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You said it yourself — would you really risk waiting? You do realise, I hope, that an animal can be infectious with rabies long before showing symptoms, and may not show signs for days or even weeks. That’s the danger. The whole point of rabies treatment is eliminating any risk, because the stakes aren’t just high — they’re final. No doctor is going to say, “Let’s wait and see.” That’s not how rabies protocols work. It sounds like you skimmed Google in a panic, but you’re not grasping what you found. There’s a big difference between searching and researching. Google isn’t a source — it’s a tool. And without the skill to use it critically, you’re just reinforcing what you already want to believe.

exact opposite....you're kidding yourslef You're dismissing 70+ years of virology, microscopy, genome sequencing, and countless peer-reviewed studies because of a few cherry-picked FOI requests and YouTube-level “gotchas.” Viruses have been isolated, sequenced, and imaged — thousands of times. Just because you don’t understand the methods doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Skepticism isn’t refusing all evidence. That’s just denial with a thesaurus.

Not quite right — and potentially dangerous advice. - There is a strong case for getting the preventative rabies vaccine (pre-exposure) if you’re living in or frequently travelling to rabies-endemic countries like Thailand. It won’t stop you needing more jabs if bitten, but it simplifies treatment and buys you critical time. Once exposed, you do not have 10 days to decide. Rabies can incubate for weeks or months, yes — but once symptoms start, it’s game over. No cure. You should start treatment immediately. As we don’t know when symptoms will start – (see the case of the woman in Morocco) Remember, you won’t have time to “shop around” for prices or availability. Rabies Immune Globulin (RIG), which is essential for those not previously vaccinated, is expensive and not always available at every hospital — especially in rural or smaller provinces. Yes, washing the wound thoroughly is crucial but not a cure – just don’t stop there. (it is also a help against other infections of the wound) And no! you can’t wait for the animal to be tested — not unless it's a domestic pet under observation. Street animals? You’ll never find them again. By the time the animal is showing systems or tested it may well be too late for you Bottom line: Treat any bite or scratch as urgent. Get to a hospital immediately. The vaccine is a hassle. Rabies is worse.

You've missed th point. The prices for these jabs very tremendously you have given some actual prices and I think we should know which hospitals. THere problems with Rabies shots is they are subject to various inconsustancies - supplies run low, the imoglobin and be hard to find especially in rural areas and without. a doubt some hospitals engage in price gouging. I mentioned the price I paid (albeit a long time ago) in Patay of 420 baht - this is the show how cheap it can be for instance see the range below starting at 353 baht perdose. Bangkok Hospital: Offers a 2-dose package for THB 3,300. Wellmed Bangkok Clinic: Charges THB 780 per dose. Thai Travel Clinic: Offers Verorab or Chirorab vaccines for THB 353 per dose (excluding doctor's fee, hospital fee, and registration fee). Sadly hospitlas know they hold all the cards when it comes to rabie and some behave very unscrupulously. In addition the major hospitals may charge additional fees for consultations, administration, or other services. obviously if you haven't had a pre-exposure course, you are more vulnerable to overcharging as you have more restrictions on time.

where?

Yet you seem to have a huge amount in your brain!

I really don't know why I bother.... “Science is always ready to be corrected” — yes, absolutely. But correction requires evidence, not just vibes and a hunch that measles “isn’t a virus.” Science updates itself through data, peer review, and rigorous testing — not by someone shouting "I don’t believe in viruses" on a forum. Saying “measles isn’t a virus” isn’t correcting science — it’s denying 70 years of virology, microscopy, and genomic sequencing. That’s not how science works. That’s how Facebook comment sections work.

