johnnybangkok

On 11/8/2019 at 7:53 PM, ExpatOK said:

As has been explained, the impeachment process is nothing more than a coup attempt.  The lawyer for "he who cannot be named," the whistleblower, has defended his own remarks in 2017 calling it a coup.  The coup attempt actually started the minute Trump was elected and continues to this day.

 

https://www.theblaze.com/news/whistleblowers-lawyer-reiterates-coup-against-president-trump-began-the-week-he-took-office

Your posts are stupidly suspicious. Now let me think who else on this site is trying to push the “coup” story. Oh yes, that’ll be every other FoxNews loving Trump supporter on here trying to push their pearls of wisdom on us slow witted liberals.  

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Except he's not. There have been posters on this very forum that have attacked him personally, merely for being born of Trump.

That is beyond the pale.

Don't expect me to look up those quotes, as they were long ago and I don't remember the specific posters.

I have been on this forum for literally years and I have never seen a single post attacking Barron so either produce the quotes or choose another subject for your pretend moral indignation.

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That says it all.

 

On ignore.

Bye

That says what? 

You think anyone has any sympathies for Ivanka and Beavis and Butthead? Barron is a juvenile and gets a pass but the other lot have been making hay whilst the Trump sun shines and profiting massively from Daddy being POTUS. 

They are the least of my considerations when looking at the many, many criminal activities of Trump and lets not forget that Donald Trump Jr, Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump were also directors of the Trump Foundation which has now been proven to have defrauded Army Emergency Relief, Children's Aid Society, City Meals-on-Wheels, Give an Hour, Martha's Table, United Negro College Fund, United Way of Capital Area and the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.  

So yeah. They can go fiddle as well. 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Stop making stuff up. That happens all the time with you guys and you never apologise when I call you out.

I've said that Trump was the best of two bad candidates and other things along that line, but I never said I despise him. Quote me saying I despise him and I'll apologise to you on here. I won't hold my breath waiting though.

 

I don't worry too much about indiscretions. If they were criminal we'd all be in jail.

Downright criminal activity??????? Before he was president he was an ordinary citizen. Are YOU claiming that the law enforcement agencies of the USA ignored criminal activity carried out by him for some reason?

 

I don't hate Dems per se, though I do hate some people that are Democrats. No prizes for guessing who. 

 

Far as I can see, he's been held to account ever since he was elected by the opposition news media.

I fail to see why the Dems are spending so much time and treasure trying to impeach him when it's more likely than not it will be a fail in the senate. Why don't they just put their case to the public and let the public decide? Isn't that what is supposed to happen in a democracy? Vote him out with a better candidate and prosecute away after he isn't president.

Could it be, though. that the Dems leadership know in their hearts that he's a shoo in at the election, and impeachment is their only real shot?

Pity the best they can come up with is Biden and Warren.

Ok I'll give you that you may not have used the actual word 'despise' but since it was in the quote you posted, I carried it along the same vein.

What you have said though is 'I have said in the past that Trump wasn't the best candidate, and if I support him it's his policies I support. I'm a socialist, so I don't support billionaires personally. I just don't like the way all his opponents are behaving, which is not in the best interests of the USA and the world. He has done many things that are not good or in the best interests of people's not necessarily of the US......'

My point is that you are state you are not a fan of Trump (even calling yourself a socialist) yet all you seem to do is defend him and his obviously criminal actions with either an 'everyone does it, so let's not bother about him' or 'let's get on with it' when the investigation takes the necessary time it's taking to investigate.  

Again I do appreciate that you have just said (and for the first time an actual slight against Trump) 'Personally, I think Trump should stand down at this election. I think he's being selfish and doing irreparable harm to his children by allowing them to be abused by the opposition simply for being his children'  but for many of us this just doesn't go far enough, and we don't give a rats a** about how this is all effecting his equally bad offspring.

He has tried (and is still trying) to make a mockery of the US democratic process and has made, the rule of law, moral decency and being honorable a thing of the past. By not being as tough on him as you are with the Dems you by your actions and your comments are now saying these things no longer matter.

They do matter and that's why the Dems are absolutely correct in bringing impeachment proceedings to this embarrassment of a POTUS. And I also hope in future you get on-board with doing the right thing. 

11 hours ago, riclag said:

The GOP has made it clear that they aren't in agreement with sciff and the msm narrative .  sondland testimony was a 3 page extension created because he forgot to mention a previous meeting in his original closed door meeting. He never mention with certainty but a presumption. Mr. Trump has made it clear to him at the time there is to be no quid quo pro.

The mental dexterity required to keep on defending Trump in the face of overwhelming evidence is truly something to behold.

Doesn't your head hurt trying to keep all the whataboutisms, deflections and just plain conspiracy theories going?

