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9 minutes ago, gdgbb said:

 If you were such good mates perhaps you could explain then why he was so dreading going back to the university?

   From the reports, it sounds like he was depressed and liked a drink and had   "disapeared" before

Wonder why they were in the toilet for so long , a bunch of them at that .

They will be getting endless calls from kids who have found their parents telephone and are playing with it, pressing numbers

3 hours ago, gemguy said:

That is because the police are hardly trustworthy individuals and the fact that over the years hundreds of foreigners have died here in Thailand and they died by way of murder while very few of the cases are investigated and solved..

The police call them suicides more often than not and very seldom do they ever seriously investigate the crimes ..even when the perpetrators are known or the case is far from difficult to solve.....while the police try to ignore the evidence and ignore the concerns of the family or relatives or friends and loved ones.

Now, on the other hand ...if there is money involved and money to be made by the police ...then you can obtain a degree of interest on the part of the police.  

 

Cheers

    And no doubt that this would be yet another case of a Foreigner being murdered in Thailand, had Pitty Sing not informed us of the facts .

   The RTP s investigation standards may not be up to Western standards , but journalism is also a reason for peoples misunderstandings, shoddy reporting . Stories are not followed up and I get the impression that journaalist will turn up to a crime scene and ask the first policeman that he sees what happened and the policeman will just say what he thinks probably happened and this is reported as a fact .

  We only get to see one media report of a death and theres usually just minimal information in those reports and so people try to work out what happened and come to the wrong conclusion .

  Yes, there have been some suspicious deaths , usually on the islands, but to say there have been 100 s of felangs murdered is a gross exaggeration 

12 minutes ago, A1Str8 said:

. I understand that the cuts were there before so what? 

The autopsy shows the injuries. I didn't say, it proves the date when they occurred. 

   The hotel workers stated that the abrasions were there two days before he died , which shows that his leg abrasions were nothing to do with his demise .

2 hours ago, Pitty Sing said:

I am a worker at the uni and from what I've seen, all was handled well there.  Yes, the cremation ceremony was short, but that was after a 2 hour memorial at the university in which students and faculty, including the rector, paid great tribute to the man.  And that was the second ceremony!  The first one was held the day that James was reported dead.  No mention of that in the article.  Also, our website newspaper published a very nice tribute.  

The article claims cover-up, but why no effort to contact the university?  what kind of journalism is that?
(And motive?  for the school?  I suppose they might have been interested in shielding the student body from reports that there is some killer loose, targeting beloved instructors...)

Had they done so, they probably would have gotten some answer that suggested that the school could not be responsible for trying to contact an employee who did not wish to be contacted, without violating his rights.  Upon getting the autopsy, they immediately shared the final conclusion (though truly, not the details listed in the article; but why did the article not mention the final results?  or the accurate reporting of those final results to the staff and students by mass email?).  Is the implication that the school was able to influence the police?  And were the police trying to cover up or were they just trying to get home for dinner once they found that there was no robbery, and no forced entry and no immediate attribution of the bruises to the death (the hotel staff evidently had seen James actively coming and going for two days prior with those cuts and bruises).  The cease and desist letter was an attempt to respect (ironically) the wishes the of the brother so that he would share (ironically again) the autopsy results so that those results could be shared with the school who was looking for closure and hoping that suicide was not the final determination.  The cease and desist letter was targeted at an individual who seemingly took some kind of pleasure in looking at and sharing these pictures which explained nothing but certainly were morbid, dark, ugly and unsettling.  Could you imagine a few hundred students roaming around campus with those after-images burned in their eyes, and talking about without having even an inkling of any of the circumstances (kind of like what I've seen here and on Facebook since the disappearance).  

And perhaps the school was happy to get back the autopsy report which allowed this whole thing to go away.  No student or friend there wanted to hear about suicide or some dark murder from which he was trying to escape for over a month, especially if there were was nothing from the police or autopsy to warrant such speculation.  And besides, who knows what happened?  the police and staff of the hotel say the room was locked from the inside.  if he had gotten beaten, or fallen down, and died two days later, how do we know it wasn't all on him?  many who knew him knew that he could be belligerent when inebriated, and if in despair on top of that? And James did have some kind of history with depression, and had disappeared before in similar ways that made all close to him hope and pray for his eventual return.   And if he was on a bender, looking for trouble?  You've heard of suicide by cop?  How about suicide by bar patron?  or by street thugs?  or by taxi driver?  I myself have had brushes with violence from Thai folk and Falang in my years here, which came out of the blue without any or much provocation on my part.  and why do we have to investigate every strange death?  Do they do so in the US?  In Russia?  In France.  No, no and no.  Turns out that weird deaths are often enough swept under the carpet in countries all over the world.  And so what?  does the investigation (and spending of time and money and resources really allow justice?  not too often, I'm afraid).  Somehow, people who live here forget that inept or sloppy policing occurs (all over the globe) at least as often as high level cover ups.  Maybe even more?  Who was it on this forum invoked Occam?  

Now why James' brother and his so-called friend are so interested in all of this is anybody's guess.  I've never spoken to him, but all the reports I've heard suggest he's a disturbed and obsessive individual who cannot respect the rights and peace of his brother or his brother's colleagues.  

James was a nice dude with problems.  That's true.  Let's give the guy a break and us, and just let this go away.  For myself, I've been robbed of grieving by vampires and photo hounds -- all infantile egos bent on getting themselves off at the expense of having to deal with real feelings about their own guilt or worthlessness.



 

    Thank-you for the informative post .

That seems to clear everything up .

