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6 minutes ago, kimamey said:

I'm not sure which figures you're using but you need to look at them in context.

 

I don't know the exact numbers but the number of covid deaths is certainly less than the number of deaths from flu that we would expect during the winter months although of course covid deaths might increase by then anyway. The important point is that covid deaths have reduced not only due to vaccination but because of mask wearing, social distancing and the fact there are places we can't go that might cause more infection. Once we stop those precautions the numbers may go up and they certainly would if we didn't vaccinate as much as we are doing. Also flu and resulting deaths were down last year I believe due to the precautions taken to stop the spread of covid. That has made it more likely that flu will be worse than last year due to people not building up immunity from last winter. It's difficult at the moment to compare figures for flu and covid.

but in the UK its summer time, so not really the time for many flu problems, yet they have surged way beyond Covid

Will be interesting to see what happens in the winter months

Same as in Thailand, many thousands die from the flu and pneumonia each year normally, but greatly reduced due to the restrictions , yet even with the reductions, still more die than from Covid, yet it very rarely gets a mention, or any sort of mass vaccine project, 

2 minutes ago, kimamey said:

There is still a lot of research going on with all aspects of the virus and the effectiveness of vaccines but there have been early results from some studies. They suggest that Pfizer and AstraZeneca reduce transmission by 40 - 60%. That's the reason for having the vaccine regardless of how healthy you are.

Thanks, so possibly reduce transmissions , but not stop them . And Sinovac ? 

So on a plane of 200 people, that a lot of potential transmissions from so called "safe" people

On 7/15/2021 at 2:58 PM, Tuvoc said:

In theory my understanding is that the COVID extensions were originally for a situation where you were "trapped" in Thailand and couldn't return home more or less. So "emergency" extensions in effect. That doesn't really apply now for most countries. So it doesn't surprise me at all that they are now being refused. But as noted, an agent could be the answer.

can you fly home now, without the 2 vaccines ?

6 hours ago, abrahamzvi said:

The vaccines are the only remedy we have and anyone stating that the vaccines are "garbage" (your word) is not only risking his/her life, but endangers also other lives!!!!

risking his life, possibly, although the risks are small

Risking other lives ? How?

8 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I hope so, too. But 'opening up' costs us money, doesn't create jobs, support businesses, or make money in any meaningful way.

 

Time for us to move away from being so tourism-reliant (though only 12% of GDP) and develop alternative revenue streams such as organic exports.

 

We should NOT follow the mistakes of other countries' openings. We're in the midst of a disaster. What's wrong with wait-and-see?

maybe because millions of people are struggling to survive in Thailand

Even to put food on the table

While you, with your gauranteed income, are wanting this to continue , to see so many live ruined, businesses closed food queues ?

9 hours ago, Neeranam said:

They catch it on the way here. 

so why the insistence on double vaccines before flying ?

11 hours ago, no deal said:

yes but there is no vaccin i paye 3500 tb for my thai wife to get a moderna vaccin ,because the chines vaccin is not good, she don't know when she is going to get maybe by the end of the year...and people are going to die!

yup, many people will die

But the vast majority will not be from Covid

12 hours ago, nkg said:

 

Well done. Spend enough time listening to idiots, you get to join their club.

well he is listening to people on this site , one he joined !

12 hours ago, smedly said:

there is only one or two that have failed a test on arrival the rest have failed tests after having been here for many days - I have asked the question many times - if they didn't bring it with them where did they get infected - very likely in Phuket when mixing with the locals - there is no other explanation, the Phuket administration will not want to publish this for obvious reasons - exposing the truth would raise some very serious questions about community infection in Phuket

 

we can however read between the lines with certain actions being implimented recenty - like school closures and recent very strict controls on entry over land with the army involved - in my opinion they have a very serious problem that they are hiding - COVID is rampant in Phuket

its maybe rampant in Phuket, but how many are actually hospitalised with it, how many in ICUs or have died ?

