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31 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

The operative word is "may". What, one wonders is the scale and and prevalence of these alleged side effects? Also, it is know that other viral infections, such as flu and mumps can lead to long-lasting nd serious complications.

 

 

You can satisfy your curiosity be googling "covid 19 long haulers" dozens of articles, studies and facts.

1 hour ago, webfact said:

The coronavirus strain, found among quarantined Thai returnees from abroad, is the mutated G strain, which has been spreading in the United States and Europe. It is not the S strain, which originally spread in Thailand, according to Dr. Yong Poovorawan of Chulalongkorn University, Thailand’s top virologist.

 

He said that, if there is a second wave of infections in Thailand, the G strain virus, or G614, will be dominant, because it is about ten times more contagious than the S strain, originally identified in Asia, but it does not appear to be more deadly.

Maybe he should also have mentioned that he was getting this information from this peer reviewed study.

Tracking changes in SARS-CoV-2 Spike: evidence that D614G increases infectivity of the COVID-19 virus

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30820-5

6 minutes ago, Anton9 said:

https://time.com/5842669/coronavirus-asymptomatic-transmission/

Not disputing the findings from that but one study from a ship does not make it a worldwide statistic. "It’s difficult to extrapolate the results to larger populations"

I was quoting figures from WHO.

Its not clear yet but to say 80% of people have no symptoms whatsoever is pushing it

41 minutes ago, candide said:

So, as far as I understand it, he said that WHO headquarter was first informed by an American website reporting the statements published in the Chinese media.

So he calls these statements 'report's, which is ambiguous. 

 

And, of course, the journalist from the Washingtonexaminer thinks that Tedros "seems to suggest". Even if true, it's not a big deal and not a valid reason for defunding the WHO.

Agreed, it not a reason to defund the WHO and I would have preferred that the USA stayed within and applied pressure that way instead, however the list of in-competencies by WHO keeps growing but they can be addressed and improved if the right leadership is in place, it is my opinion Tedros absolutely needs to go.

https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Interim-Minority-Report-on-the-Origins-of-the-COVID-19-Global-Pandemic-Including-the-Roles-of-the-CCP-and-WHO-6.15.20.pdf

9 hours ago, candide said:

I never claimed China was clean. I was addressing the issue of WHO allegedly lying (up to a point that deserves defunding). You provided only a very minor example, which was likely not intended to be a lie.

 

China confirmed the information 3 days later. If it deserves to be sanctioned for that, so be it. That's the role of the member State's assembly.

Indeed, China had no choice in confirming the virus 3 days later as the information had already been intercepted via other routes:

"During an April 20, 2020 press conference, Dr. Ryan and Director-General Tedros were asked about Taiwan’s email notification. Dr. Ryan, as quoted earlier in this report, reveals that the WHO learned about the outbreak not from PRC authorities, but from a post on a U.S.-based website. When the moderator called on another reporter, Director-General Tedros interjected: Can I? I think Mike answered it very well but it[sic] just wanted to summarise. In its email on 31st December one thing that has to be clear is the first email was not from Taiwan. Many other countries already were asking for clarification. The first report came from Wuhan, from China itself…. So the report first came from China - that's fact number one [emphasis added] - from Wuhan itself.175 While it is technically true that the first reports of the virus originated in Wuhan, WHO headquarters staff initially discovered these reports on a U.S.-based early warning website. Director-General Tedros’ comments seem to suggest that Wuhan or the PRC informed the WHO of the outbreak, which is untrue."

A tangled web being promoted by Tedros

57 minutes ago, genset said:

It seems logical that an increase in established testing procedures would result in an increase of reported infections (people are now being routinely tested when they are admitted as in-patients to Hospitals in Florida as an example. Whether they are admitted for elective surgery, show any signs of viral infection or not).

 

Unsurprisingly conspicuous in it's absence from main stream media reports (who seemingly want to continue milking this story for all it's worth); is the reported mortality rate, which by all accounts has plummeted to around 0.26%, do facts matter any more..?

 

 

Your chart is from 22nd May correct?

MIAMI — The rate of daily coronavirus deaths reported by the state of Florida has begun to tick up again for the first time since May, a trend that was apparent even before Thursday’s announcement of a record 120 COVID deaths, following weeks of rising hospitalizations.

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/florida-s-coronavirus-death-rate-is-trending-up-again-after-rising-hospitalizations/article_0239e85c-fd0f-5a0a-bb2c-f2777684cc51.html

All charts now confirm a rising death trendline

22 minutes ago, candide said:

Because it is not an important change. To have an official statement published in the media is not significantly different from reporting it. 

Its a huge change, it proves China did not report this outbreak to WHO, breaking International Law. 

International Health Regulations (2005) (IHR) provide an overarching legal framework that defines countries’ rights and obligations in handling  public health events and emergencies.

The IHR are an instrument of international law that is legally-binding on 196 countries, including the 194 WHO Member States

11 minutes ago, neverere said:

How do you think they will test it ?

Good point, unless they plan on sending the recipients to get sneezed on with the handful of patients in hospital who are recovering ????

2 hours ago, candide said:

That's all you found? Hair splitting! So the Wuhan Health Commision made an official statement in the media and the WHO called it "reported".

Wow!

A little more than hair splitting if the WHO archives its previous timeline and publishes a new one without an official statement.

20 minutes ago, candide said:

How did the WHO lie, precisely?