Sondland has literally done a u-turn on what he originally said with a moment of 'remembering' to confirm it was indeed QPQ (and is now the 3rd senior individual to do so) yet that still isn't enough for you guys.

Your boys are truly something else. 

57 minutes ago, riclag said:

The drive to delitgitimize and impeach my President has reached its goal! It started 19 minutes after...

Jan 20, 2017 - The campaign to impeach President Trump has begun ... (Claritza Jimenez/The Washington Post) ... The impeachment drive comes as Democrats and liberal activists are mounting broad opposition to stymie Trump's agenda.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/20/the-campaign-to-impeach-president-trump-has-begun/

 

Sadly, In my opinion,it is with great consequences ! The office of the POTUS,commander and chief, the most powerful leader of the world which has lasted for more than two centuries has now been what seems like pummeled by forces from within my country and more than likely subjected to  more intrusion by opposing political parties in the future. 

 

 There is one last hope however!  The founder Alexander Hamilton had vision to see this coming when the founding fathers designed the Constitution and debated impeachment ,they had insight to realize political parties   cunning ,hostility and abusive powers can not be trusted with the peoples house.

 

"Where else than in the Senate could have been found a tribunal sufficiently dignified, or sufficiently independent? What other body would be likely to feel CONFIDENCE ENOUGH IN ITS OWN SITUATION, to preserve, unawed and uninfluenced, the necessary impartiality between an INDIVIDUAL accused, and the REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE, HIS ACCUSERS"?

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed65.asp

 

 

 

'The drive to delegitimize and impeach' YOUR President started when YOUR President decided it was a good idea to ask a foreign nation for a 'favour' to investigate a political opponent, therefore committing a Campaign Finance Violation, an impeachable offence.  

I promised months ago when all the Trump fans were extolling Trumps virtues over N. Korea that if the talks amounted to anything I would come on Thai Visa and publicly apologise.

My public humiliation seems to be further away than ever.

N.K. is a (well documented) master at this and is schooling Trump. Nothing will happen apart from more concessions and more hot air. 

I see the usual Trump apologists are out in force today, deflecting as best they can whilst questioning every aspect of a legitimate legal process. It never fails to amaze me that you guys are just so willing to let go of the rule of law and moral decency for a bump in your share price and a promise to get rid of them thar illegals.

Fortunately there are still enough people out there with a some semblance of morality who will not allow this stain on the office of POTUS to get away with his nonsense any more and though a bunch of spineless Senators will in all probability save their own skin rather than do the right thing, this is not going to go away easily or quickly and will at least show sane people what they have known all along; this racist, misogynistic, neurotic, petty, vindictive excuse for a human being is also a criminal, hell bent on turning America into his own private dictatorship.

20 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Look, I've said it many times here:  People who support Trump fully understand that Trump has his flaws.  Who doesn't?  You do.  I do.  Everyone does.  There is no such thing as a "perfect" individual.  It's a fact of life that you have to take the chaff with the grain.  So, in the areas that are most important to me and, I assume, others Trump has some excellent character traits.  Those worthy traits are what we focus on.

 

Hate, if allowed to run rampant, can consume an individual.  For he will be unable to see anything good within another whom his hate has targeted.  He will become biased and his bias will colour even innocent actions as nefarious.  And not only will he not see anything worthy in an individual he will also actively seek to find more about the individual that further fuels his hatred.  It becomes an endless loop.

 

A lot of, but not all, liberals are stuck in that endless loop.  And try as one may you just can't get them out of it.  Mostly because they don't want to get out of it.

 

'Those worthy traits are what we focus on'.

Jeffrey Dahmer was supposed to be nice to his mother; Tedd Bundy was by all accounts a devoted husband and doting father; Charles Manson supposedly loved his aunt and uncle and would do anything for them.

Although all of these are 'excellent character traits', one cannot conveniently ignore all the other, less 'excellent' character traits in favor of cherry picking the few. These are/were some serious deranged people who's flaws vastly outweigh any redeeming qualities they may have had.

Equally Trump has demonstrated being racist, misogynistic, petty, fragile and neurotic, he has alienated allies whilst courting tyrants, he has polarized a nation like no-one else before him. To simply ignore these immense character flaws to focus on his 'worthy traits' is myopic and ultimately selfish and leads to accusations usually leveled at members of a cult. 

We don't hate Trump; we fear Trump. We fear what he has already done and fear what he is capable of doing. We fear the power he wields and the consequences it has for the world. We fear he has let the genie out of the bottle and there is just no way it's going back in, but mostly we fear that common sense, the rule of law and moral decency are now a thing of the past, just because so many of you by your actions and your comments are now saying these things no longer matter. They do and if it requires an 'endless loop' to re-establish these things, then so be it.

