17 minutes ago, MadMac said:

Huh? What does that even mean? This article contradicts itself. Population numbers are not even near to compare. 

What difference does that make, then it would be who had administered the most vaccines per million people, it’s not about that, it’s about which countries have achieved the most so far in terms of vaccinating a percentage of their population regardless of how large or small it is.

11 minutes ago, EricTh said:

Wouldn't it be better to fix a date instead of shifting the date all the time?

 

A 1st december opening date would be more realistic, by that time most people would have been vaccinated in times for the Christmas and year end holidays. 

Agreed, all these knee jerk reactions and conflicting statements on opening, be adults about it and stop setting yourselves up to fail. Get a realistic date and stick to it, job done.

Oooops not approved by Thailand’s FDA yet but still being administered

Stop giving Sinopharm to under-18s, doctors’ group says

A doctors’ group urged agencies to hold off from giving the Sinopharm vaccine against Covid-19 to children, as it has not yet gained emergency approval for people under 18 from the Thai Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Opposition MPs also voiced concern.

“Children are not lab rats,” the Health Personnel Association (ภาคีบุคลากรสาธารณสุข) wrote on its Facebook page Monday, saying it “objects to the research that looks to provide Sinopharm to children.” The statement recommended Pfizer instead for children.

The Chulabhorn Royal Academy (CRA) this week started to give Sinopharm shots to 2,000 students age 10-17 as part of their latest trial with a target of 108,000 students. The trial was approved by its research ethics committee.

Vajira Hospital administers Pfizer to 12-18 year-old with 7 underlying conditions:

Vajira Hospital on Tuesday offered the Pfizer vaccines for teenagers aged between 12-18 years old with 7 underlying conditions.

The hospital was able to roll out 1,500 jabs on the day, with 800 people receiving their first doses and 700 receiving their second doses.

Bangkok governor Asawin Kwanmuang was also present in overseeing the vaccine roll-out at the hospital, which is located in Samsen Road, Dusit District in Bangkok.

6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

OK then over 600,000 Thai medical workers from April to July 2021  received 2 shots of Sinovac and about 600 became infected with COVID or less than 1% -- and Delta first showed up in Thailand April 2021

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2021/09/08/฿4-25-billion-approved-for-12-million-more-sinovac-doses/

 

But to me the nitty gritty is that, even though you rightly claim that Sinovac trails all other vaccines on Delta variant measured variables:

 

BANGKOK September 8, 2021 — The government on Tuesday said it will spend 4.25 billion baht to buy 12 million more Sinovac vaccine doses for its “mix-and-match” vaccination program.

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2021/09/08/฿4-25-billion-approved-for-12-million-more-sinovac-doses/

 

 

 

 

 

Alpha was discovered early April not Delta, that was not detected in the community until late May. There were a couple of cases found in quarantined arrivals before that but not in the community.

11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

There is a global trend of lessening infections. 

 

Perhaps vaccines are curbing the spread, or people are just being more careful. 

 

Or perhaps there is some large fraction of the population with prior immunity to Covid. I don't know why Delta seems to be waning. 

I would say all the above plus the current measures in place

3 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Sez U.

 

The EUL was dated JUN1 WHO validates Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use and issues interim policy recommendations
1 June 2021 

 

First reports of Covid Delta in Laksi district per BaPo in April 2021.

Now read how WHO based their assessment, which trials, not those with Delta.

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

But the report you linked is dated 2 SEP 2021 and, in that report, they make no suggestion that the information presented is outdated or obsolete.

But the fact that it is out dated. Delta was not around then

14 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

But the excess mortality data is so recent that it might not be accurate. Usually, this data needs a few months of work before it is finalized. 

That data sources are contained in the link and this is a data point that will always remain.

They get their data directly from Thailand’s own DOPH

Thai kids can get either Pfizer or inactivated vaccine, says govt

The authorities said on Monday that parents can opt for their children to receive an inactivated Covid-19 jab instead of the mRNA Pfizer vaccine. Thai kids can get either Pfizer or inactivated vaccine, says govt

Deputy government spokesperson Trisulee Trisaranakul said children are scheduled to get a Pfizer jab in the first phase and inactivated vaccines in later phases. However, she said, parents can opt for their children to get an inactivated vaccine in the first phase if they want.