The tragic case of this British woman who died after being scratched by a puppy in Morocco is a sobering reminder. If your skin is BROKEN by any mammal – bite or scratch – you are potentially exposed to rabies. In Thailand, any doctor will tell you: it’s standard practice to get a course of rabies jabs after an animal bite or scratch. The chances of infection may be low – but the outcome, if untreated, is always fatal. No second chances. Crucially, animals can carry and transmit rabies before showing any symptoms. So don’t wait around “to see if it looks sick.” By the time it does, it's too late for you. And don’t assume it’s just stray dogs you need to worry about. In this recent case, it was a puppy. In Thailand, puppies – especially those in markets or on the street – are not vaccinated. They can easily carry and spread rabies. People let their guard down because they’re cute. Thailand is considered rabies-endemic. Outbreaks are rare, but deaths still occur every year – often because someone didn’t think a small scratch mattered. So remember: if you're bitten or scratched – even lightly – get medical advice immediately. Rabies is 100% preventable if treated early. And 100% fatal if not.

Rabies are a course of jabs - shop around....I got mine free in UK and after being "scratched" by a dog in Pattaya got the follow up for about 420 bht, but I've heard of people paying ten or twenty times this.

It's not a "booster" - the first gives one kind of protection (Human Rabies Immune Globulin (HRIG) ) and buys you time to get the 2 other jabs instead of 4 or 5.....the intial jab is sometimes difficult to find so having it already can save your life. You also have to think of the cost which can be incredibly overcharged in Thailand at the main hospitals. typically the initial jabs last for 1 to 2 years.

THe fact that this is a "crackdown" - kind of admits they were doing nothing about before?

Science is the understanding of nature, not a mythical misinterpretation...love to hear your theories on ecology...but I digress.... What wes see here is the final boss of medical misinformation: Measles isn’t viral. Virology is a fraud. The immune system is actually a “maintenance system.” And — plot twist! — COVID was just a cover-up for 5G. What an achievement! This isn’t just cherry-picking — it’s the fruit salad of conspiracy theories. Decades of global science, microscopes, epidemiology, genome sequencing, Nobel Prizes — all tossed out in favour of “my mate sent me a video.” Outstanding. The idea that "symptoms are the cure" is especially inspired. Fever? Rash? Respiratory failure? Don’t worry — your body’s just giving itself a spa day. Very holistic. Possibly fatal. And now we’re off to the races with 5G. Because of course. Nothing says robust medical critique like blaming telecommunications infrastructure for a respiratory virus. Truly, if ignorance were a renewable energy source, this post could power Bangkok for a month. P.S. On a serious note — when someone rejects all of modern science, insists viruses aren’t real, and blames 5G for pandemics, it stops being a debate and starts to raise questions about their grip on reality. Not all misinformation is harmless — and not all of it is entirely rational. But it’s always fascinating when someone dismisses all of modern science — virology, immunology, epidemiology — while using a computer powered by physics, microchips, satellites, and wireless signals to post about how “science is a fraud.” Irony must be immune to 5G.

trouble is, he doesn't know the difference - conspiracy promoters, know this and make use of it.

You’ve been duped again or duped yourself - “Vaccines caused measles outbreaks in Texas, Canada & Hawaii” — this is complete nonsense. It’s classic conspiracy logic: confuse correlation with causation, cherry-pick headlines, and ignore what public health data actually says. In Ontario, the measles outbreak led to a vaccination campaign — not the other way around. Public Health Ontario confirms the vast majority of cases were in unvaccinated individuals. The blog being cited isn’t a scientific source; it’s a Substack with an agenda. In Texas, the outbreaks occurred in areas with declining vaccination rates — again, among the unvaccinated. Hawaii? There was no significant measles outbreak at all. That claim appears either invented or badly misunderstood. And no, the MMR vaccine isn’t “gain-of-function” or contagious. It uses a weakened virus that can’t cause measles in healthy people. A mild rash after vaccination isn’t an outbreak — it’s the immune system doing its job. Vaccination campaigns happen because of outbreaks, not the other way around. If vaccines caused measles, we’d see outbreaks in vaccinated populations — but we don’t. P.S. - One of the classic tactics of conspiracy theorists is to rely on dodgy sources and half-quoted studies, because they know most people won’t bother to dig into them. It’s misinformation wrapped in lazy thinking. If the OP actually researched these claims instead of Googling for confirmation bias, he’d see how absurd they really are. Or at the very least, he might stop and think: “Does that even sound remotely true?” Because honestly — it doesn’t.

you are determined not to gettit?? Ah yes, measles cases go up, people panic and rush to get vaccinated — and somehow that’s “proof” the vaccine caused the outbreak? That’s like saying umbrellas cause rain. 🙄 You’re confusing correlation with causation. Vaccination surged because cases did — not the other way around. And raw case numbers without context (like population size or vax coverage) are classic cherry-picking. Measles spreads where vaccination is low. That’s not a mystery, that’s epidemiology.

