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In fact at present there is a move to THere is at present a move to improve report and analyse RTIs in the same way they do in Europe. Of course the RTP will be slow on the up take Here's something I wrote earlier....... What the RTP fail to achieve in the event of an RTI Analysing the scene of a collision is a crucial part of any investigation inot a road incident , and it needs to be done in a very systematic way. The initial scene assessment needs to be carried out quickly and thoroughly – in most cases in Thailand it is totally haphazard – this is typically seen as traffic is allowed to pass close or even through the scene. There is a acronym mnemonic for this - “METHANE” : It stands for Make the scene safe, Establish the facts, Treat the injured, Hazards and risks, Access and egress, Notification and Evidence preservation. (this is crucial for finding out what really happened.) Officers are trained to prioritize actions like securing the scene, checking for injuries, and identifying potential hazards. Then the work of sorting out the events can take place. Once the immediate situation is stabilized, a more detailed examination begins. This involves: Physical evidence: E.g. skid marks, debris, vehicle damage, and any other physical traces that can offer clues about the collision's dynamics. Scene measurements are taken and mapped out The scene is meticulously measured and documented Specialized equipment like “total stations” are to create accurate scale diagrams. These are a combination of an electronic distance meter, which uses an infra-red light to measure distance, and a theodolite, or electronic transit. Never seen one used in Thailand. Witness statements: Statements from anyone who witnessed the collision are useful for understanding the sequence of events. They need to be taken very carefully taking into account - Eyewitnesses can be very compelling, but rather than recording experiences flawlessly, memory is susceptible to a plethora of errors and biases. We all make errors in remembering specific details and can even remember whole events that did not actually happen. There is plenty of documented evidence of how most eye witnesses are ultimately unreliable suffering from such things a false biases, false memories and misinformation. (e,g, judging speed) Then vehicles involved are inspected for mechanical issues, damage patterns, and potential digital data like airbag control module readings. Tachographs if fitted In more major or complicated collisions, the digital specialists are called in e.g Forensic Collision Investigators (FCIs): For serious collisions, FCIs have further specialized training and equipment to conduct in-depth scene examinations and reconstructions. They can use techniques like 3D scanning/modelling of the scene for more detailed analysis. They can also extract and interpret data from vehicle electronic control units (e.g. - ECUs). Then there is accident reconstruction software which will recreate or simulate the collision based on gathered evidence to understand its dynamics. After all this has been done the reporting and analysis is carried out. The findings are documented in a comprehensive report that includes: Scene diagrams and photographs. Witness statements and interview summaries. Vehicle examination reports. Any specialist analysis results. Conclusions and recommendations based on the evidence. UK has the one of the lowest road death rates in the world, Thailand one of the highest – a significant fact in this is the lamentable lack of data taken from RTIs. Things you never see in Thailand - scene preservation is paramount yet the Thai police fail to close off accident scenes or even the road. . The scene is secured to prevent contamination or alteration of evidence. Apart from occasional drug/alcohol of drivers testing potential criminal aspects are left unchecked. Most of the investigation is left to under-trained local police not a specific accident investigation unit. I’ve never seen any advanced technology used in role in scene analysis. Tools like drones and 3D scanning enhancing data collection and reconstruction capabilities. What do you get in Thailand? A statement to the press in an impossibly short space of time that sums up the incident in a series of clichés that appear to be designed to make the whole thing go away ASAP. Nothing is learn, roads are left damaged with oil and cargoes seeping into the nearby environment and water table and blame is apportioned regardless of what actually happened. Even worse are the comments by totally uninformed amateurs who every time a crash is reported on EL forums see fit to chime in with the same old rubbish largely based on anecdotal observations, racist and stereotypical generalisations of “all Thais are bad drivers and deserve what they get” –“expats re all superior and superb drivers”

If you've tread any of my stuff, you know I have written lots about crash reporting and their failures and that is the whole point of my initial comment - I think you missed the irony IOt is one of the conferences where crash analysis and statistics gathering will be discussed - https://conferenceindex.org/event/international-conference-on-road-safety-management-icrsm-2025-february-phuket-th

QED

you don't gettit, you mean - you clearly have no idea what is gping on in road safety in Thailand and you just think by saying "it will never change" you are making an intellgent comment - well all that says is you understand nothing. As for your refeencinthe media like that - you really need to review you ability to reference or interpret evidence

You seem to been hiding your ignorance with cynicism. Road crashes cost Thailand trillions of baht every year and only with proper analyses of crashes can one formulate a way forward.

there is a filter lane for people coming out of that tunnel....... I wonder if the police accident unit have drawn up a map of the paths of both of those vehicles?