We hear so much about infections but most seem to be carrying on as normal, until tested, who then are carted off either into hospitals or hotels for isolation

But they have been vaccinated, so why do this, if as you say, the local pass on the infection . The vaccinated will, hopefully hardly even notice, while the locals can continue to infect everyone around them

12 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

The vaccines do not stop you from becoming infected, they are designed to lessen the impact and the chance of being seriously infected with the disease and hospitalized, much like the flu vaccine does for those that take it every year.

Yup, but does not stop the spreading of the infection to others

It reduces your chance of getting really sick or dying

But the majority of healthy people ( 97% ? ) will, if catching the virus only suffer mild effects , so unless your one of the unhealthy people, why bother too much about having the vaccine ?

12 hours ago, sezze said:

No they aren't , is a alcohol analyzer a bad test since it detects right now if you got alcohol in your blood and not in 1h ? Or also in very rare cases detect fake alcohol due to some people creating aceton in their bloodstream at some moments ? It doesn't make the test bad , it is a test at a certain moment.

About the vaccines , results of it are shown right now in Europe , with heavy rising numbers but nearly no hospital admissions or deaths . HUUUGE change from before , since now the infection number is nothing more then that . Still a significant number is not fully protected and some refused vaccination , so there is still a risk of getting bad again , but so far , the numbers are not leading at all to much more hospital visits , so it is no problem . Vaccines saved many lives in the past , and is doing it right now also .

while in the UK, deaths from flu and Pneumonia are over 10 times the number of Covid deaths 

Pity they cant get the  magic" vaccine for the flu like they seem to do for Covid, we hope 

13 hours ago, sezze said:

A test is a momentum . So 72h leaves 3d window of infection positive . Many people might see family or friends in the days before travel , this creates a good chance of being infected since then they do what you should avoid aka meeting other people .

so it really makes the test a bit pointless if one has a few days to go shopping, drinking, partying, football matches, etc, before flying 

12 minutes ago, toofarnorth said:

I too have a Forza and love it , No chains to adjust/oil , press the button and go.  On my usual run out to the hills Honda Waves sometimes try it on but even if they keep up the riders seem to tire quickly and have to stop by the roadside for a rest.

I have an X max 300, bit like a Forza

simple to ride, no bother cruising at 120, and leaves most cars and bike behind at the lights

Going through the twisty bits in the hills, find myself leaving friends on Honda 500s behind, due to the twist and go, instead of constantly changing gears 

As far as idiots on the waves and clicks, not many go past, but i have no problem letting them go, . They might be stupid, but they know i could blow them off if i wanted to 

299 caught at checkpoints

Wonder how many went around the checkpoints ?

2 hours ago, ChC1 said:

Theoretically you have to show that you booked a red list quarantine package and test package in order to get on the plane.

But if amber list ?

And not too sure how he would book the test package without smart phone and internet either 

He has a ticket to fly back, held by Emirates due to Covid , 

Test here would be ok prior to flying 

1 hour ago, sapson said:

Reading the gov website their is a paragraph stating that if you are unable to pay the 1750 quid you can pay them back monthly, however as it is with amber rating you have to fill out a passenger locator form to be allowed to fly and provide proof of a negative covid pre flight and two booked  pre paid tests with a reference number for day 2 and day 8 covid test and voluntary quarantine unless already vaccinated twice with a certificate.

 

If Thailand does go to red zone you must book and prepay without a choice your mandatory government quarantine hotel...... how you would get to fly and arrange the pay later option i dont know?

 

Re flights looks like you can transit through Amsterdam Schipol.

Posted earlier in the thread.

 

The purpose of your trip falls under one of the exemption categories:
- You are travelling through the Netherlands to a non-EU country. You must prove that you have a connecting flight to a country outside the Schengen area. The connecting flight must depart within 48 hours of your arrival in the Netherlands. - -You must not leave the airport’s international transit zone in this period.

So test prior to flying and then 2 tests on arrival, diff dates 

The tests on day 2 and 8 are pre paid in the uk ?

But what if like him, he has no smart phone, or know how to book anything online . He books the flights using agents and pays cash .

