johnnybangkok

55 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

The only thing that is confusing me, is that you are saying it is not right. None the less you did not refuse it in school. Unfathomable! 

'Refuse it'? I'm not sure you quite understand how bullying works.

1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

I have a friend in LA in the exact same position.  He feeds me excellent pro Trump meme's that he will not post on FB, but I do.  I believe there are millions of silent Trump supporters.

Here's hoping they remain silent.

1 hour ago, Matzzon said:

No, I wasn´t ordered to do anything either. You seem to believe that it´s the right thing to get ordered to do things by other students. Whenever did that become a part of school and education? It´s only fools that do these things and people with lack of intelligence and an urge for temporary power that demands it.

Who said anything about it being the 'right thing' or 'become a part of school and education'? That's you saying that not me. 

And that must have been a lovely school you went to where no older pupils ordered younger pupils around. Those of us who went to normal schools unfortunately encountered this on a regular basis often followed by a clip round the ear or worse for non-compliance. It was called bullying. It wasn't nice; should be condemned but happened none the less. Just for clarity (since you seem to be so confused with my intentions), I'm not advocating for it.   

59 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Where have you read about any pre existing medical conditions as a ground for this death? In that case I do believe that it´s you that are drawing your own conclusions without even a little shred of evidence. With that thin skin on your feet it seems very foolish of you to criticise my post.

 

I drew the conclusion that it was hazing, due to the fact that only fresh students were ordered to run the laps around the pond and that the principal did oversee to mention that or explain it in his conclusion that it was not hazing.

So it's ok for you to draw a conclusion its hazing despite the fact it was denied by the principal but I can't draw a conclusion of a pre-existing medical condition when a 20 year old dies whilst running around a pond? My evidence is 20 year olds don't normally die when running around a pond 5 times. My evidence is none of the other students died whilst running around the pond. This poor young lady did so it's more likely (not definate of course) that's there's something else there that's particular to her and that usually (not definate of course) means a pre-existing condition.

You may be correct it was hazing (although I would still contest it's a very gentle hazing), I may be correct it's a pre-existing condition. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. 

25 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

As She was "ordered" to run, by older students , that would make it "hazing" 

What, and you were never 'ordered' to do things by older students when you were at school? It's running around a pond; not getting tied up and whacked by wooden paddles.

On 8/22/2020 at 7:04 AM, Matzzon said:

To me the two quotes above do not mix. You do not order people to warm up more than that they feel warm and ready. That´s like the pure meaning with a warm up.

 

And, then again. Above is the clear answer. No explanation needed. It´s HAZING!

Way to add 2 and 2 together to make 5. Running 5 laps around a pond for your average 20 year should not normally present too many problems and would certainly not be considering 'hazing' in most peoples books.

Please do not try and sensationalise a very tragic incident which is much more likely based on a pre-existing medical condition than anything nefarious.   

7 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

It's always been riots and lawlessness. I have yet to see a single 'lib' on this forum call it anything else. They are not 'terrorists' precisely because they are not trying to change the political status. They're looking for some trouble and a free pair of Gucci's if they can.

And since we all know that correlation does not imply causation, your attempt to blame Dems, BLM and/or Antifi for the looters would be the equivalent of blaming the NRA for school shootings. Since I doubt any gun loving GOP supporter here would try that, I think you should give up the ghost with your spurios attempts to blame anyone but a bunch of hooligans for the hooligan antics going on.  

And why we are on the subject it isn't just left-wing riots any more:-

'Right-wing groups had announced a rally near the Justice Center (Portland) Saturday afternoon that quickly drew counter demonstrators. The building houses a police precinct, police headquarters, a county jail and courtrooms and is next door to a federal courthouse that was targeted for weeks last month by left-wing protesters who clashed with federal agents dispatched to Portland to protect it.

The protesters at Saturday's demonstration included the Proud Boys right-wing group and left-wing protest groups Democratic Socialists of America and Popular Mobilization, The Oregonian/OregonLive reported'. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/smoke-fills-air-portland-police-clear-riot-precinct-72538560

Trouble is being stoked on both sides. Both should be condemned.

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Bully boy Barnier cannot seem to understand that the British waters belong to Britain and untill he does, which is highly unlikely, there can be no way to any agreement. A blind man can see that, Barnier doesn't want a deal. 

Did you read RookieScots post? You have literally said what he is parodying. 

The hubris is something to behold.

4 hours ago, Opl said:

so then it's the vote in person that needs some fixing

It’s the fact (previously stated) that over 69% of volunteers at voting stations are themselves over 60 years old and, rightly so, are probably not going to help out this year, you know, what with catching COVID and dying. 
This in turn will mean many voting stations won’t even be open and the ones that are will have horrendous lines. Thousands of people gathered together without social distancing (not to mention the idiots who won’t wear a mask) is literally the opposite of what you should be doing during this pandemic. 
So there’s that.  

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

At least try and get it right.

 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/

Trump continues to fulfill his 2015 campaign promise that he will forgo his salary. 

Not sure what point you are trying to make here. I’m not arguing he has foregone his salary. What am I not getting right?

Tick tick Donald. Tick tock 

1 hour ago, rcummings said:

The postal service actually commissioned a head-hunting agency to search for a new Postmaster General. But Dejoy wasn't among the people they recommended. In fact, during his employment hearing, he had to be helped by one of the members of the board as he repeatedly stumbled when answering questions.

Proof indeed of a political appointment. One of Trumps many. 

19 minutes ago, vermin on arrival said:

Herd immunity is a source of much debate. Some think and are arguing your point, but other virologists, immunologists and epidemiologists are on the other side. The 60-70% figure is also much debated, since a large percentage of the population has t-cell immunity (and other forms of immunity), in Sweden, researchers believe that close to 30% have t-cell immunity. Thus, the numbers may be shifted downwards a great deal, Some say the actual number needed for strong societal protection may drop down to between 20-50%

Let’s hope you are right but hopefully you can agree, without the correct numbers to know when herd immunity will become effective, a vaccine is still our best bet. 

22 minutes ago, vermin on arrival said:

Those estimates were based on the flawed models that the epidemiologists created so I wouldn't put much stock in it. One creates a poor model with crazy hyper-inflated numbers to induce fear so policy makers take some action. Action is taken, then you claim you saved people from the spurious prediction based on one's warning.

 

This is not say that the disease is a hoax and no preventive action should be taken, but it's not the disease we were led to believe. However, many credible doctors, virologist, and epidemiologists are saying that they believe the true ifr is between .1-.5%. This would mean that the disease while potentially quite bad (can be truly deadly to many people in certain age groups and with certain comorbidities, and kill some outside of those groups, and can have quite bad long term effects for people who had serious infections) would not cause that huge number of deaths. However, after inducing such fear to change behavior, it is really incredibly difficult to be able to step back from it since the people who made the claims and the politicians who followed them would all be discredited and have their careers ruined.

Ok let’s say then the numbers are inflated so what would then be a credible number? 1 million in Europe? 2-3 million worldwide? These are still big numbers. 
Im not disagreeing with what you are saying but I think it’s plain to see that lockdown has prevented enough deaths to constitute its initiation; but the long and short of it is governments the world over (especially western ones) have been utterly clueless in their reactions. 
S.Korea and Taiwan got it right; close your borders early, identify, track and quarantine. Keep your most vulnerable locked away and monitor, monitor, monitor. 
The worldwide economic effects of this disease could have been much, much less if sensible heads had governed, but I suppose that’s too much to ask of politicians, I mean they’re only there to govern after all. 

3 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Yeah not bad when transport and security runs to about a million each club trip. 

No pay, but all expenses paid,and betya he is claiming a tax deduction for the salary donation to charity.

 

But he can't donate to his own charity because that was dismantled due to fraud.

How is this man still in office?

15 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Wonderful phrase.  "tangible  acquisition of genuine knowledge".

It has never been in the interests of the Establishment to educate the aw-ee palaw-ee   (From the Greek,  i polli, the many) - the mass of the people -. The Tabloids job is to focus them on tits, bums, scandal, "scroungers", footie, wicked immigrants, etc and to worship the rich, the famous, the flag, and the dysfunctional royal family.   There is to be no questioning of the Etonians immortal right to rule, or the right of the rich to avoid taxes. The important thing is to learn to look down on and despise those neighbours who are less fortunate than you.  

 

So our education system has utterly failed us already, in that it has failed to teach our kids to see through this sick sheet. When it comes to higher education, what could be more natural for the Tories than to try and limit the number working class kids who can benefit from it.

Good insight into UK society but I'm not sure I agree with the premis that the UK education system has 'utterly failed'. Having been brought up on a comprehensive education, I think the opportunities where always there but many don't take them and/or are just too stupid to get the best out of it. 

When I was an impressionable teenager in Scotland, they had a system wherein you would do 2 years at your local secondary and then the 'cream' would be taken and put into an Academy (an English equivalent would probably be grammar schools). The academy would consists of pupils from 4 secondaries with the idea they would be more focused on the academics and others who stayed in the other secondary schools would learn at their own (slower) pace and/or do more vocational subjects (metalwork, woodwork, home economics etc). 

On the whole it worked very well and you were in an environment where academia didn't make you a 'swot' or was 'uncool' as I think this has much to do with the dumbing down of modern eductaion. The belief that ALL pupils are created equal (academically) belies the fact that all that happens is everyone gets dragged down to the lowest common denominator and anyone who shows any promise is quickly assimilated into 'education isn't cool' brigade.

We are talking 40 years now so I'm not sure how things are at present but it's no coincidence that private schools usually achieve better results as the premise is the same; those that want to be educated can be whilst those that want to p&ss around are left behind.

So less the fault of the system and more a fault of motivation.