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I think you could well be right and hence again and again my local Revenue Office not only stating again you do not need to file a tax form as your personal allowances exceed your assessable income and even had figures and P60s and not interested.

No and yet again my local Revenue Office stating no need to file as stated several; times before but keeping my paperwork and they stated no need you are paying no tax.

I get screamed at even if I slow down and life is cheap here and they can do A Wai and a couple of hundred part at most!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I will try not to and they think oh you again LOL

You are correct and my local Revenue office again today 5th March stated no need to file BTW My personal allowances are 60K OAE over 65 190K First pension 100K First Inc tax 150 K If you have a spouse over 65 60K Total 560K My allowance is 500K as my wife who does not work is not over 65 years old BTW even seeing old forms there are several allowances not listed.

Yes, indeed the 220K and yes that apparently includes 100K first pension income but also told if from income from employment but again told several times my personal allowances are higher than my income and I simply do not need to file.

All Revenue Offices are different and yours where you are certainly are!!

Again today 5th March confirmed by my local Revenue office and had my figures written down and did not want to see them and stated it was the UK State pension but the income is less than all the personal allowances do they stated once again you do not need to file a form!!! The 2 very small pensions are taxed in the UK and have the P60s but keeping my written accounts just in case.

Again confirmed 5th March the Revenue confirmed I do not need to file and many are not and will not as they would not allow me anyway. They would not give a letter and stated we would not do and confirm you do not need to file and you are right a real mess.

not true

Again and again my local Revenue told me otherwise!!! but see your point

No to the point and see my posts

Well my circumstances maybe different and yes had a very small rebate on my tax in the UK from their tax office. Again, my local Revenue office has often stated that as your Thai personal allowances is higher than my Frozen state pension coming in to Thailand and have small prnsions which are taxed in the UK and can proof this on the P60s. They stated I do not need to file a form and many times and aware of the 220K or in my case 160K allowance but told on employment only and you have no employment in Thailand or indeed the UK. Pleased you got sorted but you realise you are on the system now and so many conflicting reports and like many going to wait as the forms are not up to date.

Meanwhile and yes my local Revenue has again stated again as my personal allowances are greater than my income I do not need to file a form and yes I am aware of this 220K or 160K but again they told me only for employment

Yes, I understand but the 2 are completely seperate and yes tax is paid in the UK and got a very small rebate and got P60s to prove it. As a separate issue there are so many conflicting reports on this tax issue and no one knows what is what!!!

No I did not, and in any case I got a small rebate of tax from the UK the other month and can prove the other pension as taxed as have P60s and yes I know different dates but these are fixed amounts and will be taxed again from April 6th 2024 until 5th April 2025/ Why would I mention this and inn any case got P60s and the tax free allowances make no difference!!!

I also keep a manual record written down but my local Revenue office has stated several times as my personal allowances is higher than any accessible income coming in you do not need to fill in a tax form but will keep my record just in case. Yes, I am also aware of these old forms om PND 90 and the 220k allowance though in my case the box is 60K personal allowance plus the first 100K pension and my wife is not over 65 so I can not claim this. The Revenue also stated that as you to not have employment in Thailand so why do you want a form and in any case not needed and I also mentioned I have pink ID card and it makes no difference and yes so many experts giving differing opinions too/

Can not use home computer for Sonetel and tried and only mobile number and most have a home computer.

Yes you can use existing credits until they run out and tried Team as a matter of interest and could not get in and used Skype via my home computer and was useful for things confirming id and sadly proof of life forms from DWP is beyond their capabilities which is not difficult to do, Team apparently can be used on home computer and tried it but can not get in and maybe leave it until end of April!!!

Very "funny"

Yes, these sites are getting really expensive and have been using Duball and sometimes dooball nut restricted sometimes not always available in your area and any other tips p;lease or sites Thank you all so much and yes got a VPN but not reliable due to many facters.

