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Whereas IMO, had the uk govt. stood up against the eu govt's. list of 'the order of discussion talks' - things would have been different [emoji5].

 

Why on earth did the brit. govt. agree to start talking about money to be paid and all the rest - with a trade agreement at the bottom of the list??

IIRC security & intelligence is where DD see's his forte, and Barnier knows it.

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Let’s have a dig around your skeletons:
 
“It would cost Airbus at least £1bn to relocate it's wings department to the EU.”
 
At least £1Billion, you say.
 
 
Where did you get that number from?

When I was in the RAF, I did a couple of months at Alborg in 1975. To put things in perspective we were paid more in overseas allowance than we were being paid, the good old days.
One weekend we went over on the boat to Gothenburg and got chatting to some Swedes. They couldn't understand we were going to Sweden, they preferred to go to Denmark for the day as it was so much cheaper.
Some just refuse to believe that the main European countries have always had a higher standard of living and the UK was the poor man of Europe.

Brexit moronic simply because you disagree with it?

Look, it must be clear to you all that I think Brexit is a moronic idea. How would you prefer me to present my opinion?
 
There is indeed a corrolation between tertiary educational achievement and voting remain
 
I believe the EU, CU and SM are flawed but good for us on balance.
 
I think we do live in an increasingly unstable and dangerous world and I believe staying close to the EU is wise.
 
I also believe that the people most likely to be negatively affected by Brexit are demographic C-, D and E who tended to vote for it. Ironic indeed
 
I have just spent a delightful few days in Scandinavia. Happy people paying high taxes and living in socially just societies. Much more the European dream than the American dream. Try it.

Simple flaw easily noticeable....


Forecast......George Osborne attempted that with project fear.

Utter nonsense from the Anti-Brexit element.

Oh well never mind [emoji57]

Not just Airbus...... every auto company, manufacturer, finance company, farmers .... all have reported concerns about Brexit. They either see contraction or are moving out...Not one is forecasting an improvement.
 
However it would be interesting if one single British company has said they think Brexit would actually improve business. 

We did not need to turn up.we have already won

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No he did not!  He merely gave the people the choice of "in or out"   And, guess what?

oh, the benefits of cherry picking is included?

Labour didn't start this road to ruin. It is Cameron's debacle.
 

Over 30 years ago we went to live in a nice town.it had two small immigrant communities one from Jamaica and one from Pkistan etc.they never really got on and over the years the " people of colour" must be pc[emoji4] moved away from where the Muslims lived and integrated.I was back there a couple of years ago .much of it was like Pakistan women in black robes mosques all over the place. Also there seemed to be in all the town centre hardly anyone who spoke English half the shops had foreign languages in the windows it was not like the Town i moved to all those years ago. Britain as we knew it is dead thanks to mass immigration. As i fear are many countrys in Europe.thanks to the likes of Blair and Merkal.still they have become rich of the EU. So why should they care

 

 

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I don't believe the UK is dead due to mass immigration, there are currently worse countries however ensuring the country is better controlled and managed is priority.

Subsequent governments have continually ignored & failed this issue at their own peril, thus now it's at the forefront those very people within the political establishment can now focus on fixing what others were too scared or spineless to discuss, for the fear of being branded racists.

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I think we all agree that the EU is badly flawed and out of date.  It needs a complete overhaul and in fact Macron and Merkel feel that way too.  I am not going to bang on about "better fighting from the inside" because that argument has been done to death.  We just have to wait and see what happens next.  I shall be doing it from behind the sofa peeping over the back now and then!

I think it is just rhetoric citybiker.  Both sides slinging the odd insult.  Much of it comes from a weariness from the constant back and forth and still not knowing where the hell we are heading.  In fact I feel that that is why the vitriol is so strong.
 
As I have said many times before most British people in Britain want what they perceive to be the best for the country.  It is just that it is not always the same thing.  Nobody wins with Brexit but in the end there will be an end result.  Which side it falls on, we don't know yet.  I think that one way or another we are all going to be failed, it is just to what extent.
 
I guess one thing hasn't changed much is that we don't know what the effect of Brexit will actually be.  We all shouting in the dark!  So we can all keep slagging off the various politicians involved but they are still the only ones who are going to make the final decision.
 

Total utter tosh, you claiming 17 million majority are lower class educated using it as fact?


Yet further anti-Brexit nonsense.

That's true. It's a fact that the majority of lower class people voted for Leave. 
But you will be have to learn a painful lesson. 

That is not quite right! 

1. UK signed all EU treaties and rules. 

2. The so called beaurocrats are also UK officials. So if you beat them you beat yourself. 

3. There is an exit procedure. And UK, as initiator of Brexit has to follow. 

4. It's a fact to have borders between the EU members and others. 

5. It's definitely the end of cherry picking. 

I think a lot of people in UK (not here in Thailand necessarily unless the money will shrink on the account) will wake up soon when May will disclose her final agreement with EU. 

All of which the above will soon cease, be renegotiated, personnel relocated and legally out of the EU March 2019, into transition period.

Total worst case scenario, move to WTO rules which neither party wishes however is a possibility.

Brussels has form on poor negotiations, Canada & Japan are both proof and evidence and they’ll leave it to the last minister despite the article 50 timeframe, which that itself is also flawed, by its own author no less.

Uncharted ground, new challenges and not everyone will get what they want, the vital point is no longer legally bound to the EU.

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Other EU sources report that there isn't any solution for the Irish Border yet. May's plans were rejected by Mr. Barnier. 
The meltdown started already unless UK will stay but not leave. 
It might be that this is the final solution for May. Well done. 

Oh dear me, the British FS and another over hyped media tosh release and Brexit hate remainers are at it again.

Boris is controversial, speaks out and occasionally pi$$es people off, even within his own Government. Good for him, Brexit is a serious matter, passionate to ensure PMTM is held accountable to her commitment and word and deliver Brexit to the electorate.

I'm no fan of him, however Trump, Farage et al have done more and better than countless nameless idiots I could mention that stuck to the status quo.

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Better that we all work together to get Galileo up and working. 
US (Stumper) can hardly be trusted these days.