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32 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Boris should have stuck to his original idea of achieving herd immunity by following the lead of countries like Sweden.

 

Instead he allowed himself to be panicked into trying to "flatten the curve" prematurely - a strategy will extend the life cycle of the pandemic, with predictably catastrophic results for the economy and the lives of UK citizens.

 

Unless, the virus miraculously peters out completely before the schools reopen, Brits can look forward to suffering a second wave of sickness and deaths, along with a spiralling economy and further inroads into civil rights.

 

 

If any of the 250,000 people predicted to die through the herd immunity option was either yourself or a close relative, I wonder whether you would still think it was such a good idea.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196234/covid-19-imperial-researchers-model-likely-impact/

......the resulting epidemic would still likely result in an estimated 250,000 deaths and therefore overwhelm the health system (most notably intensive care units).  

I find it absolutely amazing how many Trump fans are trying desperately to deflect responsibility for the US's current situation when it is so obviously entirely Trumps fault. Don't believe me? Well here is the timeline and FACTS:-

Dec. 31: China confirms existence of a new virus.

Jan. 20: World Health Organization reports cases in China, Thailand, Japan, and South Korea.

Jan. 21: The first U.S. case is announced in Washington state (as well as Vietnam and Singapore). WHO says the virus risk globally is high.

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In the crucial period between Jan 30th (when WHO declared a global health emergency and his own people warned of millions of lives lost) and March 13th when he finally declares a national emergency, Trump ignored it, denied it, minimised it, joked about it, politicised it (calling it a Democratic hoax), spread false information, backed false cures and generally flew in the face of all scientific and W.H.O. advice.

But yeah, it's the WHO's fault.

SOURCE:- https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/we-have-it-totally-under-control-a-timeline-of-president-donald-trumps-response-to-the-coronavirus-pandemic/ Poynter Institute for Media Studies is a non-profit journalism school and research organization located in St. Petersburg, Florida. 

Deflectors on full Captain Trump?

11 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

Wow! Good post. You managed to get everything wrong. Well done.

Please enlighten me to how I got 'everything wrong'? He is on camera ignoring it, denying it, minimising it, joking about it and politicised it.

Or are the cameras themselves part of the fake news now?

With plenty of warning and ample time to impliment life saving measures, Trump ignored it, denied it, minimised it, joked about it, politicised it (calling it a Democratic hoax), spread false information, backed false cures and generally flew in the face of all scientific and W.H.O. advice.

These deaths (and the many, many more that will happen) are firmly on him and only his cult followers (who I'm sure will be along shortly) will deny this truth.    

3 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

This is good news for a change. 

Perhaps the infamous Nattering Nabobs of Negativism will shut up for a few days? 

 

Not until the Simpering Sycophants of Servility do the same 

2 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

You need to watch less CNN and stop reading WAPO and NYT.  IMO your 'truth' are a load of fake news.  But lets leave politics out of this. The People will decide in November - and I will accept that decision, because there is no right or wrong in political elections - it is what the People decide.  If they decide Trump then that is their decision. If they decide Biden then that is their decision. That is how an election works - the People decide who they want to be POTUS.

Thanks for that Captain Obvious

1 hour ago, Sydebolle said:

I'm not Trump's friend but the gentleman is right, it is correctly labelled the "Chinese Virus". Nobody has the guts to call it by its name but H1N1, H5N1 and SARS, together with the Corona/Covid-19 virus all came from ......... China.

Turning into a political correctness discussion is as stupid as the question by the responsible reporter. It originated in China!

What else should it be called, the non-American-across-the-Pacific-originating-virus-not-from-Japan-the Koreas-but-North/Northeast-from-the Socialist Republic of Vietnam? 

Total nonsense, time wasting and irrelevant to the fight against the pandemic! 

 

By your own logical fallacy I'll help you re-name a few other diseases:-

Argentinian foot and mouth

Mexican Swine Flu

French Syphilis

German Gonorrhea

West African Aids

Indian small pox

In could go on but I think you get the point. Stigmatising a country for being unfortunate enough to originate a major disease only adds to xenaphobia and provides no constructive narrative on how to combat it. But hey, when has being nice to foreigners been high on Trumps agenda.

