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What I don’t understand is why Brexiteers rant at Remain supporters when the British Government refuses to deliver Brexit.
 
All these demands to ‘walk away’, ‘tell Brussels to stuff it’ etc.
 
It is the British government that is refusing to act.
 
Open your eyes to that reality and stop trying to blame everyone else over failing Brexit.

If I say foreigners are (insert attribution to foreigners), then that is a stereotype.
 
If I say foreign owners of newspapers/media, then that is a statement relating to specific foreigners who own newspapers/media, it is not a stereotype.
 
You surely know the difference.

You were strangely quiet when foreigners were using their newspapers and Media networks to support Brexit.

Also, Don't get strangely quiet confused with monitoring a thread without necessarily contributing.

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The GPS situation is an interesting issue, the EU under its policies want to treat the UK as a 3rd country. Yet, they also need UK specialist, suppliers and equally important access to some (UK overseas) ground stations.

Hammond (in the Times) has stated if the EU exclude UK from Galileo then negotiations will reopen on some vital aspects, also several EU countries are not happy at Brussels attitude and negotiating approach.

Lastly, even though it'll take £2-5Bn the UK is quite capable of issuing a rival to Galileo, just because Brussels wants everything it's own way.

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Is there anything left to sell that is British these days ?

A balanced post.  Although I think it is worth re-iterating what the EU said about the UK changing their mind.  "If Brexit were scrapped then there is nothing to negotiate because everything remains the same.  Britain would remain in and obviously everything would continue as it is today."
 
Of course what that means is that everything that Cameron agreed has been binned and we then have to start again with trying to get the changes we were seeking in the first place.  literally back to square one.
 
But we are all spectators here and what we think or say will have no bearing on the outcome of Brexit.  The leavers voted for the government to negotiate a leaving package and that is what they are trying to do.  True they are rubbish at it but no surprise there.  The challenge is to achieve a Brexit that will be the least damaging for the UK.  If they felt that walking away was a viable option then they would have done that already.
 
The moment you have a referendum and vote one way or the other you then lose control.  You have to stand back and accept whatever deal the government come up with.  So we can all shout about what they are doing and what the EU are saying but that means sod all.  The only option would be to insist on a second vote and that is something the Brexiteers are adamantly against.  OK, I am not getting into that argument again.
 
The referendum should never have happened but it did.
 

Whilst I tend to agree that this governments performance in both setting out their position and the subsequent negotiations has been less than stellar, I am not sure that will make the slightest difference. It is becoming increasingly obvious that the Brussels administration is determined to do the utmost damage to the UK both economically and possibly politically. I don't think this is a position necessarily shared by all EU governments, but they also seem to be irrelevant. Any eventual settlement will be on terms dictated by them (Brussels), which seem to be effectively non-negotiable. Were we to change our mind, as many suggest we should, I suspect that the terms under which such a change would be accepted will be as damaging. Pragmatically, I think that we should accept what now is beginning to look as inevitable, and be prepared to walk away. The central plank of the argument to leave was to regain our national sovereignty. I always suspected that was going to be expensive, and I think it will be. I also happen think that we should be prepared to pay that price.

I doubt anti-Semitism registers as an issue of concern across most of the UK.

 

But you are correct regarding Labour rebuilding and offering an alternative:

 

Corbyn has raised Labour Party membership to in excess of 200,000 and has established a platform of policies that stand in stark contrast to the Tories on  housing, healthcare, education, welfare, workers’ rights, pensions, wealth distribution, healthcare, transport, energy, water, the environment, foreign policy....

 

Spend some time listening to Corbyn speak rather than what the rightwing press wish you to believe.

I concur reference your point about Anti-semism across the UK.

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I expect UKIP will struggle to survive in current guise by the next GE.

I notice in a few MSM sources that Corybn is being slated (or impoded) within his own MP's for not taking decisive action over Anti-semism, harsh lesson for a possible reckless government in waiting.

Labour's poor leadership &party has taken its toll in a period which it should be rebuilding, strengthing and showing the electorate it's a worthy credible alternative.

The UKIP rondents had to run somewhere. Don't worry, it's infectious!
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44002060

Good to see UKIP taking the drubbing they deserve. Sad to see the Tories not getting the drubbing they deserve. 

@Grouse

Disenfranchised is a fair analysis & summary.


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Not fussed about pictures, memes and YouTube clips to be fair.

