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1 hour ago, TPI said:

Then why did Joe say what he said in the interview?

Because he had nothing to hide as it was US policy at the time to get rid of the corrupt prosecutor (along with the EU, the IMF and other parties) before $1 billion of aid was given.

The prosecutor was not investigating Bidens son and a further investigation after the prosecutor was sacked revealed no issues with the company Bidens son was a director of. 

What don't you guys get about this?

42 minutes ago, JMSIII said:

Don't forget before the Senate can even start impeachment, the House has to vote with a majority for an impeachment inquiry.   Pelosi has the majority of the house, but has been refusing to put it up for an official roll call vote.

 

Public opinion is very much against impeachment.

 

In the 72 hours after Pelosi's announcement, Trump pulled in $14 million dollars in small donations.

 

The was no quid pro quo in Trumps released transcripts.  The only quid pro quo was Joe Biden bragging about withholding 1 billion dollars if the prosecutor that was investigating his son Hunter, was not fired.  I posted the video of Biden bragging but it was removed...

 

This is more political grandstanding and perpetrating the hoax against Trump.  Just all a bunch of hot air ignoring the actual facts and actual evidence...

 

Corrupt Chuck Schumer say it all.  This is what got JFK assassinated:

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/schumer-trump-being-really-dumb-to-fight-with-intel-agencies-847022147815

Lets put this 'quid pro quo' nonsense to bed straight away with a very simple scenario.

A guy comes up to you in the street and sticks a gun in your face and yells 'give me your money!' Now are you uncertain about what is happening because he didn't say 'Give me your money, this is a robbery?' Of course not. You know explicitly what is happening because your brain is wired for nuances. Therefore when the POTUS asks for 'a favour' with the exact words 'There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.' we are left under no illusion what is being asked for and that it is an attempt to get dirt on a political opponent on the back of a huge financial inducement.

It is a crime in the US to ask a foreign entity to assist in any capacity in a US election.

I'm not sure how much clearer it can get.  

10 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Whistleblower qualifications weakened surreptitiously a month before.  No longer do they require a fist hand witness.  Now, anyone can say they heard something from someone—without any proof.  That’s a travesty of justice—and quite suspicious with the timing of the change. 

You have transcripts literally spelling out the conversation yet you want to shoot the messenger?  

27 minutes ago, evadgib said:

None of which explains the 20 years or current timing.

I'm having none of it.

20 years ago no one cared about Boris. 20 years later he is now the PM and under the media spotlight.

What don't you get?

7 hours ago, sanemax said:

Thats not too bad is it, thats the type of thing that everyone gets up to in their younger single years 

No. No they don't.

Perhaps in your Benny Hill inspired world this was the norm but not in a business setting where he's an MP and she's a journalist and very importantly SHE'S NOT WANTING OR ENCOURAGING HIS ADVANCES.

I know this is difficult for you old timers but consent is an important part of all of these things.  

8 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

Thank god for the back benchers and ERG, who saved us from the treacherous PM and her cabal of Remainers.
Next job is to defy the Remainer infiltrated courts.
Go Boris!

 

Do you really think this kind of rhetoric furthers your cause? 'Treacherous?', 'cabal of Remainers'?, 'Remainer infiltrated courts?' and I've heard you talk about 'traitors' when referring to those that don't agree with your hard-core Brexit views.

If there is to be any common ground found between the Remain and the Leave camp then this kind of jingoistic nonsense has to stop.

Can we start with you?

It seems for many Trump fans denial is not just a river in Egypt.

5 hours ago, JamesBlond said:

The leave vote is all about immigration, in case you were not aware. I dare say there are some leavers who declare more euphemistic reasons due to the PC terreur afflicting the nation, but cultural identity is the root of the matter.

If you want to characterise that as racist you will have to admit:

a) that you have no preference for your own culture

b) that you think economic migrants should be welcomed into the UK at the same rate as in recent decades.

Kindly address those points. If you cannot/will not do so, then you are just as 'racist' as I am.

