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You can indeed go from a visa exempt entry to FIRST a 90 day Non-O visa based on marriage to a thai and then after that a year extension for the same reason In Samut Prakan you need a MINIMUM of 15 days left on your current visa exempt entry stamp OR 30 day extension from that stamp You have the 400K baht in a thai bank account in your name only, you have the required documentation, TM30, lease, owners thai i/d, house book, wife's i/d, marriage certificates, bank letter, bank statement, updated bank book, photos, filled out TM86 application for visa and 2000baht You apply, they will give you a receipt showing you come back for the "results" in 2 weeks On that date you go back with the passport, they will ink in the Non-O visa stamp it used, and then a new 90 day stamp THEN you wait Until you have 30 days or less left on that 90 day stamp AND your 400K baht is seasoned in a thai bank account in your name only for 2 months, You go back with all new documentation (same stuff you used before but a new set) and a filled out TM7 application for extension, pay the 1900baht, You will get a 30 day under consideration stamp, You go back on that date and get the year extension inked into your passport <- THEN you buy a re-entry permit if you want to leave the country during this coming year's extension period

You're being told bad information, or you're confused a bit Your immigration office was just making up nonsense about the age disparity, etc. They can't issue the visa anyway. No immigration office in the country has issued the Non-O visa based on trailing spouse of a retirement visa/extension holder for quite a long time now. AND No thai consulate in the world will sell a 90 day Non-O based on trailing spouse if you're on a Non-O based on retirement. Only the Non-OA visa you get in your country before you come here has the option for a spouse to get a 90 day Non-O and then piggy bank on your stamp. Even agents can't get a 90 day Non-O issued inside the country from immigration offices for spouses of Non-O retirement holders The 'work around' is to get her on an education visa, extend that one time, and then switch the reason for the extension to married to a foreigner on a retirement extension. That's the only way it can be done. So that's your option... And in the mean time, make sure your marriage is certified by what ever country you were married in, that it was stamped by the that embassy in that country and then translated and stamped by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs office here too, or your not going to be able to use the marriage as a reason for her to piggy back onto your extension

I would say no need to mention. Seeing as there is no category of the DTV Visa based on having Thai family it would be an irrelevant addition In fact, it could be looked at in a negative light by the embassy 😮 and they could wonder why you don't have a non-O visa/extension based on marriage to a tie or raising Thai children. 😕

It would appear that rule is still the same and that foreign females married to thai males DO NOT need proof of funds The "foreigner shows 400K is only for foreign/thai same sex marriages and foreign males / thai females (of course 😛 )

people are now getting rejection emails stating the window I posted I have an image grab of the rejection reason in an emai; someone posted online I'll see if I can find it some people are squeaking thru but I'm just posting what I know to be a safe "window to apply"

The Nong Khai land border crossing went from the easiest entry point in ALL of thailand, to one of the sketchiest ones in just a matter of months While there has been no official rule change what we've seen since the free entry program went from 51 countries who got 30 days to 90+ countries who get 60 dayson July 15th, 2024 is that each border is making up it's own "imaginary criteria" about people bouncing for free stamp entries This came about because the cancelled the old rule that guaranteed you 2 free stamp (visa exempt) entries by land in a calendar year.. When that first happened people (myself included) were saying that it was unlimited entry <- sadly IT was not 😞 , By them cancelling the rule that meant that there was no official limit <- which as many thousands of bouncers have experienced at the border does not mean unlimited 😮 IF all you're wanting to do is bounce out/back to milk a new 60 day free stamp (visa exempt) entry, my advice to you is FIND A SERVICE that bounces people to the border and back from your area. And before someone says that services are more expensive than a bus ticket to the border that's because the service "has it arranged" that their clients on that day get out and back in to thailand the same day, without proof of onward travel, funds, lodging or regard to their previous entry/stay history. <- THAT is what costs the money..

These are the windows of opportunity to file 90 day reports IN PERSON <- From 2 weeks before the due date until 1 week after the due date (giving a 3 week window to apply in person) ONLINE <- From 2 weeks before the due date until 1 week before the due date (giving a 1 week window to apply online) MAIL IN <-(if your office allows it) packet must be postmarked 2 weeks before the due date Remember the FIRST 90 day report after returning from abroad has to be done in person too

Remember the hardest part about changing from banked money proof of funds to monthly income by international transfer proof of funds is: You need to continue to meet the seasoning requirement for the current extension you're on NOW <- meaning you needed to have kept the 800K baht in a thai bank account in your name only for 3 months after your extension was granted and then you can't let the balance go below 400K the rest of the year until you apply for the new extension using monthly income by transfer <- meaning you also need to transfer in from abroad a minimum of 65K baht, each month every month for the previous 12 months before you apply for the extension based on monthly income. The people who used an agent that banked the money for you cannot show they kept the 800K baht in the account for 3 months after the extension they're on now was granted and that will be readily apparent when you submit the year detail transaction report to the immigration office because it shows every transaction on that account (and the balance) for the whole year.. That is what runs most people who have agent gotten visas and want to do their own extensions.. It's a slippery slope getting agent banked money extensions and then trying to switch to one you do yourself.

