AlexRich

I think the US, Europe and Australasian countries should pass a reciprocal rights bill, that applies to all foreign visitors. So a Thai visitor would be denied healthcare until all indigenous citizens had been served, be told to report every month to immigration, and pay 5 times more to enter zoos, theme parks and national parks. 
 

it’s only fair.

It’s unbelievable that a news report should link a previous suicide in a house to a murder by stabbing, as somehow being a factor in explaining the stabbing.

A drunk idiot stabbed a woman out of jealousy ... the fact that something gruesome happened in the house at some time in the past is irrelevant. Will the drunk idiot’s defence be that he was forced into it against his will by dark forces connected to the house?
 

This is Thailand indeed!

2 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

People are getting mesmerized by the statistics and the pseudo-science, not realizing everything is op-Ed in disguise.  I got nothing against op-Ed so long as the op-Ed is transparently so. But it's not, whether it comes from the BBC, CNN, Fox, or TVF. It's all propaganda and selection bias.

 

Keep slinging your dubious statistics back and forth and see where that gets you. The fact is, you know nothing whatsoever about Covid, what's best for Thailand, let alone your own abandoned country. Keep quibbling, like the notorious geezers that you are, just to cement TVF's reputation as a forum where disaffected and financially privileged malcontents go to feel like they are still relevant.

Great post from a ... disaffected financially privileged malcontent. 

6 hours ago, covidiot said:

You are missing an important point. 

Even the mainstream media is contradicting itself and sending out conflicting messages.

Where I am in farang-land, the head honcho came on and said the vaccine is safe. And just today another article was published in a mainstream media outlet that someone died from taking the astrazeneca.

In the past, maybe only lunatic fringe sites or people on social media were saying negative things about vaccines. Now the mainstream media is more than happy to report deaths or alleged deaths from vaccines while simultaneously assuring people that they are safe.

The information out there is schizophrenic just from one side. You don't even need opposing sides to be confused.

Even people who in the past never paid attention to the lunatic fringe are to some extent afraid of the vaccine because the mainstream media is reporting deaths from it. 

But people are not sure if they should be more afraid of covid or the vaccine.

Don't blame the lunatic fringe. The media is more than happy to inject doubt. 

 

Here is another example. Elon Musk tweeted "the corona panic is dumb".

Elon Musk is hardly a lunatic fringe. He is actually part of the elites. You don't find that odd that someone of that prominence is tweeting stuff like that? Not saying he's right. Just saying the whole situation is schizophrenic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People have a hard time understanding risk and probabilities. A guy died who received the AstraZeneca vaccine, it was reported in the Daily Mail. We don’t know what he died of? Millions of people in the UK received the AZN vaccine. Some people subsequently died. Amongst the millions of people who have not yet taken a vaccine some have died. The probability of dying after receiving the AZN vaccine is not higher than the probability of dying if you remain unvaccinated. I’ll take the AZN vaccine at the first opportunity.

23 minutes ago, covidiot said:

... or maybe for the ultimate benefit of the world ... keep the little man down temporarily ... but eventually to elevate the little man .... 

notwithstanding that in the short term people's lives are negatively affected. 

but also, SOME things which people view as NEGATIVE are only a matter of perception.

Mick Jagger in his recent song "easy sleazy" sings "soon we'll escape from these prison walls". But actually there is some benefit to having down time and being at home and working less. ie you can be more introspective. I don't view myself as being in prison because of curfews. Who cares if you can't go to bars for a while? Let's face it ... aren't we all wasting too much time in bars anyway?

 

Now to continue along the philosophical lines ... and I know the message with be lost on a lot of you here, there are MASSIVE clues about the shutdown in the song by Neil Young and Crazy Horse affectionately entitled "Shut it Down".

Have to shut the whole system down
That's the only way we can all be free
Have to shut the whole system down
Start again and build it for eternity

 

Songs are fine, but you really get better information on deep state intentions from the patterns of clouds. 
 

Funny how one post newbies look suspiciously like previous posters?

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Ahhh the undisputable logic of the Covid sceptic.

So you walk into a hospital in Surrey, but because there's no patients in the corridor and doctors running frantically around shouting 'stat!, stat!' your immediate thought is it's all 'poppycock' and 'what's all the fuss'. 

There's not a thought in your head along the lines of 'thank god the nearly year long lock-down, social distancing and hard work of our NHS has kept this horrible pandemic under control and not overwhelmed our systems'. No, your anecdotal evidence is enough for you to conclusively believe it's all been exagerated and some big conspiracy to keep the little man down and everyone should 'just follow the money'.

You are literally seeing with your own eyes in India how bad this can get, with hospitals overwhelmed, oxygen running out and patients left to die at home but no, it's all just a 'cult' and a ruse by 'the man' to grab even more control and have us suck off the boosom of government.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous. 

   

He won’t believe until he’s choking for breath in a hospital corridor ... like several of his fellow travellers down the social media rabbit hole have subsequently done. Until then it’s down to the lizard people controlling the deep state.

15 minutes ago, Britman Free said:

And both of still you don't know anyone who knows anyone who's died of covid ????

Lucky for you that you have access to the best 'sources' though

I don’t know anyone who has died of Covid? Can you post where I have ever made that statement, or anything that even resembles it? Sadly you’ve just made that up ... which tells people nothing about me, but everything they need to know about you.

5 hours ago, robblok said:

I told you its futile to try to convince the fruitcakes on this forum. Its overblown according to them. There should be no masks no lockdowns no vaccinations. 

 

Its like talking with people who are religious or in a cult. No matter what you say they will choose to believe their points even if all the evidence is pointing an other way.

I agree with you on those points. Since the rise of social media the human race has funnelled into their own little “truth” silos, where only they and their fellow “truth seekers” understand what’s going on in the world ... and everybody else in enthralled to the deep state, lizard people, paedophile elites, and other such nonsense. Opinion is the new fact. And anyone presenting facts is simply “fake news”. They are slaves to every opportunist, propagandist and snake oil salesman out there. 

1 hour ago, Matros61 said:

So it's not strange that the passed year, no one has died from the yearly flue?! Only Covid-19! Just saying! 

I don’t think it’s that difficult to understand. People are washing their hands frequently and we're not attending crowded areas. That and mask wearing, coupled with much bigger take up in flu jabs, explains most of it. I’ve not had a cold or flu in well over a year. That’s probably the longest stretch in my life. 

1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

enough of this nonsense. No one ever says that. What should have happened in TARGETED efforts to protect the vulnerable and not this bullying and gaslighting we see from media and concerned citizens. The COVID response in the West has been 10% public health and 90% browbeating and emotional abuse from our leaders. Enough is enough.

Just read an article in the UK’s Sunday Times, about sufferers of long Covid, and they went from a 9 year old to a 47 year old, all of the people interviewed are struggling many months after contracting the virus. So how do we protect “the vulnerable” when they cover such a wide spectrum of society? 

6 hours ago, Britman Free said:

Tragically cut down in his prime (aged 79) RIP

 

Life expectancy in the UK = 81

Average age of a UK covid victim = 82

 

????

The bulk of deaths are people who are old, or obese. In 1918-19 it was people in their prime, 18-26, with old people escaping relatively unharmed. It was thought that the victim’s immune systems were at their peak, and they died of cytokine storms, where the immune system itself attacks healthy cells. Older folk had experienced flu that was closer to that virus, so had a level of protection. And the very young had underdeveloped immune systems, so their bodies didn’t go overboard.
 

Your point is what? We should do nothing, just let them die? The next time it might affect a different age demographic.