kwilco

The more you post the more you reveal you lack of understanding of the issues. You fixate upon things about which you know nothing. You are making uneducated guesses and drawing inferences that are just risible

what does that even mean?

do you remember Taksin bailing someone out a few years back? Maybe that will help?

THis is how the ruling elite get rid of people they don't agree with - just keep throwing spurious charges at them which keeps them out of power....no need to assassinate or imprison one of their own

So you witnessed this?

You think that in any way is an argument to my post? The fact is your post is an example of how people totally misread an incident even if what the driver said was true...if you READ my post you'd understand why either way your post is not tenable. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you tge right to ask me to stop. This is a discussion about an accident and my point is that many on this thread including yourself seem to have no idea how to assess an RTI even yor conckusion that "If that's true than the bus driver must go to jail for being an idiot driver" This just indicates how little you seem to understand about this topic.

You will also know that road markings are tested for friction properties - never seen one here - the lines themselves are a danger - especially to motorcycles. people look at th wide new roads here and have no idea how far they fall behind international safety standards.

Sadly you don't even begin to understand th basics of road safety and just resort to racist generalisations. I expect you think the earth is flat because you can see it is?

oil on the road requires the whole area to be resurfaced. failure to do this will result in deterioration of the surface as well as traction qualities One also need to take measures to curb environmental damage as it can get into local water and water supplies.

What the RTP fail to achieve in the event of an RTI .... Analysing the scene of a collision is a crucial part of any investigation inot a road incident , and it needs to be done in a very systematic way. The initial scene assessment needs to be carried out quickly and thoroughly – in most cases in Thailand it is totally haphazard – this is typically seen as traffic is allowed to pass close or even through the scene. There is a acronym mnemonic for this - “METHANE” : It stands for Make the scene safe, Establish the facts, Treat the injured, Hazards and risks, Access and egress, Notification and Evidence preservation. (this is crucial for finding out what really happened.) Officers are trained to prioritize actions like securing the scene, checking for injuries, and identifying potential hazards. Then the work of sorting out the events can take place. Once the immediate situation is stabilized, a more detailed examination begins. This involves: Physical evidence: E.g. skid marks, debris, vehicle damage, and any other physical traces that can offer clues about the collision's dynamics. Scene measurements are taken and mapped out The scene is meticulously measured and documented Specialized equipment like “total stations” are to create accurate scale diagrams. These are a combination of an electronic distance meter, which uses an infra-red light to measure distance, and a theodolite, or electronic transit. Never seen one used in Thailand. Witness statements: Statements from anyone who witnessed the collision are useful for understanding the sequence of events. They need to be taken very carefully taking into account - Eyewitnesses can be very compelling, but rather than recording experiences flawlessly, memory is susceptible to a plethora of errors and biases. We all make errors in remembering specific details and can even remember whole events that did not actually happen. There is plenty of documented evidence of how most eye witnesses are ultimately unreliable suffering from such things a false biases, false memories and misinformation. (e,g, judging speed) Then vehicles involved are inspected for mechanical issues, damage patterns, and potential digital data like airbag control module readings. Tachographs if fitted In more major or complicated collisions, the digital specialists are called in e.g Forensic Collision Investigators (FCIs): For serious collisions, FCIs have further specialized training and equipment to conduct in-depth scene examinations and reconstructions. They can use techniques like 3D scanning/modelling of the scene for more detailed analysis. They can also extract and interpret data from vehicle electronic control units (e.g. - ECUs). Then there is accident reconstruction software which will recreate or simulate the collision based on gathered evidence to understand its dynamics. After all this has been done the reporting and analysis is carried out. The findings are documented in a comprehensive report that includes: Scene diagrams and photographs. Witness statements and interview summaries. Vehicle examination reports. Any specialist analysis results. Conclusions and recommendations based on the evidence. UK has the one of the lowest road death rates in the world, Thailand one of the highest – a significant fact in this is the lamentable lack of data taken from RTIs. Things you never see in Thailand - scene preservation is paramount yet the Thai police fail to close off accident scenes or even the road. . The scene is secured to prevent contamination or alteration of evidence. Apart from occasional drug/alcohol of drivers testing potential criminal aspects are left unchecked. Most of the investigation is left to under-trained local police not a specific accident investigation unit. I’ve never seen any advanced technology used in role in scene analysis. Tools like drones and 3D scanning enhancing data collection and reconstruction capabilities. What do you get in Thailand? A statement to the press in an impossibly short space of time that sums up the incident in a series of clichés that appear to be designed to make the whole thing go away ASAP. Nothing is learn, roads are left damaged with oil and cargoes seeping into the nearby environment and water table and blame is apportioned regardless of what actually happened. Even worse are the comments by totally uninformed amateurs who every time a crash is reported on EL forums see fit to chime in with the same old rubbish largely based on anecdotal observations, racist and stereotypical generalisations of “all Thais are bad drivers and deserve what they get” –“expats re all superior and superb drivers” Who needs to grow up???