Sadly (for you) the exchange rate doesn't factor into it, the rule is 65k baht a month, each month, every month for the previous 12 months before you get your next extension. IF you're using monthly income method you need to make sure every one of those transfers is at LEAST 65k baht

you apply for a background check thru the Special Branch Police office For some reason I can't get the link to jump It's the Police Clearance Service Center in Bangkok https://pcscenter.sbpolice.go.th/en

ATTENTION; CANUCK MEMBERS This was the update on the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok F/B page They will discontinue the affidavit of income from abroad on April 1st, 2025 REMEMBER; that income affidavit is valid for 6 months from the date it's issued so if you use one and have an extension coming up in the next 6 months GET it just before they stop issuing it What this means is IF you as a canadian passport holder want to use monthly income to meet the proof of funds for extensions you will have to do what the Britz, 'Muricanz & Auzziez do since their embassies stopped issuing the letter. You have to transfer in to the country the required monthly minimum for the extension you want (40K baht for marriage, 65K baht for retirement) each month, every month for the previous 12 months BEFORE you apply for the next extension. Here's the link to their f/b page Canada to stop income affidavit

You get the 90 day Non-O visa from a thai consulate nearby You get 400K baht in a thai bank account in your name only, let it "season" for 2 months when you have 30 days or less left on that 90 day stamp you apply for a year extension based on marriage by showing the proof of funds and a pile of paperwork, photos, map, marriage certificates, etc, for 1900baht at the immigration office, you will get a 30 day under consideration stamp (in bangkok it's just a 21 day u/c stamp) you go back on that date and get the year extension inked in THEN you buy a multiple re-entry permit (3800baht) that lets you exit/re-enter the whole year and get stamped in until the end of your extension each time you re-enter

Sadly for you a re-entry permit will not do a thing 😞 All a re-entry permit would do on a single entry 90 day Non-O visa is give you the ability to exit/re-enter DURING that 90 days and get stamped in for the same expiration date <- it does NOT add time to that 90 day stamp. re-entry permit or not you're done after 90 days 😮 Since all the consulates switched over to the eVisa online web-portal the year-long, multi-entry Non-O visa (for marriage, retirement) was discontinued The funds to get the single entry Non-O visa DO NOT need to be seasoned (and can indeed be in a bank account in your country). Unless you're going to meet the requirements to get the year extension inside the country once that 90 days runs down, (by having 400k baht in a thai bank account in your name only for 2 months) about all you can get from that 90 day Non-O would be a "visit thai family" extension at the immigration office where you live for 60 days <- that doesn't require proof of funds Then when that runs down you'd go buy another 90 day Non-O single entry again. (OR you'd meet the requirements and get the year extension in country)

Good update, sounds like a typical "get off one extension by bouncing and apply for a new Non-O in country" scenario 1 - Exited to get off the Non-F extension you'd been on 2 - Entered 60 day visa exempt 3 - Went and applied at your immigration office for the in country Non-O for 2000baht **Waited the under consideration period 4 - Went back and got the Non-O visa and a new 90 day stamp inked in As DrJack54 said once you have 30 days or less left on that 90 day stamp & your 800K baht has been seasoned in the thai bank account in your name only for 2 months you can get all new documentation (bank letter, updated bank book, map, copies, TM30, lease, etc) and apply for the year extension for 1900baht Once they stamp that year extension of stay into your passport you can buy a multiple re-entry permit for 3800baht that will let you exit/re-enter the whole year and get stamped in until the extension you just got expires each time 🙂

Officers are usually pretty good about those "under consideration" stamps and will space them out so they don't hit a holiday 😮 Never the less as people advised just show up at Chaengwattana tomorrow get a queue for section L-2 (the section that "closes out" under consideration stamps based on marriage to a thai) and they'll in the year extension into your passport without much problem Personally I would show up after about 9am that way you let the "zombie horde" 😮 that waits in front of the door for them to open at 8:30 get in, get their queues and get to their sections.

Heads up people thinking of getting their DTV extension in Bangkok out at Chaengwattana Section J Some people are now reporting that they are getting a 2 week "under consideration" stamp and then have to show up that date to get the extension inked in I do not know if this is dependent on category you have your DTV for or what, BUT it is definitely happening Here's a stamp from Wednesday the 5th

Yep, in Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Buriram and a few other places you can indeed apply for a new extension when you have 45 days or less left on your current stamp

It has been a requirement to have a marriage to a thai from abroad registered at the local Amphur (where you get a Kor Ror 22 form) for a number of years. AND Sadly now that the brit embassy doesn't certify marriage certificates anymore you do send it to Milton Keynes, get them to stamp it then get it to the Thai Embassy in London to get it stamped there.. and after that you can register the marriage at the local Amphur to get the Kor Ror 22 (marriage of a thai abroad) form This is an OLD image I took at an agency that explained how to legalize a brit marriage to a thai abroad right after the UK embassy here stopped certifying marriages

Just so you and every other foreigner understands ALL the burma borders are closed to foreigners getting out and back except one Ranong - Kawthaung (Ranong Province) OPEN <-this is the boat crossing you do to burma Mae Sai - Tachileik (Chiang Rai Province) CLOSED Mae Sot - Myawaddy (Tak Province) CLOSED Phu Nam Ron - Htee Kee (Kanchanaburi Province) CLOSED

As a general rule there is not problem applying for a new yearly extension after your current one runs out. I've had friends just forget their renewal date and go as late as 35 days after their extension ran out, pay the 500baht a day fine, then get the year extension no problem at all I was told by an officer as long as the overstay is still accruing the 500 baht a day fine, you can pay the overstay and get the extension. So at least in theory you could apply for a new extension up to the 40th day you overstayed (because the fine caps at 20K after 500 a day for 40 days) A few days isn't gonna matter, BUT far more important than just paying the overstay and getting the extension is the fact you need to not get caught out on ANYTHING during the time you're on overstay before you get the extension as that will run you right off the rails. NOTE; I am not advocating overstay, nor downplaying the risk when you do, only stating in my experience that it is indeed possible to pay an overstay fine and get a new yearly extension

Okay after multiple tries to get the DTV extension of stay criteria paperwork from the main immigration at Chaengwattana Section J over about a month, going there every week to the section that does Tourist Visa & DTV extensions, I finally got it today. The first two pages are the Thai language and the last two are the english Could have already been posted sorry if it was That's the best I could do people 🙂

Just in case people are not familiar with what I call "one-n-done" (a Non-O 90 day visa, one year extension and re-entry permit all issued the same day at the immigration office) This is what the stamps look like. Every immigration officer/office in the country can take one look at those and know you didn't "push your own paper" <- get the visa/extension/re-entry on your own. Remember the standard "time line" for that whole process would be Apply for the 90 day Non-O visa for 2000baht WAIT 2 weeks for the under review period go back get the Non-O visa and new 90 day stamp inked in WAIT 2 months or until you have 30 days or less left on that 90 day stamp go back and apply for the year extension for 1900baht get the re-entry permit That's how people do it when they push their own paper and get their own visa/extensions and it spaces the stamps out over a 2 1/2 month period

Things that CAN help you if you're trying for an extension at the immigration office in in your province after you have an out of province agent gotten Non-O/extension. You needed to have a TM30 filed back at your local immigration office the day you got back after getting the visa, (it has to be filed AFTER you got that visa for them to "count it") Then you needed to be doing 90 day reports at the office that serves the area where you live for as long as you can BEFORE the next extension <- to show you really DO live up there AND You need to go to your office well before your extension comes due (like at least 6 weeks early) to have them look at the Non-O visa/extension stamps AND tell you if they will issue the extension based on those stamps. It's either going to be the stamps or the seasoning of the funds that will run you off the rails getting this next extension As far as your contingency plan to get OFF this current extension and on to a new Non-O visa You can go to the thai consulate in Savannakhet or Vientiane Lao and get a 90 day single entry Non-O visa for 2000baht in just a couple days. They are on the online, you go to Lao, apply online, upload the documents, go to the consulate to pay for the visa, wait for it to be approved. NO need to go back to Oz to get that 90 day Non-O

It is HIGHLY unlikely that you will be able to get a year extension on your own with "same day" Non-O / year extension stamps Those "one-n-done" 15 month retirement visas (even banking your own money) EVERY immigration officer in the country can see the time line is not correct on those stamps. There's no way you could have walked in to immigrations on your own and got those stamps, they will 100% know they were agent gotten by the out of sequence date stamps This is exactly why pattaya agents hold your passport for a month when they do Non-O with year extension, it spreads the stamps out to something that looks at least semi normal 🙂 You clearly didn't follow the 3 months after the extension was issued; which in "real time" (not make believe same day agent gotten time 😮 ) would have been counted from about 2 months after you got the initial Non-O issued) Let's do the math as if you had gotten the Non-O and extension above the table 😉 Getting the Non-O on June 5th, that meant you could have applied for the year extension when you had 30 days or less left on that SO about August 5 would be the soonest at most offices (although some offices allow you to apply for an extension when you have 45 days or less) That means counting from the earliest date you could have really applied for the extension if you did it above the table versus under it, you needed to have the funds in from June 5 to Aug 5 to hit the 2 month before requirement and then keep the funds in for 3 months after that to about 5 Nov before you could have pulled the balance down to 400K baht When you go to get your next yearly extension your immigration office will certainly see that you got a "one-n-done" Non-O/year extension issued the same day. They will know it was agent gotten. If by some wild reasoning they still let you apply for the year extension, when you give them the year detail transaction report from the bank you will not meet the seasoning requirements no matter how you want to count it (actual day you got the year OR actual day you SHOULD have been able to get the year) I've had several people use bangkok agents to get those one-n-done 15 month retirement visas in a day and most people get told by their immigration office next year to either bounce out/back and start OVER above the table or go back to the agent again to get the next year extension. <- meaning you're saddled with an agent for the foreseeable future on the stamps you had Sorry that was long, hopefully marginally helpful