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He might need a brain transplant though. That whole "didnt happen in a vacuum" nonsense showed clearly that he has no real understanding of what happened. There can be no justification for mass rape, murder of children, torture, and kidnapping. Never. IF Hamas were truly a "resistance movement", then they would target the IDF. The Israeli police. But no, instead they chose to target the most innocent and blameless and conveniently soft targets. That shows clearly the depth of their depravity and how any negotiation with them is impossible. There WILL be a ceasefire, once Hamas is eliminated.

Ask Hamas. They could stop the war tomorrow, simply by giving up the hostages and surrendering. But until that happens, every death in Gaza is on them. And they know it.

Yes, the number reported as provided by Hamas. In any case, would you prefer that Israel had simply replied in exact proportion? So, the IDF should have simply gone into Gaza, raped an equivalent number of Gazan women, slaughtered an equivalent number of children, taken an equivalent number of hostages, then called for a cease fire. Sound good to you?

Any evidence of any of the Hamas leaders serving honourably?

No evidence for 3000 dead children. Given the Hamas penchant for exaggeration, you can probably knock a zero off that and be more accurate. In any case, war is not a game of numbers. There is no "indiscriminate slaughter of civilians", unless you count the one done by Hamas 2 weeks ago. You really need to do a little research before embarrassing yourself even more

Netanyahu was a soldier once, served honourably in an elite unit, and was wounded in combat. You may want to pull your head in, my friend.

I have to laugh when I hear Hamas apologists whine about Israeli "carpet bombing" or "indiscriminate bombing" of Gaza. They are deploying perhaps 20% of their air power at the moment, and being very selective about their targeting. They have more than 300 attack aircraft, plus at least 50 attack helicopters that could be deployed. They could unleash hell on Gaza, but don't. Remarkable restraint.

You could say the same for the Palestinians in 1948. They should have stayed and fought for what was theirs. Yet, like the Jews in Muslim lands, they didn't. So now what?

No, asking if the same standard should apply. Compensate the Palestinians for their lost land. Also compensate the Jews for theirs. All of which was lost in the mid 20th century. Sounds fair, doesn't it?

Also need to think of what to do once Gaza is pacified, all the Hamas terror infrastructure is destroyed, and all Hamas terrorists (and their supporters) are at room temperature. There will need to be a long term plan on how to wean Palestinians from their Jew hatred. As many have said, as much as half of the Gaza population has been born since Hamas took over. They have known only Hamas in power, they use horrible anti-Semitic curriculum in schools, they watch grotesque anti-Semitic cartoons and children's tv programming, etc. No wonder they excitedly call home (using murdered Jewish peoples' cell phones) to proudly boast of their crimes. Something needs to be done to change the mindset and culture before anyone can think of a Palestinian nation as viable.

So the option is to carry on old grievances for generations? Strange how that doesn't happen in other places so much. In any case, would your theory also extend to Jewish people too? Hundreds of thousands of Jews were forced from their homes and land in various Muslim countries in the 1948-1967 era. It would only be fair if THEY were able to return as well, right? Strange though. When the Jews were chased out of Muslim countries, they were welcomed in Israel as brothers. They were given rights, citizenship, and so on. Why did the same not happen to Palestinians who were similarly displaced?

Charming, except that analogy falls through on many levels. If that had happened to my great grandfather, as is the case with Palestinians now, it would be irrelevant. There are no Palestinians alive today (or perhaps they number in the low single digits) whose land was stolen in 1948. And even if you accept that I have claim somehow to my great grandfather's land... if my great grandfather's friends said, "hey, get out of the way, we are gonna roll through and smash our enemies! You can come back later and enjoy the spoils of war", then the friends got beaten, I have no recourse and no right to claim compensation. Let's be honest. The sticking point isn't the division of land. The sticking point is that a Jewish state exists. And it exists in the middle of an area surrounded by Muslim countries. THAT is the actual problem. The underlying Jew hatred that is the core of the Middle East troubles is finally coming out, and no amount of UN mealy mouthed wordsmithing will change that.

