kwilco

a very glib response which shows a lack of understanding of the issues.

no it won't - not significantly and you are barking up the wrong tree.. .statistically between 75% and 80% of deaths are riders and passengers of 2-wheeled vehicle - 4-wheeled vehicles you are actually LESS likely to die than in the US.

pointing out single issues just shows a lack of appreciation of the road safety situation in Thailand. Do you seriously think that raomving passengers from the back of pickups will "cure" Thailand's raod safety ills? The truth is there needs to be a comprehensive understanding of the problems and a systematic holistic approach - piece meal bandaids don't work.

there are LESS fatalities

How is a reduction in accidents and deaths a surge??????

QED

and had death threats

Koh Tao has problems both of perception and reality – and the people on the island who are for one reason or another reluctant to look at th evidence. If anyone has doubts about KT, just look at the posts of frank83628 and you’ll get an idea of the weakness or rather total lack of the arguments of the denialists. Instead of arguing to the contrary they are reduced to attacking the message rather than the messenger. Every time they do this they weaken their position as they show they have nothing to say Whether their denials are because they are conned by the Chao Pho or they just too blinkered to get it or plain and simple cognitive bias I couldn’t say. Once they have started down the road of denial it’s hard to admit they are wrong….especially if they are intellectually challenged and can’t form an argument. or maybe they are just minions? Anyone applies critical thinking to Koh Tao will see there is something wrong there – it’s not unusual as it exists all over Thailand, however here it is pushing the envelope beyond. Defining what exactly is going on is more difficult.

If people are interested in getting more info on notorious Koh Yao, I'd suggst listening to The Curse of the Turtle - The True Story of Thailand’s “Backpacker Murders” by By: Suzanne Buchanan Narrated by: Eileen Buckley It's available on Audible and some other outlets too.

It's been pretty clear that AN have had issues from before they had the name change.... huge increases in advertising and popups etc.lack of real news content...unable to use certain sources. I recently noticed how AN had started to use Thaiger as a news source which I thought was highly questionable. Take the money and run? How old are the original founders? By joining with Thaiger the first obvious factor is the reduction in choice. The second is the almost unbelievably low quality of content on Thaiger... both news and forums. Some of it worrying some just laughable. Thailand has a uniquely large population of Western foreigners and forums like AN or rather ThaiVisa have for years been a useful source of information and debate. Thaiger has shown they are incapable of doing this. By promulgation misinformation and appealing to populist prejudices, does this mark and end to useful information for those foreigners living in Thailand?

I see the denialists a panicking

if you own the car, it is very easy especially after the first time. Thailand and Laos have an agreement. You need a "purple book" the car "passport" This costs about 250 baht and is available from any DLT office. Takes about 1 or 2 hours. Valid passport for at least six months with a few blank pages - You'll generally need at least two to four blank pages in your passport for entry stamps. Original blue/green book (vehicle registration document) Photocopies of the passport bio page and vehicle registration document (2 copies each) Valid driver's license (an International Driving Permit is recommended but not needed fir a Thai d/l) Temporary import permit (obtained at the Thai border) don't lose this its required for re entry) Lao vehicle insurance (can be obtained at the border costs about 500 baht) Passport photo (for Laos visa on arrival, if required) Laos temp import documents obtained on entry I used to cross regularly. From the centre of Savannakhet to Big C in Mukdahan would take about 35 minutes. The fact is that many vehicles cross back and forth between Thailand and Laos every day and once you know the procedure, it is the quickest way to cross the border. You don't even have to hand your passport in fir a Laos VOA as they will often process it along with your vehicle.

so when someone from AN moves to Thaiger it raises the IQ of both parties,

No Sealioning – comes from the noise a sealion makes – it is similar to a small kid who finds he can get an adult’s attention by repeating the word “why?” A Sea-Lion never provides their own facts or logic, or discuss the actual words of the person they sealion. They claim to be in a cordial discussion, and from there essentially play a game of chicken with their opponent. When the other person doesn’t answer their facile or irrelevant requests, the sealion then tries declaring them self a “winner” of the debate by default. It’s a kind of online harassment disguised as a civil debate. The main characteristics are thus….. Relentless requests for evidence: The person will pepper you with questions, often repetitive or irrelevant, demanding evidence for even basic points. Feigning sincerity: They'll act interested in having a genuine discussion, but it's a facade. Their real goal is to wear you down. They might use polite language but their requests are intended to be annoying and exhausting. Imagine someone constantly asking for proof for well-known facts, pretending they don't understand. That's sealioning in a nutshell.

