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So tell her to quit and I send support?  What she do? go live at home?  Just loaf around?  What could go wrong.   I have listened to advice and felt it very important to not send her support every month like many farang do.  She even gets asked often how much bf send?  I think it is mostly the bargirl type customers who ask  this.  It seems many guys send 30k/mo or more.   Ots almost a bragging thing it seems.  She even told one i send 20,000 baht.  Which is so not true.  She is proud to "stand her own 2feet". 

I cant believe I am so wrong in my thinking on this.  Maybe all the sane people are asleep You? You all have me feeling sick.  100% in support of her  doing all this extra each day for 17 Baht.   How many of you  would give up 20% of your free non working or sleeping time for 17 baht?

2 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

Is'nt that exactly what the boss is doing?

Yes he is being businessman.   I tell my fiance  to be businesswoman.   I just feel my fiance can be doing something else more valuable to our future rather than making extra 17 baht a day.  Even if asking for the moon results in the boss finding another person to do this 3000 baht job.  I told her if he does this I will send her this much.  She is very frugal and says we need to save money for our future.  Im just perplexed by her reluctance to even ask for  more.  Her old wslk was so close and half covered by awnings in case of rain.   New walk is a flooding nightmare in rain like last week. 

1 minute ago, Oceanbroker said:

My opinion is to keep you Western thoughts in the West. As a visitor to simple Thailand, you need to adjust to that simple life. Isn't that the reason most of us expats are here?

Luckily I visited Thailand enough to know not to retire there.  Only reason to retire in Thailand  is if you dont have enough money or are not a 1 woman man IMHO. Our future plans  are in a cool, beautiful 4 season climate.  In Utah.    70% of this land is public.  I admit our air  is sometimes like BKK die to fires 500 miles away.  

19 minutes ago, Keyser Soze666 said:

Living the dream eh. What a tragic post.

What do you mean tragic post? 

You think its controlling that i try to use math to point out its an extra 17 baht a day? She works  11 hour days as it is,  often skipping her lunch for the company cause.  6 days a week for 20 years  for just what I feel is mediocre pay.   I feel this extra 500 baht for an additional  30 hours a month is offensive to her.  Even if she  walks back and forth it is double the time  requirement  for 15% more benifit.   It makes sense to ask to be sble to clock in and stay there if she wishes.   She can't exercise before work.  Its Thailand  you should know you sweat  just walking. 

#1 does it hurt to ask for more?

No wonder Thailand has such a large gap between the haves and have nots and no middle  class.  

I also had the idea she should ask to stamp  in when she  arrives to unlock the door and turn off alarm.   I suggest she not ride a motorcycle taxi. Do i think  she always listens to me?  Hel no.  Its funny woman wants man to be leader except when they want to do it their way.   You guys all warned me to not get an over 40 woman  because they are stubborn. Set in their ways and won't listen  to man.

I am willing to send her the 2500 but I feel its worth  her trying to negotiate first.    My main  grief comes from the measly 500 extra  for the 30 days a month she uses an extra hour or more.   This is like 17 baht  a day  more.  Not even pay  for the motorcycle taxi. 

Is it against thai business culture to not accept the original offer and explain the extra time required at the new location and ask for more?   I am a fairly good poker player and I tbink she has a good basis for asking for more.   The losing is worth the risk.  Because if she asks for 7000 and boss says forget  it and will find someone else  I can send her 2500 that she was making.  But I feel its worth  a gamble to ask for more.  She won't lose her job for asking.  

2 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

To add: Actually the 3000 baht itself, could pay for the rent of a basic room near the office, or at least a big chunk of it. Insane to make this an issue, if living from a Thai perspective and Thai economy. There would be people sleeping in the office for that money.

Have you priced the rent in Thonglor?  A fan room is 5000 baht.    Condors 15 000 for dumps.   Also it's not just a simple job.  This job  needs to be done at a certain  time everyday.   It requires the boss to have ultimate trust in someone.  That  is not easy to find. 

3 minutes ago, AlfHuy said:

Tell her not more to do the "open door-lock door" service and pay her, what she gets from her boss for this service.

Problem solved.

Yes, I feel it would be worth 3,000 baht from me so she has 30 extra  hours each month to exercise, study English  and eat healthy  food.  But i also wanted to help prepare her for the real World in America if and when we get our K1 visa.  Thai people need to learn to "stand up and take their share!"  Tracy chapman

2 is 1. I think you  are Thai?  Thanks for your and everyone's opinion.   

She did have month off at 1/3 salary    maybe month of 1/2 salary but now i think full  salary .  

So she now makes about 100 baht extra to go unlock door.  Maybe there are many others who would do this.  But first off they would need ro live close by in expensive Thonglor or it would not be a good deal.  Secondly her boss doesn't even trust the cleaning crew or security guard to unlock the door.  