Being economical with the truth perhaps?

WHO admits China never reported the existence of coronavirus outbreak

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus sought to downplay the early warnings about the outbreak that Taiwan says it provided to the organization and stressed that the "first report" came from Wuhan, where the outbreak is believed to have originated. Turns out that was a complete lie and WHO have admitted it by changing the official timeline of events.

"WHO found out about the coronavirus outbreak when Chinese media reports about an atypical pneumonia outbreak began to leak online"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/who-admits-china-never-reported-the-existence-of-coronavirus-outbreak

Archived WHO timeline reporting China reported the outbreak on the 31st Dec https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

Updated WHO timeline https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/29-06-2020-covidtimeline

1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

Even though I am 63 years of age, I am healthy and my immune system is not challenged. 

So

1 - the chance of catching it in a virtually covid-free country like Thailand is minimal;

2 - my immune system will take care of it in the unlikely case - see 1 - when I do catch it (and it will make me immune for catching it again later).

I consider social distancing and masks unnecessary, and don't use it in my direct surroundings (where nobody does it, by the way).  But if people are afraid and are wearing masks I will not contribute to heightening their stress, and will then 'abide by the rules' not out of fear but out of respect for their point of view.

But I will speak up and provide my opinion when asked about it, because some of the ignorant scare-mongers are less tolerant and would lock-down the whole country forever because of their irrational fears.

 

Good to hear that despite your personal views you would still out of respect for others wear a mask if need be. Being empathetic to others needs be they unfounded or real is to be commended.

Your other points on the illness, ie, it being mild for many cases, estimates being for around 80% of people, the classification for mild is wide, it basically means you do not need oxygen in hospital, but you can still have pneumonia and not be admitted so still be classed as mild. 

Many mild cases have enormous impacts on the sufferers that can last many weeks. 

"Think a 'mild' case of Covid-19 doesn’t sound so bad? Think again" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/06/coronavirus-covid-19-mild-symptoms-who

That said, I also think Thailand should now open up, for a country with obviously very low numbers (if believed) then they really do now need to take justifiable risks otherwise its going to be like this until the vaccine comes along, if it does, although personally I am sure it will.

U.S. sending 580 military medical personnel to Texas to assist with taking care of COVID-19 patients at civilian hospitals - ABC

12 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Testing is no more than a management tool, like face masks and quarantine measures, it does not prevent something from happening.

Once people are dead, any further information is hindsight, a wonderful thing. Pre-emptive measures are the most effective, testing is trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.

Testing is a management tool yes but its wrong to say it does not prevent something from happening. The more testing you do the more you know the full extent of the problem, the more you can make decisions on preventative measures.

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

So whose post did you quote in your post No 111.

Typical TVF escape route - denial.

Yea when you take a quote out of context, pot - kettle 

damned if you do, damned if you don't............a politicians curse. In my opinion its a positive step, one of many that need taking but in the right direction.

7 minutes ago, nbg said:

 

Is CDC taking money from private entities with interests?

 

https://www.ashclinicalnews.org/online-exclusives/cdc-pressed-acknowledge-industry-funding/

What are you trying to imply?

5 hours ago, 86Tiger said:

The flu vaccine is a joke.

Well here's the joke then, during 2017-2018, flu vaccination prevented an estimated 6.2 million influenza illnesses, 3.2 million influenza-associated medical visits, 91,000 influenza-associated hospitalizations, and 5,700 influenza-associated deaths in the US

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Don't quote me and change the context, it's against the rules.

If you wish to misinterpret the HK system then do it under your own name, not mine.

Now I know you've lost it I didn't quote you at all, go ahead report it please do........????

I suggest you read my original post again it seems your having a problem making sense of it, unfortunately I cannot help you further

34 minutes ago, Scot123 said:

So China is investigating its self then.

Watched the job interview for the head of WHO and unable to answer one single question yet got the job!!! His history is shocking and criminal but, but, but. Wish my own government would have the Balls to stop funding CCP propaganda wing.

Now thats worth a watch, do you have a link?

17 minutes ago, sandyf said:

As usual off on a tangent. Where did I say you could quarantine with others, it is self isolation and heavy penalties for contravention.

My friend was at home with his wife as they traveled together, if you travel alone it's a different matter. If self isolation is difficult you go into a government facility.

? I never said that, I said if you go home to quarantine then you can be with your wife. You're very touchy, calm down a little

34 minutes ago, OnTheRun said:

Tell my friend with a wife and four kids who has been constantly refused a CofE in KL despite meeting all the requirements, or my Thai colleague who has been refused return from Doha on several occasions. His next allocated date is 25 July.

Yes the problem is that Thailand only allocates a certain number of Thai repatriations per month and the flights get fully booked very quickly, thats certainly the case in the UK and I guess in other countries where Thai's want to leave to return. Its a real desperate situation for many.

"In a video call interview, Ekaphum Chamnanrabiabkij, a practicing family doctor in Bicester, said the 3,000-plus Thais stranded in the U.K. include dozens who need to return to Thailand for cancer doctor appointments, mental health prescriptions, family members’ funerals, and other urgent needs.

“It’s embarrassing if the whole world knows about this,” Ekaphum said. “How can we be so proud that our country has zero cases of COVID when we leave our brothers and sisters in a foreign country?"

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/calamity/2020/07/09/thais-stranded-in-uk-by-virus-missing-medical-appointments-family-funerals/