Exactly. If you believe that the other side isn't just your opponent, but that they are sub-human, it kind of makes a political solution difficult. I can see this turning into a long, slow, Fallujah style campaign with the IDF slowly ahd slowly tightening the ring around Hamas. Then, completely destroying their terrorist infrastructure (tunnel systems, bunkers etc) before allowing Gazans to return.

By his thinking, he is telling the truth. They do not see Jews as human, so anything done to them doesn't rise to the level of a crime. More like a righteous scolding.

There is no two state solution. At least as long as one side explicitly calls for the genocide of the other. Imagine crowds of Israel supporters chanting, "From the River to the Sea, All of Israel will be Free!" Imagine thousands of Israel supporters cheering on butchery and rape and applauding as desecrated and tortured Palestinians are abused. But that would never happen. The Palestinians have never had a state, and if they keep it up as now, they never will. They need to cleanse themselves of the virulent anti-Semitism that infests their society from cradle to grave. IMHO a kind of WW2 style "de-Nazification" program is needed. Start with kids in school and teach them peace, not martyrdom. Then, perhaps, they will be mature enough as a society to deserve statehood.

True, but in this particular dispute only one side wants to murder every member of the other. Even in relatively moderate Jordan, less than a quarter of people support a 2 state solution to the Palestinian issue. Troubling is that support is lowest among young Jordanians, which suggests that a solution is a long way away. https://news.gallup.com/poll/512828/palestinians-lack-faith-biden-two-state-solution.aspx

I can handle this one... because it doesn't fit their pre-conceived narrative of Israel being the bad guy.

How is the punishment "collective" when it is targeted exclusively at locations where terrorist and terrorist equipment is located? Bombs are expensive. No way the Israelis are going to throw them around indiscriminately.

Israel took nobody's homeland. There has never been a Palestinian homeland. There was no country in the region before Israel. Sure, lots of Palestinians lived there. But they fled when Israel was attacked by FIVE countries in 1948. As far as I am concerned, they (the Palestinians )are the responsibility of those five nations. Also, ask yourself why the 55 Muslim nations in the world have done nothing to alleviate the suffering of the Palestinians? Did not offer them refuge, did not offer them visas or status as residents, just kept them in camps. This has gone on for 3 generations and it is disgusting. Contrast this to: a/ the treatment of Jewish refugees in Israel, and b/ the treatment of refugees in general by western nations.

Any chance to find out where you got those maps? AFAIK, there were neither countries called Palestine OR Israel before 1948. In any case, countries come and go, borders change, populations shift. Should Germans have the "right of return" to go back to Gdansk in Poland? Mexicans to go back to California? Israel is a fact, it will not go away, in spite of the wishes of so many Islamists world over.

Guterres really needs to be sacked. His nonsense about nothing occurring "in a vacuum" is whataboutism at its worst. Please let us know when Israelis entered Gaza, killed people and raped young girls beside their dead friends, set out to murder the elderly, and eagerly called home to tell their parents how they were doing it. The level of visceral hatred and atrocity in the Hamas attacks shows the true feelings of many on the Muslim side. The fact that they can make video clips of their crimes, get paid bounties for the hostages they take, and are cheered on by the Gazans all put paid to the idea that a political solution can be easily reached.

Fair enough. I can see how that makes sense. She may also deliberately ignore any media or information that does not agree with her preconceptions, but yeah I can understand what you mean.

Yeah, total BS. Even though Gaza is crowded, there are plenty of empty spaces where brave brave Hamas could fire their rockets from, IF they wanted to. Yet they only use crowded areas surrounded by civilians for some reason.

1. Considering that Hamas over-estimated the deaths in the fake hospital bombing by a factor of at least 10, we can assume the same about any casualty figures that come out of the so-called 'Palestinian Health Authority'. So they claim 6000 civilian deaths, we can probably safely say the real answer is about 600. 2. IF Hamas has enough fuel to keep firing rockets at Israel, why don't they give that fuel to civilians running hospitals and water treatment facilities?

Well educated and well informed are not the same thing. Just look at the drek and idiocy going on in the US on so many so-called elite university campuses. And the uninformed hatred being spewed by the professors.