Thai attitudes to Doctors and medicines are really interesting - one of the reasons for so many snake bite deaths, is that people go to a local herbalist first - then it's too late. Also even mainstream hospitals often have quack/alternative practitioners operating within their walls....including MacDonalds!

For those with any sanity still left…. You might be wondering do conspiracy theorists never change their minds? – Various reasons…. Like because facts are scary and being “the only one who knows the truth” feels amazing. Cognitive dissonance: Admitting they’re wrong would cause emotional whiplash, so they just pretend the evidence is part of the conspiracy. Confirmation bias: They Google until they find someone on YouTube in a beanie who agrees with them — case closed. Paranoia: They don’t trust experts, doctors, journalists, scientists — but that guy with a blog from his shed? Totally reliable. Dunning-Kruger effect: They read three memes and now think they understand immunology better than people with PhDs. Identity politics for loners: Being “awake” is their whole personality now. Changing their mind would mean becoming... normal. Or worse still, WOKE! It’s not always stupidity. (Except for the obvious ones I’ve noted before) But it’s never curiosity, humility, or critical thinking either. …and for those who are interested in my earlier checklist here’s how to get started as a tin-foil cadet Begin by feeling confused or powerless — then stumbling into some clickbait video at 2am that “explains everything.” (Alcohol or other brain damage drugs help) and suddenly, every expert is a liar, every coincidence is a plot, and they’re the hero who “sees through it all.” Add a few echo chambers, a sprinkle of algorithmic doom, and boom — they’re off, doing “research” on websites that wouldn’t pass a Year 9 science project. ..........And once they buy into one conspiracy, it’s like Pringles — they can’t stop. Believe the moon landing was faked? Suddenly 5G causes COVID, Bill Gates is injecting microchips, and the Earth might be flat if you squint hard enough. It’s less a belief system, more a starter pack for abandoning reality.

Dear God…., the "measles isn't real, it's just your body detoxing vaccines" routine — brought to you by people who think viruses are a hoax and rashes are personal growth. Measles is a viral infection, confirmed by decades of virology, lab isolation, and (sadly) preventable deaths. Saying "the symptoms are the cure" is like claiming a house fire is just your home releasing emotional baggage. This isn’t clarification — it’s anti-science word salad with a sprinkle of delusion. Congrats — you’ve unlocked the full Conspiracy Theory Bingo Card: viruses don’t exist, symptoms are healing, vaccines are poison, and measles is just a detox. Only thing missing is 5G and chemtrails. I have to say It’s genuinely impressive how confidently wrong someone can be. Like watching someone argue the Earth is flat while using GPS. A masterclass in being misinformed and proud of it.

oh dear (sigh again) You're just reinforcing your own hopeless image - you just don't understand numbers... “Top two vaccinated states have the most cases”? That’s like saying the biggest cities have the most car crashes — because they have more cars. It’s cherry-picking 101. Try comparing rates, not raw numbers, if you’re aiming for truth over clickbait. Also, “Vigilant Fox” isn’t a source. It’s a meme farm in a trench coat. Has it also occured to you that some states without proper vaccine programs also suppress results?

