Phulublub

Why not? Again, if the majority really do want to stay, what are you so afraid of? That 2 million Scots might make a mistake and put their X in the wrong box? The lack of appreciaton of just how much 2016 altered the political landscape is bizarre. If another referendum shows a lack of appetite for independence then that will be that. But remember the Holyrood voting system was set up to ensure that there was not a single party majority - that the SNP are pretty much there in any case says a good deal about the support they have in the Country. It really is not just the bampots who want independence. PH

If the majority of Scots wish to stay in the Union, then why are you so afraid to give them a vote on the matter? Ph

Not quite. In 2014 those were exactly the arguments I (and others) were making to stay in the UK. And there were enough of us, perhaps, to sway the vote to stay in the UK. Move on to 2016 and those were exactly the arguments I (and others) were making for staying in the EU. My arguments did not change one bit for either vote. A significant number who voted in 2014 because of these reasons, now see the disaster that they foresaw coming to pass and would rather throw their lot in with Europe than with England. PH

I have no idea. Best ask some Brexiteers... PH

Maybe they are having similar supply problems to some of the 7-11s? Several in central Pattaya have been without on many occasions over the past couple of weeks. PH

That sounds strangely similar to quite a lot of the Brexiteer talk about Brussels takng our money and deciding how much and where to give it back.....sauce for the goose? PH

Would that show that only 38% of the elgible voters actually voted to leave? Even fewer of those eligible voted to leave than Scots voted to stay....once again you are talking utter nonsense. PH

Not immediately obvious if seen from the sidebar....absolutely no need to be so rude to those trying to help. PH

Pattaya Makro on Sukhumvit had some last week PH

Again with the false narrative. I voted for Scotland to remain as part of the UK precisely because it was by no means a done deal that the Country could rejoin in short order, or on the same terms as we already had. That the SNP intended rejoining was utterly irrelevent to my stance. However, as the UK has since left the EU, I would wholeheartedly support an independent Scotland seeking readmission and on this I agree with the SNP . PH

Wrong. (again). It is not only his opinion. PH

Link please. But whatever the SNP say, I know how and why I voted and know a good number of people who state they did the same for the same reason. Perhaps the SNP have a different agenda to me and my feloow travellers. Certainly, for some of them, independence at any price is all that matters. There are more moderate (and sensible) members with whom it is possible to have rational and reasoned debate, something that it seems difficult to do here with those who cherry pick numbers.. PH

No, you proved the square root of sod all. Using incomplete data to support a conclusion you have already reached is a little bit sad. PH

2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum Choice Votes % Leave the European Union 17,410,742 51.89 Remain a member of the European Union 16,141,241 48.11 Valid votes 33,551,983 99.92 Invalid or blank votes 25,359 0.08 Total votes 33,577,342 100.00 Registered voters/turnout 46,500,001 72.21 Source: Electoral Commission[308] So, using your own logic, of the total electorate of 46.5 million, 17.4 million voted to leave. Under 38%. PH

Again making my point about the 2014 referendum and the goalposts not just being moved on the ptich but to an entirely different arena. THAT is what the thread is about. PH

It did. --- A result that Nigel Farage said would not be decisive. PH

Oh stop with the picking and choosing How many were eligible to vote in the UK? How many voted to leave? what would that be in percentgae terms? NOT a majority of that I am absolutely certain. PH

That many (including me) voted for Scotland to remain part of the UK precisely because leaving the UK would also mean leaving the EU. PH

Utter baloney. Out of all those eligible to vote for Brexit in England did a majority actually vote for it? No, they did not.

Making my point about the 2014 vote for me. Thank you. But being able to apply to rejoin (if they wish) would at least be an option for an independent Scotland. PH

Well I, for one, do not want a revolution. All I wish for is an opportunity for those living in Scotland (which now excludes me) to be able to vote again given the huge change in circumstances since 2014. That will happen, it is just a matter of time. PH

Aiming to start your Independence with unlawful acts is really not a good idea. Argue your case, convince doubters and if you get enugh support then eventually you will win. PH

Technically correct, especially as those in Northern Ireland voted in aggregate to remain so discounting them (as you appear to have done) would have made the result more than 52/48. But then so did those in Scotland. PH

Managed to skip answering the underlying question though...if caught in ignorance then it is often a good idea to try to distract, dissemble and divert the conversation. Well done. PH

The Scots voted quite sensibly maintained the Union; the English, in contrast, voted to destroy the one with Europe. PH