Can pay back monthly the 1,750 ?  Wonder how much they can take from a basic pension of around 500 a month, of which, if he returns, would need benefits to get some housing and other things 

Voluntary quarantine , as in Home isolation for 14 days ? ( if it stays amber ) 

Thanks 

25 minutes ago, PeeJayEm said:

The risk of Thailand going into the UK red list is obviously high for anyone who understands the it is only the very limited testing that artificially  keeps Thailand's reported numbers at about 20% of the real figure.  For this reason (to avoid red list quarantine) I left on 2 July

Which country did you leave for ?

And did you need full vaccinations before being allowed to fly?

I have heard of people returning to their own countries, UK and USA to get the decent free vaccinations

31 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Just check into a hotel, it's not that hard.

it is is you dont have the money 

What if you are skint here and need to return back to UK ?

5 hours ago, Guderian said:

And next week Thailand will probably go on the UK's red list, meaning compulsory hotel quarantine on arrival at your own expense (£1,750). That will be enough to kill the idea of returning home to get vaccinated for many people.

any idea what happens if you return to Uk, then told you need to compulsory quarantine, but tell them you don't have the money ?

24 minutes ago, gearbox said:

This is simply not true, the majority of the countries accept Sinovac vaccination certificates, including many EU countries. Your world appears to be too small. Sinovac and Sinopharm are WHO approved, and as a result many countries included them in the approved list.

 

but not Phuket, it appears 

22 hours ago, johnnybgood said:

Normally I don't rise to the ignorant posters, and as the censorship on here is sooooo subjective here goes............

 

We are Scotland, just a small nation........... as is Little England, thing is you are in denial about your status.

England has a huge population and a very dodgy MSM, many of them red-tops which in order to do business, pump up the jingoistic rhetoric.
Only the white English, low educated knuckle draggers buy into this.

 

Don't you realise nobody in the world likes you, except your own white English low educated knuckle draggers?

Look at your England today consumed with bile toward the coloured English players.....seemingly blamed for last nights defeat?

 

The City of London, the money tree, doesn't want to know about UK,  all their investment is overseas - why would they invest in Sharon / Darren?

Stop taking the <deleted>. We want separation, we don't need or like Eng-er-land. Get over it.
 

Then do us all a favour and do it, then lets see how you pay the bills

How much in debt is Scotland ?

How much do they come cap in hand to the English to help them out, ?

But if you do seperate, allow for rebuilding the Hadrians wall to keep the english out, and the scots in. and dont forget to find some new funny money to use, 

On 7/12/2021 at 5:42 PM, bkk6060 said:

Wow very interesting.  So, those that have only one Sinovac will now get a Astrazeneca?

Sounds good but have there been sufficient studies on the safety/efficacy of this mix of vaccines?  

 

you are the studies ! If it works, then good

If it fails or effects you, tough sh@t

But i thought the W.H.O has said not to mix these vaccines due to lack of testing and unknown effects ?

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You mean you were suckered into accepting blame because the other guy had no insurance and you signed the insurance paper.... 

 

A not too dissimilar thing happened to me. I was involved in an accident. I was turning right from a main road, a car tried to overtake me at the same time. I was indicating, not my fault. The other vehicle (a minivan) was not insured. I had first class insurance. Taking the path of least resistance the BiB tried to blame me. Quicker and easier for everyone, except I refused to accept and sign for blame for damage to the other vehicle. 

This was never a case of ‘blaming the farang’ it was simply a case of blaming whoever had insurance and could pay, the BiB would also have tried to blame Thai in my position. 

 

I saw this for what it was without the paranoia of thinking like a victim and that ‘the BiB will always blame the farang’- in fact this event cemented my understanding that if we handle a situation well we are often treated more favourably - that has been my experience for over 20 years here. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

nope, never signed anything 

Only found out afterwards that they said i was to blame, 

bike was taken to dealers, they and the insurance sorted everything out themselves, all i had to do was agree to the policy excess