cognitive dissonance - you are not in a position to make any of those comments... THe fact you are basing your comments on the media press release and your own prejudices just shows how naive people are. - you're not even a witness - they are notoriously unreliable.

no I'm talking about insurance and definition of a scooter - which you clearly don't know. You actually get halfway there as you now admit it is a "variety" of motorcycle - there is no such thing as a "scooter licence" under the Vienna convention - so how could you be licenced or insured to drive one in THailand. Your insurance looks as if it covers the insured for a peddle scooter! - check out skateboards BTW - the "scooter" shown in the illustration has a hand-operated clutch so by the wiki definition, it isn't a scooter. I've attached the IDP vehicle categories - as you can see there is no such thing as a scooter (or MPV, SUV, sportscar etc etc)

You aren't answering / can't answer the question - you simply don't understand the problem and are probably uninsured yourself The OP is about "insurance debacle" - you have failed to define what your insurance company calls a scooter - wiki claims scooters must be fully automatic - the original Vespas were not - whay about the other vehicles which ones does YOUR insurance company allow you to drive? I don't appear to be able to answer - which is the problem th OP had.

It takes 2 to tailgate. What you re saying anecdotal based on personal assumption it is the misinformation effect.

So you've read the a official accident report form? That's curious because the police seldom properly do one and are even less likely to make them publicly available - or were you at the scene and have interviewed al the witnesses and calibrated the scene and done the calculations related to speed and trajectory - did you take into account the overall weight of the bus with the passengers the effects of ABS -the speed of the other vehicles involved the weather conditions, temperature condition of road surface, mechanical condition of both vehicles (was the trailer the correct height?) etc. etc., or are you just believing what you want to?

It is a colloquialism so which of these are you covered for? I'm sure your insurance company will have a definition somewhere? You may not even be covered for the first - or maybe ONLY the first.

Reductio ad absurdum....just tell me what you think they mean by scooter. You haven't yet. As said its a colloquialism...what companies use that word? If they did it would be a marketing term - Honda dream isn't actually a dream. According to wiki...Vespas and Lambrettas aren't scooters. Define what your insurance company means by scooter.

Then your insurance company are talking about something g that doesn't exist. They need to define scooter. The wiki entry is wrong...in factbi was going to edit it. Under their definition Vespas and Lambrettas are not scooters. Unless they define the motorcycle correctly you will not know of you are insured. Under the wiki definition an 850cc maxi would qualify under your insurance yet a 200cc KTM would not.. You need to get a definition from your insurance company as in Thailand the idea of "scooter" is not recognised. Equally you could argue that a scooter is a kids toy which is how tge step through got its nickname

Sp.... it is the message not the messenger you should be concerned about. Yet you have not voiced any counter argument whatsoever

Looks like you don't understand how Thai healthcare works. Doctors aren't tied to hidpitals..you could have had the sane doctor in Bangkok Pattaya.

How could it and in what context? Where did you see that? How do you define a scooter?

If I were you I'd have a look...there is no legal definition of "scooter". Under the Vienna treaty motorbikes are defined by engine capacity and KW power.

Not criticising "Jews", people are criticising Israel, which is not sudden, it has been going on for decades.

You are already desensitised...your kanguage shows this.... however the worst part is your lack of real perspective

Thailand has a similar number of collisions per day to the United Kingdom.