The ethics at play here are relevant. He doesn't have I surance and this may be affecting his treatment. The lack of I surnce is of concern but so is the lack of diagnosis.

you are failing to understand your own anti-imigrant bigotry. You are making false categories to hide it.

you're making up false excuses for immigration depending on country and you personal bigotry.

QED - bigotry in action - they are working illegally

...and there you go!

People complaining about how this guy was detained are the first to do this to immigrants in their home country.

A few years back I was offered a job with EF – I turned it down because I felt they weren’t so much as an education company as a cult. EF spends a lot of time publicising its English Proficiency Index (EPI), which ranks countries based on English language ability. However, experts and analysts question the validity of EF’s rankings, as they are based solely on test results from self-selected participants rather than comprehensive national assessments. As I said before critics argue that EF’s rankings may be influenced by marketing strategies rather than objective linguistic data. Although EF Education First is a leader in global language education, but there are controversies hanging like a cloud over this company which suggest there is a need for greater oversight and transparency. There are serious issues related to teacher hiring, student safety, and host family selection indicate systemic challenges that the company must address to maintain trust and credibility in the educational sector. Until EF implements stricter safeguards and more transparent policies, scepticism about its operations and rankings is likely to persist. Also the media need to be careful about uncritically publishing their rankings as their compilation seems pretty dubious

As of 2017, EF had approximately 52,000 employees in 116 countries

You really don't gettit? Myanmar is the name used by the military Junta - both names go back in history - but I'm not going to cow-tow to the Junta - especially as they are losing the civil war at present. So perhaps you need to get up ro=to speed on the history and politics of BURMA! BTW - got anything to say about English Language in Burma or are you just engrossed trying not to look daft??

Burma uses English a lot. If you holiday in spouthern Thailand, you'll find a lot of the hotel staff who speak English well are Burmese.

oth are grammatically correct, but they have slightly different meanings depending on context: "Hasn't trained to teach" – This suggests that the person has not undergone training to become a teacher up to the present moment. It emphasizes an ongoing state of not having trained. Example: She wants to become a teacher, but she hasn't trained to teach yet. "Wasn't trained to teach" – This implies that in the past, the person did not receive training to teach. It focuses on a completed past event. Example: He was hired as a tutor, but he wasn't trained to teach formally. QED

th it evidence based!

Repeating yourself louder doesn’t make you right. You keep insisting ‘we understand’ while proving, over and over, that you don’t. Saying ‘attitudes won’t change’ is just defeatist nonsense. And shows how what little grasp you have of the topic. Plenty of countries have improved road safety through systemic changes—better laws, enforcement, and education. You don’t fix a broken system by blaming individuals while ignoring what shaped their behaviour. You probably don’t know of the conference coming up on the 26/7th Feb - "Roads & Traffic Expo Thailand" is a road safety conference held in Thailand in February, taking place on February 26-27, 2025 at BITEC, Bangkok. Will you be there? And your bizarre rant about women? That just exposes your mindset—you think problems are ‘ingrained’ rather than fixable. That’s the lazy excuse of someone who’d rather complain than think critically. And now you have returned to using the word “culture” in a way racists do to try and deflect from the fact they are basically racist ideas. As I said before there is stupid, stupider and racist – and so long as you think along those lines you will NEVER understand how to deal with road safety in Thailand. It seems the irony of including the definition of assumption is lost on you? everything you've posted on this thread - EVERYTHING - is assumption or suposition - you have not backed it with any evidence or factual support anywhere

supposition and assumption - you key 'skills" and ad hom!

You think you understand. I notice now you are just gainsaying but infact you have moved your goalposts - so slowly you are learning.

Except not with English but with medical training - think about that next time you are in a hospital

We all do! I think he posts on this thread!

but you are speaking like a teacher who has never trained to teach...

I'm dyslexic too, but it didn't prevent me from learning critical thinking. Assumptions are the mark of a fool,