Apologies for some TV posters , they just cannot fathom that a Westerner can die naturally in Thailand , they always need to find the Thai person responsible for killing them , and if they cannot find them.............it must be a Police cover up .

   Im not sure why they are like this : Alcohol , Alzheimer's , Paranoia or just  too much time on their hands , who knows ?

37 minutes ago, A1Str8 said:

The autopsy shows that he was beaten up.

  No it didnt . It showed that he had black eyes and a cut to the head , and cuts on his legs . Hotel workers have confirmed that the cuts to his legs were there two days before he died and his facial wounds were very probably done when he fell over to die .

    All explainable 

1 hour ago, Gang Warily said:

I do not think it would be appropriate to publish the pictures. Just saying.

  And as stated, they didnt want the students to see the photos , which is understandable , and some people feel entitled to see the photos, where as its nothing to do with them .

Yes, I had to cancel my student visa , I had to go to immigration in Thailand and get a cancellation letter .

  Failure to do this and I would have left Thailand and my Ed Visa would still have been valid , and I would be on an overstay when I came back.

  Yes, it doesnt make sense, but thats the way that it was .

Best to ask you school about whether you need to do it, as the rules change frequently

4 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I frankly couldn't care less what you think; The post stands.

  I thought that you were replying to my post " Do you have any evidence to suggest that it was foul play and a cover up ? " , but, as you didnt quote me, maybe you just did a random post

IMO , Thailand seems to be wanting to encourage infirm elderly people here , maybe the idea is to set up care homes , old people homes ?

12 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

 

I have no intention of prolonging this any further - you are convinced that he died of a heart attack (i.e. the official explanation) whereas I and most of the other posters on here seem to think that there is something amiss when what can only be described as a suspicious death is not investigated properly, so,  

   How do you know the level of the Police investigation ? 

It hasnt been reported about how the Police investigated it 

The Police may have investigated it thoroughly, you just dont know

1 hour ago, Khon Kaen Dave said:

How embarrassing for the RTB .

Oh! hang on,not really,they dont give a Shit and it woud be too much to ask for to investigate a felang murder,And you know how great they are it investigating.If theres no immediate suspect(s)its obviously a suicide.

20 minutes ago, sambum said:

".If theres no immediate suspect(s)its obviously a suicide."

(Post No 61)

OK, terrier?

Sambum : KKD was giving his opinion of what he thinks the Thai Police attitude is , he didnt mean it literally 

40 minutes ago, sambum said:

 
  " A hospital staff member who took the photos said there were more bruises on his shoulder and back, and both his lower legs had scrapes on them, as if he had been dragged."

 
And that's apart from the black eyes and cut on his nose and .........!

    The bruises could easily have came when he fell over .

He may have stumbled around a bit during the heart attack .

If would have been beaten, he would have more injuries than a few bruises and scratches 

28 minutes ago, sambum said:

My apologies, it was a figure of speech as I am sure you realise! I should have said "committed suicide"!

   OK, who is saying that he committed suicide ?

15 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

 

However, I don't believe that he walked into a lamppost, or beat himself up and as a result of this he had a heart attack as some on here would have you believe!

  Who is saying that he beat himself up ?

Just now, sambum said:

 

"if he was standing up when he died"

 

I think you're reaching as well! 

  People spend 2/thirds of the day standing up, so its more than likely that he wasnt laying down when he died .

9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I think you're reaching...

 

Based on the report above, he seems to have had various wounds on different parts of his body, more and more diverse than likely would have occurred from a simple fall/collapse.

 

 

   Which wounds do you feel are unaccountable for ?

44 minutes ago, wringo said:

Two black eyes and bruises on head and body isn't from natural causes! Someone beat the crap out of him...Go ahead, believe the police story. 

  Those injuries are consistent with falling over , which would have happened if he was standing up when he died

3 minutes ago, Redvic said:

Let  sleeping bodies rest in peace!!!! The man was murdered you muppet. Another classic thai police cover up. 

   How do you know that he was "murdered"

You just think that he probably was murdered and you are stating this as a fact

People on retirement Visa should not be worried , back to back tourist visas are still available .

   If the worse comes to the worse, they can just go to Vientiane every three months

31 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Historic example with alarming similarities from a little further away...

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/8546634/Murder-inquiry-launched-over-death-of-British-man-on-Thai-island.html

   Five years ago , someone was murdered on Ko Samui and the local people tried to cover it up, so that means a guy in a different location was also murdered five years later?

  I really dont think that that "evidence" would stand up in Court

It seems that the insurance requirements are just for new retirement visa applications .

   But it would hardly be surprising if the authorities made it a requirement for all current retirees .

   And you can understand the reasoning behind it .

A few weeks ago, an elderly friend of mine , no money and scratching around earning a few baht for existence.

   He became sick and was taken to a public hospital , they said that he is in a serious condition and only has a few days to live and he needs an operation to extend his life .

    No one could pay the money for the operation , so the hospital filled him with morphine and let nature take its cause .

   He died a few days later , the hospital was left to foot the bill

10 minutes ago, wringo said:

This is a police cover up again. They continue to ruin this country with their corruption and lawlessness. They offer Thais and foreigners, with their families, unbelievable hardship. This sickness needs to be eradicated.   

   How do you know that this is a cover up ?

The Police investigated , had an autopsy done and came to the conclusion that it was natural causes .

   Do you have any evidence to suggest that it was foul play and a cover up ?

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The main point here is, presumably, he didn't get head wounds, bruising, wounds and black eyes from a supposed "heart attack."

 

   He may have received those wounds when he fell .

Heart attack, falls over and hits his head ?