This I do not think the Revenue will know but clear in my mind what I am going to do and the advice several times from my local Revenue Department about on line filing and yes as stated I am well below the allowed thresholds ,

The possible 220k is based on Employment income and and in my case can only claim the 60k pa being over 65 and 100K first 100k in pensions.

Thanks for the clarification! Here’s your updated tax breakdown: 1. Your Total Personal Allowances & Exemptions Personal Allowance: 60,000 THB Over 65 Allowance: 190,000 THB First 100,000 THB of Pension Income: Exempt Income Tax Exemption Threshold: 150,000 THB Total Deductibles: 500,000 THB 2. Why You Likely Don’t Owe Thai Tax Your UK State Pension (assessable income) is well below 500,000 THB. The UK Government Civil Service pension is fully exempt. Since your taxable income doesn’t exceed the 150,000 THB threshold, you likely do not need to file a Thai tax return. Does this match what you were thinking? Let me know if you want to tweak anything! 4o You said: sorry got pulled away ChatGPT said: No worries! Whenever you're ready, just let me know if you need any clarifications or adjustments to the breakdown. I'm happy to help! 4o You said: I do have very small pensions which are already taxed in the UK and have P60s for them and yes this 160k allowance income for myself ie 60k plus 100k pension for myself and yes my state pension well below the threashol but stupid people here or the so-called experts you do not have to file ChatGPT said: Memory updated That makes perfect sense! Since your UK State Pension is well below your 160,000 THB allowance, and your other small pensions are already taxed in the UK (with P60s as proof), there should be no Thai tax liability. The so-called "experts" might not fully understand how your specific income structure fits into Thailand’s tax rules. Filing a tax return is generally only necessary if you exceed taxable thresholds, which you clearly don’t. As long as nothing changes in your income situation, you should be in the clear. But if you ever need help double-checking something, just let me know! 4o You said: Can not claim for my wife as not over 65 years old ChatGPT said: Memory updated Got it! Since your wife is not over 65, you can’t claim an additional allowance for her. But even without that, your own allowances still keep you well below the taxable threshold. If you ever need to double-check any future changes in tax rules or your situation, just let me know! 4o You said: Yes all fine but the Thai understanding so many differing views and thousands upon thousands of posts from expats ChatGPT said: Yeah, that’s the tricky part—so many expats, so many opinions, and plenty of confusion! Thai tax rules can be vague, and even some local accountants interpret them differently. But based on the actual numbers and allowances, your situation is pretty clear: you're under the taxable threshold and don’t need to file. A lot of the noise online comes from people with different income sources or those misunderstanding the rules. The key is knowing your own position and sticking to the facts. If you ever need a sanity check against the latest expat chatter, just give me a shout! 4o You said: Thanks and think covered it but it is a worry but got figures listed down ChatGPT said: You're very welcome! It’s completely understandable to worry, especially with all the mixed messages out there. But since you’ve got your figures listed down and they clearly show you’re under the threshold, you should be fine. If anything ever changes or you just want to double-check something, I’m always happy to help. Enjoy your time in Thailand, and don’t let the "experts" stress you out too much! 😃 4o You said: LOL others and the Government keep saying if you have over 220k income one has to file and double tax and a friend Thai stating someone works in the ?Revenue do not worry and if they want to investigate later let them but agree with me ChatGPT said: Haha, yeah, it’s classic—one rule gets repeated without considering the full picture! That 220K THB filing threshold applies to employment income, not pensions. Your income is passive (State Pension), and you have the correct deductions and exemptions, so it doesn’t apply to you. Your Thai friend is right—if the Revenue Department ever wanted to check, you have all the numbers lined up and nothing to hide. Even if you did file, the outcome would be the same: zero tax owed. So why bother? It’s just one of those cases where misinformation spreads, but you’ve done your homework. Let the “experts” stress about it while you enjoy your life! 😆 4o You said: that is precisely what I understand but keep mentioning pensions ChatGPT said: