kwilco

3 grunts! Some people clearly take it personally!

Maybe this'll help some understand how they are being taken in...

Unfortunately, that’s exactly the kind of reasoning that allows Nazis—or their modern imitators—to rise. No one said Britain is Weimar; the point is that the same methods are being used: fear, scapegoating, and emotional manipulation of the frustrated. As Churchill warned, “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Trying to nit-pick differences while ignoring the pattern is precisely how ordinary people end up playing into the hands of extremists.

In this context, “reductio ad Hitlerum” (also called Godwin’s Law fallacy) would not apply — and calling it that would itself be a facetious and facile dismissal. A reductio ad Hitlerum is when someone drags Hitler or Nazism into a debate irrelevantly to discredit an opponent (“Hitler was a vegetarian, so vegetarianism is evil”). But my post draws a historically grounded and methodologically accurate comparison: the use of propaganda, scapegoating, and manufactured fear as political tools. That’s not hyperbole — it’s pattern recognition. So if someone calls your comment “reduction ad Hitlerum”, the facetiousness lies in pretending the Nazi example is off-limits even when it clearly applies, and the facility lies in using a Latin tag to avoid engaging with the substance — a rhetorical cop-out dressed as sophistication.

What you’ve described is exactly how the Nazis came to power — real grievances twisted into hatred of the wrong people. Blaming migrants for NHS strain is simply false, and repeating that line is doing precisely what Nazi propaganda did: turning frustration into scapegoating. The rest of your reply only underlines how deeply you’ve missed what’s actually happening in UK politics — the manipulation of fear to keep people angry, divided, and obedient.

I see the "grunters" are out in force! That's a person who lacks either the wit, courage, or vocabulary to form a coherent reply in an online discussion and instead resorts to the primitive act of clicking a red “thumbs down” icon to express disapproval. Like a caveman’s grunt in digital form — low-effort, emotionally driven, and entirely void of argument or insight.

The Nazis blamed Jews for Germany’s decline, recycling old lies until hate felt normal. Today, “Reform” rhetoric does the same with Muslims and immigrants — swapping swastikas for flags but keeping the same poison: invent an enemy, repeat the lie, and watch decent people fall silent as cruelty becomes policy.

QED!

That's exactly how they want you!

There have been polls like this for various 3rd parties over the years – none came to much. The Reform Party haven't even got that number of candidates. Sometimes it pays to look at the source – the Daily mail supported Hitler before WW2 and wanted to stop the Jews from immigrating to UK - some papers just never change their spots

look familiR?

the only person you agreed with..!!

you mean the only person you agreed with....

for letting Israel carry on for 12 months until they thought they'd done enough?

Remember - Buy one and the rest come free!

all that says is how incredible dim your perspective on life is.

Some people need to learn about Dunning Kruger...The Dunning–Kruger effect describes a cognitive bias where people with low knowledge or skill overestimate their competence. This is particularly visible among conspiracy theorists, who often lack the expertise to evaluate evidence but remain supremely confident in their conclusions. Ironically, their ignorance protects them from recognising their own errors — making them too uninformed to know they’re uninformed. Conspiracy believers typically see themselves as independent thinkers or “truth seekers,” but their reasoning often relies on selective anecdotes, pseudo-experts, and an assumption that all mainstream information is false. They fail to understand that the world of science and critical thinking totally dwarfs them. The less they understand, the more they interpret complexity as evidence of a cover-up. Their language is remarkably consistent: “Do your own research.” “Wake up, sheeple.” “They don’t want you to know.” “It’s all connected.” “Follow the money.” “The mainstream media won’t tell you this.” “There are no coincidences.” “If you knew what I know…” Central to it all is the mysterious “They” — a catch-all enemy representing governments, corporations, elites, or shadowy powers supposedly pulling the strings behind every event. Conveniently undefined, “They” can never be proven wrong — only expanded to fit the next theory. Remember the plural of anecdote is not data and Healthy scepticism asks questions; conspiracy thinking assumes the answers.

good grief – you are unbelievable – Of course, when you actually repeat what I say "IT IS THE AMERICAN IMPORTER THAT PAYS THE TARIFF as if it's an argument, it says more about you and Trump than any tariff.

How thick can you get??? Who do you think buys the BMW??? Do you think no American companies pay tariffs??? You realise that what is happening now is that people just aren't doing business with the US like they used to – they realise they don't need to.

This is scary! https://www.facebook.com/reel/2055762511845998/?s=single_unit&__cft__[0]=AZWMRnVcBt09emVAjDre5fsCBW5PAOdkyckbbgY5krmqBCJPr3xLd775ZuU9nJxqqSMlpatB-0vRi_9YBtbLaPxyIS5VvyH0nDjm-mMozehZBOGe0m6kRTJh3PUrK_3y0RhCFynS1eQhrTgAEsW8nHhr4cNMPX6AqDgL7iRjISoaOlYcaXwUOk6kuZX8qIsj2qo&__tn__=H-R

A tariff is a percentage paid to the supplier by the importer - of course they may alter prices ....Many can't or don't need to adjust their pricing. as the goods can't be bought anywhere else. - but that is all irrelevant – whatever they do, IT IS THE AMERICAN IMPORTER THAT PAYS THE TARIFF. Inflation rose slightly in August as companies continued to push the cost of tariffs on to consumers. The newest update to the consumer price index (CPI), which measures a basket of goods and services, showed that prices increased 2.9% over the last year – the highest since January.

I can't believe the number of Americans who don't seem to understand tariffs – they seem to think that it is the other countries that pay. They can't grasp the fact that the importers pay the tariff and that is passed on to the consumer. Tariff inflation is quite different from "normal" inflation, which is general price rises and usually accompanied by salary inflation too. Tariff inflation is just putting the price of goods up in isoltion with no accompanying compensation at all.

You'll still have to pay to cross th bridge – I'm sure there'll be queues too – but how they think the roads on KC will cope is something else.

Guys, guys. She's not "like a slut", you just think like a rapist.

Nice to see you're rereading the whole thread despite what you have said about the insignificance of the topic – of course you've got the wrong end of the stick yet againt again – trivialising it misses the point entirely. Dual pricing isn’t about who can pay—it’s about running national parks sustainably and fairly.”