johnnybangkok

I'm not really sure what your point is here. I've already cleared up the 'Sistah' bit for you in my previous post and corrected your wrong 'rainbow colours' ascertion by explaining they are Rastafarian colours NOT LGBTQ. The conspiracy theory I was refering to was when you said '...played the racist card, presumably with financial benefit'. There is non evidence any of this was, at the time, for financial benefit (although I'm sure plenty will now jump on this by saying it is now). No idea what you are going on about with your "Refuge for Men with Families" though and no idea why it's relevant to this topic.

Ok let's go with 'many' or 'the majority'. Better?

Quite a few actually. My most recent was a good friend who runs a building company in Leeds (popular topic for many on this thread). He voted Brexit to 'keep the immigrants out' not realising that many of his sub-contractors used a lot of Polish workers (stupid mistake really). He now struggles to get the work done and when it can be done, it costs him 30-40% more than before. Couple this with logistic problems in getting supplies and generally everything costing a lot more than it used to, he is really struggling to remain competative. He DEFINATELY has buyers remorse.

The topic for this thread is 'why is the UK struggling more than other countries' and therefore Brexit has to be mentioned. It's not 'moaning'; it's pointing out the obvious. In contrast, all Brexit fans just want to do is bury their heads in the sand and attempt to deny Brexit isn't a major contributory factor to the UK's current problems. This is despite all of the facts and data saying it is.

Ok Captain Chaos. Those are some 'out there' ideas for sure but not very practical. The UK has long-standing obligations to foreign aid that can't just be turned off like a tap. NATO offers the UK a better option for defence against stronger aggressors (Russia for example) than 'going it alone'. We already sell far more arms to countries than is conscionable to many and there's no way in hell the UK should be beholding to Russia and it's oil as we have seen how the likes of Germany are suffering badly from putting all their eggs in one basket. We do plenty of deals with China already and many UK exporters (particularly luxury goods and the likes of Scotch producers) count China as one of it's top 3 markets. However I've no issue with putting immigrants to work straight away (and I'm sure many of them would welcome it) but the incompetance from the Tory government means asylum applications are so far behind where they need to be to make this practicly impossible. I take it the last 3 are just for yourself so will leave it at that.

I'm not sure I would say Brexit is the 'MAIN cause for the failing economy' as obviously the debt run up during Covid and the energy price hike caused by the Ukrainian war are also major contributory factors. I would however say Brexit is a major contributory factor to the UK's woes. Of that there can be no denying (despite many posters here attempting to do just that).

I think there is no denying he is the worst but why does he still musters such massive support in the US? He is now openly courting white supremacists (as well as deranged hip hop stars), he has consistently denied the legitimacy of the 2020 elections, he instigated the storming of the capital and is currently defending no less than 19 legal actions. Now he is talking about changing the constitution for his own benefit. But none of it matters to his fan base who deflect, excuse or just simply bury their heads in the sand. So what is it that appeals to quite so many that they will deny what they see with their own eyes or hear with thier own ears in the defence of this man?

You were 'confused' enough not to know why Sistah was spelled the way it was and 'confused' enough to not know those were Rastafarian colours she was wearing. And you were certainly confused enough to think that Ngozi 'used (the) opportunity for distraction to further discord and, played the racist card, presumably with financial benefit'. That's a leap of reasoning more in line with many of the conspiracy thoeries being bandied around by other posters here. And I commented on 'flashing your credentials' as you were the one that thought it neccessary to write 'Am I racist? Think not, have had many interactions with many nationalities over the course of my scholastic years to present day. Happily married to a Thai national with partial Chinese heritage, can't call me Xenophobic.' I will 'accept' you're not racist but I do think you're confused.

So we are just descending into conspracy theories now eh? I've said my piece on this matter with facts based around the actual conversation but you guys are now going with 'publicity stunts' and even 'she was wearing a wire' (another poster I know). If you can't engage in an intelligent manner then I really don't see the point in continuing. Peace. Love. Equality. I'm out.

Be grateful.

What wire? Are you justb maki9ng stuff up now?

Stop with the straw -man nonsense. If this is your level of debate then I'm really not going to engage. An aristocrat with years of dimplomatic service and a pedigree that just shouts privelage drops herself in it and you accuse me of opposing 'old white females'. Give me a break. If you were following my point without the blinkers you usually wear then you'll see my stance is more about the job she was supposed to be doing than the racism angle you are pushing. Her words were clumsy and old-fashioned and for someone in her position completely wrong. She got found out and was right to resign (or pushed) as that's NOT how a seasoned diplomat representing the Royal Family should talk and/or behave.

I wasn't the one who wrote the words; you were. If that's what you meant then you should have chosen your words better.

At no time did she ask 'where are your ancestors from'. It was always 'no, where are YOU from?; As I have said many, many times, Lady SH may not be guilty of racism but she is certainly guilty of clumsy, undiplomatic talk that COULD be construed as racism. And for someone supposedly well versed in diplomacy, that's what's unforgiveable and why she had to go.

I'm really not going to get into a debate about Nigel Farnage being racist or not. Lets say I agree with the The Archbishop of Canterbury who said Farage was guilty of “inexcusable pandering to people’s worries and prejudices, that is giving legitimisation to racism”. The Ukip leader was “accentuating people’s fear for political gain and that is absolutely unacceptable”, he added. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/07/nigel-farage-helping-to-legitimise-racism-justin-welby-says

Are you not British? He is VERY well known in the UK for being racist and for his extreme views on this sort of thing. Plenty on here probably love him though.

Yup. That’s exactly what she is and I don’t think she’s hidden that for many years.

Yes because Nigel is well known for his balanced views on these sort of matters. It’s like asking the Pope to comment on atheism.

And if someone asked you what nationality you were and you answered them 3 times that you were British but they kept on with the “no, where are you REALLY from” angle then perhaps you might have a different view of the whole matter.

Racism and white supremacy are bed-fellows. If you don’t think Nigel Farange is either one or both then I don’t really know what to say to you.

Considering I had to educate you on it, it’s amazing how much of an expert you’ve suddenly become.

You should do. I haven’t hidden them. I lean against white nationalism and racism. You?

Oh come on! Anyone quoting Nigel Farage in a discussion about race and/or ethnicity has a leaning towards white nationalism and/or outright racism. Are you saying you don’t?

Or even more plausible, she was born and raised in Hackney. You’re losing this argument badly when you purposely avoid the obvious to try and stigmatize someone you obviously don’t like.

Well if we were at all confused about your “leanings”, that clears it up.