2 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

So true.

They will still continue with the anti-Trump stories and distortions - which the 'coverted' all lap up and believe, and then put forward as 'facts' on forums like this.

I wonder if any of them on this forum realise that in 2009 under Obama the Swine Flu (H1N1) in USA infected 60.8 million people, put 274,000 under hospitalizations, and caused 12,469 deaths.  I wonder if any of them (not the millenials/antifa in Mum's basement) remeber back then, because if they do then they will realise (maybe) that there was no worldwide panic/closure/economic collapse - and no media outrage against Obama for not stopping it quicker etc etc etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States

So far the Trump Admin is doing a much better job than Obama's ever did.

But, but Obama!!!!

The simple truth is Trump has had more than enough time to put measures in place to mitigate this pandemic. His own administration declared a public health emergency back in January but it took Trump until the 13th of March before he declared a national emergency. Even now there is mass confusion as matters that should be mandated at a national level are still left to individual states, creating lots of different scenarios where only 9 states have ordered residence to stay at home and only 31 states have finacial recompense in place. This is of course now growing but it's surely a case of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Initially Trump brushed it all off with a it's 'just the flu' and basically called fears of the virus 'a hoax'. He has constantly undermined his own experts (and WHO advice) and has personally exposed others when he himself could have had the virus. He takes no personal responsibility for closing down the pandemic office or for the lack of testing available. He even lied about a new Google app. that said it would show all Covid-19 outbreaks.

His party is now trying to push a $2 trillion stimulas package wherein $500 billion is for 'discretionary spending' where they don't even have to say where the money is going. Fortunately the Dems are all over this and refusing to let it pass but in turn are being branded un-American for blocking what is obviously a slush fund for him and his cronies. 

His gross mishandling of this crisis will result in more deaths than is absolutley neccessary and this clown of a president just keeps adding fuel to an already blazing fire. He should resign for his serious mishandling of this, but with such a sychophantic following who feels he can do no wrong and defend him at every turn (especially on this forum), this is highly unlikely. 

The only hope now is the American people do not forget his incompetance come November and get rid of this stain on American democracy once and for all. 

5 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

And we know why it's stalled too, don't we? 

The Democrats consider their pet pork projects more important than the health of the citizens and the economy. 

You've never been a big fan of facts Boon and your obsessive devotion to all things Trump regularly clouds your judgement but even you must see that keeping aside $500 billion to 'do with as they please with no oversight' is never going to wash with the Dems. And as for the other $1.5 trillion, most big business have been using recent profits for stock buy-back options (which only helps their top executives) leaving very little for a rainy day (and it's absolutely pouring now). Why should these greedy, self obsessed con men with no eye on future troubles (isn't that their job) now benefit from ordinary peoples taxes?

Well done to the Dems for putting up a fight and shame again to the GOP for trying to portray these people as un-American when the reality is they are trying to do more for the average American than any GOP member ever has or ever will.    

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

as my good friend Yinn would say: pfftt.

 

Have a great day! Im heading to the pool shortly myself, nothing beats a lazy day at home. I wont be reading your posts anymore.

Looks like you'll be adding an awful lot more people to your 'do not read list' as none of your sycophantic fawning over Trump is going to belie the fact that Trump has handled this badly. VERY badly.

From brushing it off as 'just the flu' to constantly undermining his own experts, to exposing others when he himself could have had the virus (refusing to be tested, shaking LOTS of hands and eventually being tested) to taking no responsibility for closing down the pandemic office or for the lack of testing shortage. Even even lied about a new Google app. and basically called fears of the virus 'a hoax'.

All of this has led experts to openly criticise him with Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, calling it “deeply disturbing,” adding that it’s “left the country far less prepared than it needs to be for what is a very substantial challenge ahead.”