I mainly discuss Brexit on forums, it's often a controversial subject within whom I frequent face to face, including family.

SNP debates are also barred, deservedly so.

Aye, sure, but what did they have to say about Brexit?
 
There's some late edits that you missed, bytheway.  I apologise for the pictures, the post would have been better without them, but they only appear after posting the post, so to speak.

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Say what you want, but some of us liked the Status Quo.

So the 120,000 people who have died due to the unnecessary imposition of austerity is the price to be paid to keep labour out of office?

One of the curiosities of Brexit is watching the very people who are being shafted by Brexit cheering it on.
 

Please use a little more precision for clarity
 
I do not think Labour are partularly liberal these days.
 
Liberal Democrats are rather more liberal. I do so wish they had not forced through tertiary education to be free at the point of delivery

How about actually taxing the large multi nationals that take so much from the economy but return so little? How about ensuring that the elites of the country cannot avoid the tax obligations that the rest of us have to live with? How about preventing the PM's own husband from facilitating the hiding of the wealthiest UK residents' cash in obscure tax havens? And while we are at it, how about actually asking his company to pay taxes on their profits - you know, like all the little people have to do?

Austerity - the imposition of seemingly neverending Dickensian punishments on the poor because the rich got themselves in a bit of a bind due to their profligate greed.
 
It wasn't the working man who brought the world's banking systems to the verge of collapse, but it is the working man who had to bear the brunt of it, while the rich continue to plunder and hoard. The huusband of our own PM continues to make his millions helping his rich friends hide their money offshore, further isolating their wealth from any notion of fair taxation - and his own company doesn't even pay corporation tax. Yet you seem to think that austerity is somehow necessary? Here is a fact for you - austerity is a choice, made to appease friends and donors of the Tories. Alternatives exist - they just don't accomodate the naked greed of the bastardised version of capitalism that Tories love.

Jacob Rees-Mogg will be PM before Christmas IMHO, and lead this country to the right Brexit we voted for

Labour has not been in power for 8 years - time to face the facts: David Cameron and Theresa May have failed in the most tragic of ways. Regardless of the origins of our country's demise, and I don't think you can blame the global recession on Gordon Brown, their means of recovery has been a disaster for those of us who are not Panaman bank account holders.

Interesting thread, sort of like a 'rough guide' to avid travellers.

Myself, up until 2006 I travelled extensively due to work commitments, although I took those opportunities to class it as a pre-holiday recce to locations I want to revisit or avoid.

Admitingly I spent more time in the US, ME & Asia than I have in Europe however my bucket list is too extensive to post.

Lastly, every trip I do make I learn and plan better for the next, I'm also a minimalist traveller, unfortunately Mrs CB isn't.

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I agree with[mention=194534]Malagateddy[/mention] reference crime, it's seriously bad in some largely populated areas (prime cities), remove the Brexit emotive element, focus on serious but level headed issues.

Excuse the thread drift:

The main vital factor behind this, less Police on the streets, and it's noticeable/tangibly seen by everyone, I'm surprised a repeat of the 2011 riots hasn't occurred, in parts it has become lawless and open season for the criminal fraternity.

The Met alone have lost 700 detectives and its budget is being strangled, it's having to sell off assets, old police buildings, anything to cover the budgets that are being redirected to cyber crime, counter-terrorism, CEOP and other specialist branches, I know three coppers, one a former SFO and current SGT and British Police are being ragged senseless and its primary cause is policies and politics interference, Rudd should resign.

The U.K. Is simply seeking a more stringent & rigorous EU immigration policy, similar to Australia or other models that are currently being analysis'd, PMTM stated a bespoke custom immigration policy will come into a affect, plain a simply GB doesn't want the low life scum/criminals from other countries flocking here, it's increasingly becoming lawless in many areas due to tribal/eastern bloc inter community clashes, IIRC the U.K. Is even spending money on a Nigeria prison so HMG can deport Nigerian criminals, my question is why can't the African region build its own, it's rich in minerals & oil rich.

Demanding a 'Quality not quantity' immigration policy is basic common sense, it's an asset not a drain, they pay taxes, limits the black market employment which is rife within the UK. many government departments & SME's rely on quality EU & non - EU immigrants, it's not racist or anti-immigration to demand your Government has a border policy fit for purpose not fit for just anyone who slips through the net or overstayers.

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