2 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

 people like us who paid in for years (44 in my case) get their pension frozen on the day we get it and our dependants benifit stopped in april next year ,making us even poorer . yet illegal immigrants ,get housed fed and a cash payment ,then fight for years at out expense not to get sent back where they came from ,to all the do gooders ,is that fair? what a silly question isnt it?

by the way ,they should not have died ,rip.

And you blame immigrants for all this rather than a Tory government who has inflicted austerity on the UK for the past 10 years? 

They managed to find the money to bail out the banks but can't seem to find any money to help pensioners and other dependents? 

You're falling for the oldest trick in the book; blame the immigrants for all your problems rather than the actual people who created your problem.

Trump is so dumb he is going to get impeached over a very well known and debunked conspiracy theory conjured up by Peter Schweizer, a longtime associate of Steve Bannon. 

Have a read and watch of this as it explains that the story was completely invented to discredit Biden, but Trump is so dumb and desperate that he actually believed it all. If we are being kind, we could say he at least wanted to fan the flames but I reckon he's just that dumb.

Anyway, it all wonderfully backfired and is what's going to get him impeached. Enjoy!

https://theweek.com/speedreads/874015/samantha-bee-runs-down-man-who-created-bidenukraine-conspiracy-theory

14 minutes ago, overherebc said:

I will probably get slagged for this.

If the reports are genuine and they are chinese then if that's confirmed, repatriate the bodies to China and let China deal with it from there. No need to spend a fortune of UK money to determine any more than the exact cause of death in each case. No need for a long long court case, to determine why the poor bas--rds died. Continue the investigation on the smuggling ring with EU authorities to find and punish the guilty.

Not keen on following standard UK criminal law then? You can't just fob off 39 dead bodies to the EU without first determining it's a solely EU problem and having a full investigation. Since they were all found dead in the UK, it becomes the UK's responsibility and can only be handed off once it doesn't. If it was 39 dead Brits found in China, would you be glad that China didn't investigate because, you know it costs a few quid?

12 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

This is no longer a criminal trial or a political one....it's a battle in the court of public opinion.

The public is seeing how the Dems are behaving like gangsters with their secret tribunals.

Scalise reported that when he entered he had to turn on the lights (wth!)...then Schiff jumped up

and ran off with the witness.....how utterly shady. What are they doing in there? They could be just sitting

in there, eating pizza and making up stuff to leak.

 

Im just waiting for it to be revealed that the whistleblower is Ambassador Taylor....which would mean

he's colluded with Schiff to bring another baseless charge.

 

Go Dems!

 

 

Where to start.

'Scalise reported that when he entered he had to turn on the lights' - REALLY? They were all sitting there in the dark then were they?

'Schiff jumped up and ran off with the witness' - he may well have done but so would I if my PRIVATE meeting was suddenly descended upon by 24 foaming at the mouth idiots.

'The public is seeing how the Dems are behaving like gangsters with their secret tribunals' - firstly it's not secret, the whole world knows it's going on but if you mean behind closed doors and are inferring some sort of Dem conspiracy then that might ring true if it wasn't for the 47 Republican lawmakers from three House committees — Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight — who have been allowed to attend and participate in all of the depositions of the eight diplomats and government officials brought in to testify so far (https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-23/impeachment-deposition-room-stormed-by-republicans).

The only thing I'll give you amidst the complete and utter nonsense you have been sprouting throughout this thread is that yes, it will be a 'battle in the court of public opinion' which is why it is important to have a thorough and conclusive investigation that clearly shows Trump's criminality which will then provide the gutless GOP Senators a real dilemma when the public opinion forces them to act.

11 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Not pleased at all,just saying this illegal immigration fiasco is reaching epic proportions which this country simply cannot afford,and must be addressed,let's get out own house in order before we keep acting as we,'re a world power.

You have been educated about what this is about (slave trade rather than 'normal' illegals) yet because it is not feeding into your echo chamber you are constantly trying to change the narrative. However lets address where you are trying to steer this.

Like most countries in the world the UK has it's fair share of illegal immigration but it is by no means the worst (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics#Main_countries_of_destination:_Germany.2C_France_and_Greece)

and importantly has as strict a control on these things as it can possibly have. Just reaching the UK is the main hurdle as being an island nation it's a great deal easier to get to Italy and Spain (if you're coming from Africa) or Germany and the Nordic states (if your are coming from Afghanistan, Syria etc). This notion that we are 'reaching epic proportions' is not born out by facts which state- 

'The number of asylum applications to the UK peaked in 2002 at 84,132. After that the number fell sharply to reach a twenty year low point of 17,916 in 2010, before rising again to reach 32,733 in 2015. The number fell in 2018, to 29,380'.  https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN01403

But we know this doesn't feed into your narrative so I'm not hopeful that actual facts and figures will sway your opinion.