If he had got fully behind his own administration when they announced a public health emergency way back in Janaury, many of the forthcoming deaths could have been prevented. The guy's a clown and should resign for his serious mishandling of the ensuing crisis.

P.S. Feel free to add me to the 'do not read' list. 

Infectious disease experts and multiple international and domestic human and animal health organizations agree there is no evidence at this point to indicate that pets become ill with COVID-19 or that they spread it to other animals, including people.

https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/animal-health-and-welfare/covid-19

On 3/1/2020 at 11:28 AM, JHolmesJr said:

 

He's handled it exceptionally....even pre-emptively I might add.....without his wall and "racist" travel restrictions,

think of how many infected could have slunk in and melted into society...the only thing I find tragic in what I've learned

is the scarcity of testing options....and that people have to shell out US$1600 for a test...that is kinda crazy.

 

When he was setting travel restrictions in place guys like Chuck Schumer were tweeting about how racist his actions were and how checks and balances were needed...now these swamp dudes are deleting those tweets.

 

Another dishonest reporter raised questions that his admin was muzzling dr Anthony faucci....moments

later Faucci said he hasn't been muzzled...ever. So yeahhh...we see what's going on here.....bye.

 

 

Really? Do you deny that Trump actually tweeted this:-

'So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that.'

Here's why that sort of statement is particularly dangerous.

The CDC says between 10 million and 45 million Americans get the flu each year. 37,000 would be a death rate no higher than 0.37%. 22 deaths in 546 confirmed cases? That's a 4% death rate. If 10 million people got the coronavirus, it would mean 400,000 deaths.

It's this sort of willful ignorance and misinformation that is getting to everyone. In one of your previous posts you asked which other head of state was handling it better. The answer? Every other single one, from the Italians literally locking down the whole country to the Chinese building hospitals in a matter of days and quaranteeing whole cities, to this UK where money and resources are being poured into the NHS. But importantly, what none of them are doing is playing down the possible effects of the virus.

No one is saying this is not a hard one to handle but playing down likely outcomes and calling everything 'fake news' is the very worst anyone can do. And that's exactly what Trump is doing. 

In light of being booed at The World Series, Trumps PR team have also been looking for other events that are likely to get him as positive a reception as Daytona did. On his schedule is:-

The 15th Annual Redneck Games, Georgia

The KKK Easter Bunny Hunt, Tennessee

The Great Wall Street Jumble Sale, New York

Evangelical 'Lord is Everything' Conference, Florida

Activists Against Abortion Annual Jamboree, Ohio

Davos, Switzerland

The AVN Adult Entertainment Expo, Las Vegas

4 hours ago, Ricohoc said:

The investigation was in the hands of the Democrat-majority House.  By placing an arbitrary time limit on their investigation to rush it through, the Democrats failed to call all the witnesses (Republicans were denied witnesses), subpoena all the documents (Republicans were denied subpoenas), and go through the courts to get all of their supposed "evidence" if executive privilege was claimed. 

 

Democrats were more interested in fabricating charges (which they did) and getting the ball rolling than being complete and thorough.  Now they want the Senate to continue their sham with selective "witnesses" and documents.  Drag it out as long as possible up to the election -- and even beyond.

 

Having a stable full of weak candidates has caused Democrats to have to GET TRUMP BECAUSE TRUMP.  The effort is all focused on damaging Trump as much as possible before the election.  

 

As for Schiff himself, he's probably the most intellectually dishonest politician that I've ever witnessed.  Nadler, the walking septic tank, is too stupid to get out of the way.

I wasn't exactly sure how extremely wrong someone could ever get in a single post but you my friend have now set the standard.

At the time of the initial investigation, the Democrats tried to subpeona John Eisenberg, legal adviser to the National Security Council, his deputy, Michael Ellis, Robert Blair, a top aide to acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, Mick Mulvaney himself and Brian McCormack, an aide at the White House Office of Management and Budget. All on the instruction of the Whitehouse refused congressional subpoenas to appear at the hearings. This is even before we get to the likes of Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, John R. Bolton; his personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani; and Mike Pompeo who could have all supplied key facts to the case. Documents were refused. Key facts ignored. 

