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23 minutes ago, Suua said:

Oh well, I guess we can all watch the death rate skyrocket in the coming months.

They won't even learn from other countries experiences......I have no words for their jaw dropping stupidity.

The only conclusion to this, is it's obvious they are in very deep financial poop.

I will be moving my money to banks abroad come Monday.

Som nom na.

Is this the same rocketing death rate evryone kept telling us about after Songkran ? The one that never happened  either  

so far so good, 

how many is this out of a possible 136 millions needed ( if 2 shots) for all the population

2023  maybe ?

5 minutes ago, Excel said:

Possibly he was just a Guinea pig

so why would that make him different from anyone getting the shots ?

6 minutes ago, Excel said:

No one in our Amphur has had a vaccination and that includes the few doctors and nurses in our local community hospital !!.  And I think knowing anyone who did contract covid would mean a tour trip to go and gawp at them as it would be so unusual ????

sooo true ?

they never see, never heard of anyone catching it, yet still wear masks while riding bike through village

How many of them wear masks that are many days old too. We sell masks, and see many adults and children with old and dirty masks on a morning, going into school 

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's ridiculous. People need to get on with their deaths.

your right, as always

Just their deaths are many many more times likely to be from riding their motorbike than from  Covid 

On 6/5/2021 at 12:30 AM, ThaiVisaCentre said:

The cost is MUCH cheaper than ASQ/ALQ if you are coming with family / friends.

You also can have your friends/girlfriend come to your room.

Also some villas allow 4 guests, and we expect larger options to also become available.

So even-though there are additional requirements we think it would be a much more comfortable stay than at an ASQ Hotel.

So you are in quarantine in a hotel, but can have friends and ladies round to visit ????

Remind me why the need to quarantine then ? 

On 6/14/2021 at 12:37 PM, couchpotato said:

Be aware that from July 1st EVERYONE (incl Thai's) will need to pay their own full Quarantine costs.

No government freebies after July 1st.

I read that it would be free if you flew into Thailand using Thai Airways ? 

8 hours ago, sezze said:

Comparing flu vs covid was useless before , since the behavior of flu was very well know , and although it does kill quite a few people each year , there are vaccines for it ( doesn't work all the time ) , and hospitals aren't full of patients ( which is the real problem ) .

Now we are talking a different period , since vaccines are to the rescue . This is why we see lots of fast improvements in measures and hospital numbers and also positive cases in many countries , making it very manageable . Thailand hasn't come near it yet , and due to some variants around it is still time to take care . There will always be deaths and people in hospital from covid , this won't go away , like the flu , so now indeed very similar .

So , in order to the subject , only thing that needs to be done is vaccinating and doing it fast . I am still hoping to October to for coming to Thailand , but i am afraid they will still impose too much rules . They want to open but they don't know how to do it , the "sandbox" idea was a good plan in the beginning but the problem is that it really comes too fast for Thailand . They simply do not have enough vaccinated people themselves , and it isnt about the tourists but on the local population .

Good post, but if we run scared of what is a small number of deaths in Thailand, from the Covid, and insist on vaccinations to severely reduce these numbers, why are they not putting the same tactics and resources into supplying a working vaccine and full vaccinations against the flu/pneumonia, which kills far more people in Thailand 

It seems that even without the vaccinations in Thailand , there have been very very few deaths , based on the population of 68 million. we keep seeing lots of words like " could, maybe, possibly likely " on what may happen without the vaccine but after 17 months, very very few of these have proved correct .

6 hours ago, jacko45k said:

It is fortunate the precautions taken against Covid, will work for these too. 

yup, some of those precautions will work, but for how long ?

Do we continue to lockdown, restrict travel, wear face masks, social distance, etc, etc, for ever more ?

or do we eventually lift the restrictions and continue life as "normal" as possible, accepting that thousand will continue to die each year from the flu and now the covid virus 

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

What it says is that there is a vanishingly small number of people who are coming down with the flu.

I have no idea why you are bringing vaccinations into this. It has nothing to do with your original false claim.

Is this " small number" based on this years figures, , the year we have had many lockdowns, travel restrictions, forced mask wearing, etc ?