 

Well I'll at least give you full marks for being honest; something that other Brexit fans seem to struggle with. Brexit was and still is about immigration but I'll show you the difference answering your questions:-

a) that you have no preference for your own culture - that's correct I don't as I believe my 'culture' is made better by the inclusion of others. Their culture can enhance our culture and if for any reason it doesn't, the UK has enough rule of law to see them off.

b) that you think economic migrants should be welcomed into the UK at the same rate as in recent decades. - believe it or not, Remainers don't believe in this open border policy you Brexiteers are so desperate to thrust upon us. The UK has some of the most stringent immigration laws around and has maintained control of it's borders at all times (despite again the demonising of Brexiteers). You have tried desperately to tie EU migration to other forms of migration when they are two very different things. Illegal immigration is just that; illegal so it's doesn't matter what you and I think, the rule of law governs this matter. However I do believe there is far more humanitarian immigration than economic immigration and if someone was just an economic immigrant they would be hard pressed to survive here as they are undocumented. Ever tried to sign on without a social security number? No because it doesn't happen.

Anyway, I'm pleased your have shown your true colours because obviously there is no economic, social or sovereignty issue that many of you try and hide behind. It WAS about immigration and racism which is again why we will be here to thwart you at every turn.  

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well sorry to be so slow, I'm sure! I'm bored with seeing this racist comment oozing into the Brexit and any other threads but I rarely comment on stuff like this, which was off topic and which I didn't like.  

 

No comment does not necessarily mean approval. 

Ahhh Nauseus.

You and your 'Brexit isn't about racism for the majority who voted Leave' when literally every single time a debate on Brexit comes on TVF,  ALL your fellow Brexiteers massively undermine your point by being racist as <deleted>.

Now that's got to be a bit embarrassing. Even for you.

2 hours ago, transam said:

I bet you weren't a fighter pilot in 1940.....????

And I guarantee you weren't either.

Usual xenophobic, irrelevant WW2 referenced nonsense that we have come to expect of you. 

So to the many, many Brexit fans on this site and the 17.4 Million who voted leave and want their vote respected, the truth you don't want to admit is that your vote HAS been respected for the last three years.

For three years the UK government has been trying desperately to respect your vote. They have tried to find a way to leave the EU without irrevocably damaging the country. They have tried to limit the damage (and also promote the opportunities by the way) that leaving the EU will bring. It's been a Herculean task. The fallout from respecting your decision has weakened the UK economy and made parliament the laughing stock of the world. By respecting your decision and working on Brexit the many other important issues facing the UK -those of Education, Health and Social Welfare - have been neglected. You're decision has been respected for long enough and already it has made the UK a worse place. God knows how bad things will get if a no-deal Brexit is the outcome.

You wanted a unicorn when unicorns don't exist.

You've advocated bypassing parliamentary democracy because of a referendum. 

You label everyone a 'traitor' who doesn't agree with you.

You bring no concrete ideas to the table other than 'Leave means Leave' and a no-deal Brexit was what everyone knew was going to be an option (it wasn't). 

It's time to STOP and get our country back on track and if that means another referendum when everyone is now aware of the facts, then surely that is a small price to pay.

So here it is. 

Facts and figures continually refute many of the Brexit argument. Whether it happens to be EU nationals putting a strain on resources or the Uk losing its sovereignty. We have proven in this thread and many other threads this just isn’t the case. Polish people taking your job? Just not true (but if it affects you personally then, yeah we get it). The EU making laws that negate UK law? Again just not true. 

The point all you Brexit lot miss is what kind of message are you sending out to future generations. Is that we cannot assimilate others into our society? Is it that we are divided by our differences rather than united by our common goals? Is that the color of your skin or your religious preferences dictate how you are as an individual? That the small minority of individuals taking advantage have a louder voice than those who are genuinely trying their best to make a better future for themselves and their family. 

You are on the wrong side of history with your myopic, self centered idea of how the world should progress. Brexit divides it doesn’t unite. It says that I’m happier going back in history rather than embrace a more optimistic future. 

This is why we don’t like what you are doing. This is why we will fight as long as it takes. 

12 hours ago, yogi100 said:

Shelter, the organisation claim that there were more than 250,000 homeless people in the UK in 2016.

 

Crisis another organisation said that in 2018 there were 200,000 people living in bed and breakfast hostels in the UK.

 

As I said before there are 8.6 million economically inactive people of working age in the UK. The can't all apart from the approx 1.5 million unemployed be sick or caring for those that are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This has nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with Tory austerity.

You keep doing this time and time again; blaming the EU for what are obviously the problems of the government at the time. and/or the consequences of Tory austerity. Please educate yourself. I'll start you off.

https://www-cdn.oxfam.org/s3fs-public/file_attachments/cs-true-cost-austerity-inequality-uk-120913-en_0.pdf