The government aims to have 4.5 million students aged 12 to 17 inoculated with the Pfizer vaccine if permitted by parents.

41 minutes ago, candide said:

Number of deaths from all causes numbers have been released for August: 57,125, which is 16,126 more than in 2020.

For the same period (August), Worldometers  indicates 6,599 Covid-19 deaths, so there's around 10,000 unexplained excess deaths in August.

Ahem!

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/thailand/

That’s a huge spike compared to the previous 5 years.

2 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Frankly, if it was a choice between someone whose background is in construction and those who are medical professionals, I know who I would trust.

With that I indeed agree but the ultimate responsibility is his as Health Minister

5 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

True. But quite a few were surprised when restaurants, massage places and malls reopened earlier than expected.  I do think there's a likelihood of further openings next month. Let's see - and stay optimistic!

Next month I agree, there is likely to be further openings due to vaccination levels but not likely for international tourism was my point.

1 hour ago, smedly said:

when I obtained my crystal ball all those years ago it just never lived up to the hype, then I was offered a secret manuscipt that had a map showing the location of a "super crystal ball" - it also came with a whip and a really cool cowboy hat with the inscription "I J", I laughed and respectfully declined ........................... I am sure some mug fell for it but not me

 

????

There was a crystal ball followed by some posters here believing that things would open up on the 1st Oct. Best in my opinion to stop with the predictions that lead to false hopes and wait for official announcements with the full details published and that will not happen until conditions are right, ie vaccinations are to the level required.

19 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Not that anyone goes looking for it, but probably the best solution would be double jabbed, followed by a mild bout of covid19 (thanks to the vaccines) some weeks later.  That would be the best booster of all and should ensure covid19 and descendants won't trouble you unduly in the future.

You would think so but there are exceptions:

One very unlucky woman

Caught covid in 2020, then when recovered had a Covishield vaccine (Indian AZ version). Caught covid alpha variant with moderate symptoms, recovered had a booster, then finally caught covid yet again delta variant with serious symptoms needing oxygen in hospital. Survived and now well, lets hope she avoids any new variants in the future!!

4 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

No not got round to listening to them yet as been out doing the exercise regimen. Can’t be sitting around for 12 hours/day on a PC, not good for the ol grey matter. 
But I will do later so that is again. 
 

As we know these decisions are fluid. What they say one day is contradicted by someone else the next and a new target is put in place such as :

 

 

 

As I have said before i have always believed that their main goal was to be fully open for the Xmas/NY tourism and I expect regular   announcements such as the one posted earlier re entertainment relaxations, to gradually entice these tourists into booking their Xmas breaks. 

If the current trends continue re infections and death rates there can be little justification for waiting another 3 months to relax some of the restrictions as appears to be recognised already. 
 

All the constant posts around “there’s nothing here for them to come for” will all be a distant memory in the next few weeks, well in time to make the Xmas season a tourist success. 

 

If I’m wrong I will put my hands up you will be the first to know. 
 

Good evening. 

I was addressing this which is nothing to do with your exercise:

"Anyone with knowledge of Risk Assessment may understand why,  looking at those figures, the government may be considering lowering their original targets for opening sooner."

There is absolutely no indication of that from CCSA and that link I provided makes the case that they have indeed cancelled the previous opening dates.

12 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Every First Jab Will Be Sinovac Vaccine in October

BANGKOK, Sept 20 (TNA) – The first dose of COVID-19 vaccination for Thais next month will be the vaccine made by Sinovac, according to Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul.

 

The plan for the Sinovac vaccine to be the first dose for COVID-19 vaccination resulted from Thailand’s order for 12 million doses from Sinovac. Of the amount, 9 million doses will be delivered this month and 3 million more doses will arrive next month, Mr Anutin said.

 

The government decided to use the Sinovac vaccine as the first dose and the vaccine made by AstraZeneca as the second dose so that people can be fully vaccinated sooner, within 3-4 weeks after their first injection, he said.

 

https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-784431

I know Thailand did a small study on the mixing of Sinovac with AZ and that WHO a few weeks ago stated that its up to individual health depts of countries to make decisions on that.

WHO also released a statement just a few days ago saying that so far there is only evidence for a mix of AZ and mRna vaccines as being safe and effective.