Then i agree the figures will have reduced from previous years

But are you saying that this downward trend will continue after the restrictions are lifted ? 

Do you have any actual figures for this years reduction in flu and pneumonia hospitalizations ?   

Deaths by Covid virus since Jan 2020 ( 17 months ) = 1,525 ?

Deaths , on average from flu virus in 12 months, not 17 , = 44,549 ? 

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

If you think that the measures taken to control covid haven't pretty much eliminated flu deaths. then you haven't been paying attention to the science.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937a6.htm

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2020-2021/week08.htm

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

  Nice pictures, and probably correct in the number of deaths, but still people being hospitalised due to the flu and pneumonia virus

so what happens to these flu deaths when people get the covid vaccinations, , you say the vaccines will stop the flu virus deaths too ?

2 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

The normal flu, used to spread because people would travel to the places that were flu hot spots, then

spread it around. With out all the travel, and with people wearing masks and social distancing, the

normal flu has not been spread like it usually is.  COVID is an air born virus, that spread further than it

was assumed to. as the tiny mist can travel well beyond 2 meters.  It is not just the larger droplets of

COVID that are spreading the virus.  Heard that on the news last night.  Get your shots and hope that

it will protect you from the variants as well. Good luck all

Geezer

Thanks, but will the vaccine keep you safe from the flu virus too

what happens when they start to open up all areas?

unless you are going to keep wearing masks and stopping people moving around, then the flu will return as before surely. With the increase in deaths back to normal , which according to WHO is around 44,000 a year, far greater than Covid deaths 

8 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Have you seen whats happening in India?  There expecting that variant to be the main variant in Thailand in 3 months.  It's horrific what's happening there.

Yup

just like the living conditions of lots of Indians

but per head of population ? 
1.3 billion ?

but this is Thailand, not India 

53 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ah no proof then but you're also the one who can't believe it spreads in bars and clubs, says it all really ????

Proof of what, that the flu is around

perhaps you should get the facts from your local hospitals 

Sakon Nakhon has patients for months, though decreasing  over time 

don’t believe that the flu spreads in bars and clubs,? Yes I do, possibly even more than  Covid does

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Didn't you hear? Flu has all but disappeared, due to the measures imposed to contain the Covid 19 pandemic so those deaths are also now being saved.

 No, just put down as Covid deaths ,

but still plenty in hospitals with the flu and pneumonia, just nobody talks about them.

if you think that the covid measure has stopped the flu deaths, which occurs every year, looks like a lifetime of lockdowns, masks, etc

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I don't like the odds... 1.5-2.5% of those infected in other countries die. Many get something called long Covid... doesn't sound good. And many have unpleasant symptoms ... it nearly killed the UK PM. 

 

Which one has more chances of killing you, or giving you long term problems ?

and yet people ignore this and worry about Covid ?

had no problems getting my hair cut , 50 baht and ears, beard and eyelash done too

Seems some people are scared of their shadow here

2 hours ago, Megasin1 said:

hmm, can't see how this will work at all !! How will quarantining for only 3 days protect the double vaccinated from the infected Thais? They should be quarantined for their entire stay and then do 14 days quarantine upon returning to their own country. We certainly do not want any more variants in the UK, thank you very much ????

but we are told that if vaccinated, everything is good and cannot catch it, yes , no ?

and if tested home and here, why do you think they will bring it with them ? or even take it back with them

can you imagine the thousands of chargers and charging cables clogging up the roads and pavements. How will the Thais be able to ride on the footpaths . And also, imagine how many of these charging stations will be tapped into for free power for the street traders and small shops, . 

Maybe start by getting rid of all the polluting vehicles first, allowing only clean and modern vehicles within  the city limits, but that would mean the police actually doing some work

46 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Perhaps look at it as 30 dead out of 3000. 

 

Imagine if 3,000,000 Thai's were infected.  That's 30,000 dead.  

perhaps look at it as 30 out of 68 million

which is insignificant in reality compared to the daily death rate 

20 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Yes, with still around 3000 new cases a day, and around 30 deceased each day, I would have thought now may now be the right time.  However, nothing should be allowed to stand in the way of a Thai, and a baht.   ????

30a day out of a population of 68 million would not even be noticed if not for the constant  media hype