There was no 'fabricating of charges', Trump absolutely abused his presidential power for his own political gain and by his actions above, obstructed congress by refusing to co-operate with the congressional inquiry. These are undeniable.

The also don't just '....want the Senate to continue their sham with selective "witnesses" and documents', they just want the relevant wirtnesses and relevant documents to be preasented to ensure a fair Senate trial. This is of course is being refused by the GOP, literally making a mockery of 100's of years of US legal precident.   

Whether you believe or don't believe Trump is guilty of what he is accused of the more important battle going on now is how this will shape the US for decades to come. Does one man/party have the power and the ability to ignore congress, defy the Constitution and sidestep institutional norms that have been the backbone of US law for 100's of years just because it doesn't suit them to follow the law and their man is guilty as sin? 

Trump has done all of this to himself and it now is about how much damage the most toxic POTUS in living memory can do to the very foundations of US democracy. 

There is absolutely no logical or scientific reason to think that the death penalty acts in any way as a deterant. At best it it acts as a money saving device so society doesn't have to pay for a lifetime of imprisonment but even then, appeal after appeal usual means a significant amount of time still spent in prison at taxpayers expense.

There's also the sticky issue of people being found innocent after being initially found guilty (advances in DNA profiling has proven many, many previous guilty people innocent). You can't free a dead person.

Since the death penalty is nothing more than public backed revenge, personally I think that 'life means life' is a much better option. A lifetime of incarceration has got to be worse than a quick painless death and obviously there is still a chance of exoneration if the evidence shows up.

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

You bet they will!! This will be the MAGA landslide of all landslides. And let's hope for an end to all these ridiculous hoaxes from the democrats in the next term.

I find it quite amazing how many Trump supporters can predict the future with such certainty. Are you all from the future?

31 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Did you not pay attention the last election campaign? The voters know exactly who and what he is. IF the Dems had a candidate worth voting for, Trump would be just a page in history. IF the GOP had a candidate worth voting for, Trump wouldn't even make the short list of candidates.

If Americans want to know why it has come to this, they need only look in the mirror.

 

The "truth"- thou jest, assuredly. The one thing missing from this charade all along has been truth, IMO. It's become the worst sort of politics, IMO.

Whether or not one supports Trump, he was right when he described Washington as a swamp, IMO. They need a voter tsunami to wash away the entire city and start again with all independents, IMO. Short of that, they need The Christ to come down to Earth and cast the lot of them, politicians and bureaucrats, out on their ears.

I thought our lot of politicians were bad, but they are babes in the wood in comparison to American politicians in Washington, IMO.

You are allowed your own opinion; however you are not allowed your own facts.

You talk about the 'truth' and 'this charade' without focusing on the fact that Trump tried to strong arm a foreign power to investigate a political opponent...and then tried to cover it up. The impeachment committe issued 71 subpoenas and requests for information regarding the accusation. In response the Trump administration produced nothing...not a single piece of paper and stopped key witnesses from appearing at the hearings. A recently revealed email from Michael Duffy (sent roughly 90 minutes after the teleohone call) clearly shows this cover up with the words 'Based on guidance I have received and in light of the Administrations plan to review assistance to Ukraine...please hold off on any additional DoD obligations of these funds". he then goes on to say "Given the sensitive nature of the request, I appreciate you keeping that informnation closely held'.

The only 'charade' being seen is an administration openly defying congress with obstruction after obstruction and a GOP dominated Senate openly saying they will not do the job they have been hired to do and will aquit Trump NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE SAYS.

This should all be indefensible so I find it incredible that so many on this forum obfuscate so much with 'The voters know exactly who and what he is' as if this gives him carte blanche to trample all over the constitution and commit soooooooo many morally, ethically and illegally dubious acts.

A line needs to be drawn before that line becomes so faint it becomes invisible.