No other employee lives so close.  I see she has power to bargain for more.  I would be happy if she didn't have this extra  job.  I would  send her 3000 of she told him no. 

 Why does everyone acknowledg that's the rich make too much money and do not pay their workers but yet they are unwilling to ask for more when they are justified

 I should add that I didn't mind the 2500 baht when it was only a 100 m walk each way.  That's like 75 baht  a day.  but I think the 500 baht addition now that it's one km each way is an insult and abuse on my fiance. 

This boss is a very rich man.  Just so you know he isn't struggling.    I say  play the bargaining  game for something like 7500 a month.  If he won't agree to 5500 or more tell him she will stop doing it.  

I think this is fairly common.  I spoke to a thai woman working  somewhere  UAE via dating site who told me she hadn't been paid in months and had to do everything to take care of children and a big house. She said she  wasn't held captive,  she didn't say she was beaten but she didn't have money to fly home and worked like a dog.   Hard to imagine  a family  could enjoy living with a person they treat like this. 

Tourism is dead for a decade.  People need to seek other employment.   So sorry. 

Big change with the restaurant industry.  Many people in USA have learned how to cook for the first time in USA and they realize its better and easier than going out  to a restaurant.   If they do eat restaurant food its take out or drive through.   A chik fil let near me has covered, heated,  with fans, double drive through lanes.   With 4-6 employees taking orders. They are so busy maybe they are just keeping stock going of all types of food.   More people walking and biking on my street than ever.

All those tattooed ghosts will need to  get real hobs and learn to be told what to  do and work for much less. 

All the gold but can't live without water.  Water shortages are going to cause big issues in the next few decades. 

9 hours ago, steven100 said:

very dangerous job indeed ...  he knew the risks.

How stupid  .   Since when is zoo director a dangerous job?

Fight  fight Thailand.   

Thoughts and prayers.   Haha.   

Soon this bad time will be over.  

They are beautiful.   I would love to have one.   Will this fisherman get to keep some of the value  or what?  Seems like he should.    Could make a good movie.  How did he find it?  How deep were they?  How did he get caught?  How did he harvest them.  Why not more barnacles?  

Why didn't he say his ATTA would  pay the salaries of all the contact tracers who will be busy like bees.    He states cases are declining but not in my state.  We are at record high new cases.   Spewing lies and expressing  greed isn't going to go over well with the thai people who don't work in tourism  and are enjoying life and feeling somewhat secure.  They are practicing social distancing and face masks but have been shown buy  top dogs and news and protests that western foreigners dont wear masks.   And they disliked Chinese tourists before.   I think thai people are enjoying their country without tourism.   Let tourism die.  

Except for those in the tourism industry and sex work most thai people doing fine and safe.    But if covid comes back  they will revolt. 

11 hours ago, mark131v said:

You do realise we are talking about 'thai police' not real police, they are without doubt the biggest gang in town and the best money can buy!!

 

Lets get it in context in the Blue corner we have a gobby yank tourist and in the Red corner we have an entitled Hi So hotel owner who is a big man on a small island

 

You wanna bet that the Red corner has all the power and is used to getting whatever he wants with lots of waiing and prostrating, if he want's the Yank nicked at a specific time in order to get maximum revenge he is well able to, again if you believe otherwise I have a bridge for sale... 

<deleted> is a gabby yank tourist?   You mean the Yank, from the country, that freed your a$$?

She can enter next year.   She isn't the most pretty but was popular  and smart.   I hate ro see so many contestants  with fake small noses. Lips and chins plus who know how many other procedures or botix shots.   I would like to see a contest with  all natural women.   I think this poyraual of beauty is very harmful for many youth.  But it sells many beauty products and procedures.     

15 hours ago, androokery said:

Extremely interesting article in Nature by well respected authors:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3_reference.pdf
 

The fact that Thailand doesn’t have a high death rate may actually be linked to DNA and Neanderthals. 

Yinn  has some valid points.   But I believe  it is genetic plus mask wearing is normal in Thailand and many Asian countries.   Thai are brainwashed to do as they are told.  Good or bad this is the truth.  

Thai live in such dirty conditions and are exposed to many more germs in their  daily lives.  Just look at the flies in the markets, drying fish, the un-refrigerated foods sold everywhere. And  no wonder Thais take off shoes at the door the sidewalks  and streets are disgustingly dirty.  I could eat off the sidewalk in front of my house.    I  had fever, runny nose, sore muscles, funny feeling  mostly dry, bad cough jan 2-7. My thai Gf lived in the same small BKK  condo each night until Jan 20 and never got sick.   So its a fact thai people have immunity  from flu like sickness.   

Last point is Western countries keep old people alive where I am going to presume that many of Thailand's elderly have already  died plus not many old people in old folk home group  settings  like the West which are disgusting if anyone with a nose has entered them.