THey are using a well documented false argument. - A false argument, or logical fallacy, is one that may sound convincing but contains a flaw in reasoning that makes it invalid or misleading. These flaws can be either deliberate i.e. Red - (to manipulate) or unintentional ( e.g - Stiddle Mump and Rattlesnake - from misunderstanding or poor logic). Either way, they lead to unsupported or incorrect conclusions. In this case, we’re looking at the “false appeal to authority” fallacy. This happens when someone cites an authority figure who lacks relevant expertise as if their opinion alone proves the argument. Just because someone is a “Dr.” or appears confident on YouTube doesn’t mean they know what they’re talking about—especially if their field of expertise has nothing to do with the topic. And yes—there’s a whole list of logical fallacies out there, and once you learn them, you’ll spot them all the time. Especially in the arguments of anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. They really are that predictable.

Sigh! - Now you’re a double feature: misunderstanding vaccines and statistics. Bold move! Oh Dear! - As for “I know several unvaccinated kids who are perfectly healthy”—that’s not a gotcha, it’s just proof you don’t understand how big numbers work. Public health is about probabilities, not your mate’s kid with strong genes and good luck. Anecdotes don’t trump data, they just reveal you think “sample size: six” is peer-reviewed research. Let me elucidate…There’s no contradiction in saying you’re alive because of past vaccines and that unvaccinated people can freeload off herd immunity—for a while. That’s how population-level immunity works: it protects the whole group, including the selfish tagalongs. But when too many opt out, the protection collapses. Congrats, you’re the free rider on a train you claim doesn’t exist. You're not the exception that disproves the rule. You're the reason we have to keep explaining it.

Ah, the old "gotcha" fallacy wrapped in victim cosplay. No contradiction here, just basic epidemiology: You can freeload off herd immunity—until enough people do it, and then the whole thing collapses. You're alive because of the vaccines you did get, not despite them. So yes, you’re a piggybacker and would be dead without past immunisation. Amazing how cause and effect can coexist, isn’t it? But please, keep lecturing us about logic. Preferably from a safe distance.

So You Want to Be a Tin-Foil Hatter? A Step-by-Step Guide to Ditching Reality... 1. "Do Your Own Research" Watch a YouTube doc filmed in a van by TruthSeeker88. Bonus points if it's banned everywhere except Rumble. Research tip: Stop Googling once you agree with yourself. That's science, right? 2. Trust Random Dudes with “Dr.” in Their Username Ignore scientists—listen to a chiropractor with a podcast and a healing crystal side hustle. If they’ve never treated a patient but have opinions, you're in safe hands. 3. "Natural Is Better" Celebrate nature, but ignore that it invented botulism, leprosy, and death-by-worm. Drink essential oils and call it a cleanse. Ignore that hemlock is also natural—so was the plague. 4. Just Asking Endless, Leading Questions “I’m just asking questions” = I already know the answer, but want to sound deep. Ask more than a toddler. Accept fewer answers than a brick wall. 5. Graphs That Would Make Excel Cry One scary bar chart = undeniable proof. Especially if the y-axis is missing and it was made in MS Paint. If one vaccine had a reaction once, ban all of science. Also: outlaw cars, chairs, and peanuts. 6. Big Pharma = Big Bad Believe all diseases are invented to sell you pills. Insider tip: Every cure is secretly a plot by reptilian billionaires. (Also available in a 10-hour documentary.) 7. Trust Your Immune System (and Kale) Reject all vaccines because you eat chia seeds and jog. “My body can handle anything” – Famous last words of people in medieval Europe. 8. Magic Crystals Over Medicine Fight viruses with vibes, herbs, and something called “quantum detox resonance.” Medicine is a scam. But moon-charged kombucha? Now that’s healing. 9. Call Everyone Else "Sheeple" Proudly declare you're a free thinker... by copy-pasting Facebook posts from 2015. Echo other free thinkers, but louder. That’s how truth works. 10. Lead With Panic, Not Proof Shout “TOXIC!” and “DEADLY!” as often as possible.Who needs evidence when fear feels so right? Just remember: horror movies are scary too—and nobody uses those as a medical source. (Yet.) Pass mark = 1/10 Congratulations! You're now fully qualified to ignore consensus, cherry-pick paranoia, and repel logic like it’s a vaccine. ( further restrictions may apply, no intelligence required, objects in the your mirror may not be the same as reality - Tin foil sold separately).

QED!

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