As a reminder, here's the list of incidents on Koh Tao in the last 20 years or so..... List of some of the deaths rapes etc. on Koh Tao. It isn’t necessarily complete but it gives some idea of the situation there. 2002 – Viret Asaiachin shot dead in broad daylight – an organised crime like assassination. Japanese tourist died after drinking game 2004- The case is of a woman named Yoshie “Sharlyn” Sazawa that lived on the island for 12 years and worked as a scuba instructor before her untimely death. Put down to suicide. 2006 – SAMUI - as missing 21-year-old backpacker Katherine Horton, from a small town near Cardiff. Beaten into submission with a parasol on Samui's Lamai beach the previous evening, Horton had been raped twice before being left to drown in the sea near to the resort where she had been staying - https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2006/apr/08/travelnews.weekendmagazine American engineer Kris Perkins, who's been running a bar in the main beach resort of Chaweng since 2003. He was critically injured when he was shot twice by a Thai gangster after remonstrating with rowdy party-goers at a guesthouse above his bar. It is clear that at least earlier in this century, Samui itself suffered from the same “gangster-style” shootings rapes and murders. Surely as the island became more and more populated those sorts of “chao por” moved back to other islands 2012 - Ben Harrington,32, died when he crashed during a moped ride – allegedly robbed 2013 - Tony Cordullo - owner of the Lotus bar 2014 - Nick Pearson, 25, from the UK. On New Year’s Day in 2014, he was found floating in a bay beneath a 15m cliff. He had no broken bones. Police ruled out foul play but his family believe he was murdered. 2014 - Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, 24, from the UK. In September 2014, the couple were found bludgeoned to death close to where they were staying. Ms Witheridge had been raped. Two Burmese bar workers were found guilty of their murders the following year and sentenced to death. 2016 - Luke Miller, from the Isle of Wight, was reportedly found floating in a pool on the island. 2015 - Dimitri Povse, 29, from France. On New Year’s Day in 2015, he was found hanging in a bungalow. Police ruled his death a suicide but couldn’t explain why his hands were tied behind his back. 2015 - Christina Annesley, 23, from the UK and born in New Zealand. In January 2015, she was said to have died of natural causes after mixing antibiotics with alcohol. No toxicology report was conducted. Her family are suspicious. 2015 - Valentina Novozhyonova, 23, from Russia. In March 2015, she vanished from her hostel, with her mobile phone, passport and camera left behind. She is still missing. 2016 - Luke Miller, 24, from the UK. In January 2016, he was found at the bottom of a swimming pool at the Sunset Bar at Sairee Beach. His family has accused police of a cover-up. 2016 - Luke Miller, from the Isle of Wight, was reportedly found floating in a pool on the island. 2017 - Elise Dallemagne, 30, of Belgium. In April 2017, she was found hanged in the jungle. Questions surround her death. - Police said Belgian tourist Elise Dallemagne committed suicide on Koh Tao but her family believe otherwise 2018 - June 2018 - German Bernd Grotsch's body was found at his home deep in the jungle in the Mae Haad part of Koh Tao. He had recently returned to the island after building up a motorbike rental business. 2018 – August – alleged drug rape of a British teenager. Cops refused to investigate, then threatened to prosecute her for leaving the island 2018 - October 9, 2018 - Alexandr Bucspun, 33, from Moldova, was found dead in the sea off Had Sai Ree on Koh Tao on Tuesday,. 2018 - 17/12/2018 - Rocio Leticia Gomez 39 from Argentina was lost at sea, rescued but died 4 days later. Another tragedy kept quiet!! 2019 - June– Samyak Choudhray – drowned whilst snorkelling 2020 a tourist was attacked with a knife by a well-known character of the island 2021 - A millionaire hotel tycoon and his wife have been found dead in a luxury resort on Koh Tao, colloquially known as Death Island. 2023 - Nicholas Giblin passed away in his sleep. This is probably true. He was apparently a perfectly healthy person with no known illnesses. But his death has highlighted the problem of Koh Tao, which now has a reputation and the local police do nothing to alleviate this.

Is that a resort on KT?

I've written above on this topic...only you don't get it.... why do you think that is?

I take it you don't have a car?

It's also very common for "1000's" of dim people not to realise how dim their comments are

You started the argument - I just made some observations - you seem to have a very low level of deduction. What are you implying? Lots of people drink og KT, but they don't suddenly disappear and turn up dead. However people are more likely to get into trouble with other people after drinking and KT is famous for suspicious deaths and poor police inbvestigations.

So it is supposition and a facile assessment based on nothing.

If you have a car, drive over.

Apparently in Chonburi Rayong over 50% industrial waste is dumped in ground filling that is unprepared or unsuitable for it.

well if you live in Pattaya,or anywhere in Chonburi or Rayong provinces then you need to move.

Sorry if you don't understand, but not surprised.