Trumpish

7 minutes ago, WhyYouTalkMeBad said:

Comedy gold!!! . When TAT publishes "stats" nobody believes them but when it's bad stats the bashers take it is the undisputed truth

To many hypocrites on TV

When did anyone take anything as undisputed truth? Were the stats generated by the TAT? If they were then they have no value.

I'll worry about hypocrites when they outnumber the fools.

13 hours ago, meechai said:

Having lived in Thailand for many years I would have to say yes it is dangerous.

But not just for lone tourists but everyone period.

 

The big one- Thailand has roads so dangerous that only one country in the WHOLE world

is worse, war torn Libya

Thailand has more road deaths per day than many  states have per year

Thailand has more than 20k per year. Think tourists dont ride buses,vans,cross streets etc etc?

 

Secondary - we think it sucks that a person like the red bull heir goes free

after running down a cop & it is due to his wealth??

Think again as  there are 170,000 un-served outstanding arrest warrants. The perps are not all rich

The cop shops in Thailand do not work, neither does the military

This translates to many perps running free with a smile for you.

 

How about Murder Rates? Stats? By population or country neither is great.

 

Anyway the point of the Op was

1. SURVEY: Is Thailand dangerous enough that you would not recommend it as a holiday destination for those not visiting friends or family?

 

As such yes I would not recommend it based on living in Thailand long enough to see clearly its faults outweigh its benefits

The world is a big place with many beautiful countries to enjoy for holidays.

 

Unless your a monger who needs to buy a date or looking for the cheapest place to go then just look elsewhere

Btw: Cheap is relative as the value you get for the same or a tiny bit more is so much better in so many other places.

Most who claim it is heaven on earth are stuck there in their own personal hell due to lack of funds/planning.

 

 

 

 

 

Nicely put. Agree on all points. Well said.

10 hours ago, naboo said:

 

 

 

Well my wife always gets me to sit with the rocket scientists, and I have the same conversation with them!

 

Did I win?

There's a difference. In the first examples the problem is that Thais don't understand you. With the tocket sciences, I imagine they speak to you in words they think you'll understand. Might be wrong...

2 minutes ago, dexjnr555 said:

How would you know, were you around back then?

I wasn't around for your birth, friend, but I'm pretty sure it happened. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to make inane comments, and then we'd all lose out.

2 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

It seems that the PM has a tremendous amount of free time on his hands to occupy himself with such pointless trivia.  I wonder if has noticed that look thung and mor lam singers and dancers up and down the country are wearing similar outfits and doing similar dance moves.  However, most are not as successful as Lamyai, who is clearly a victim of her own success.  

 

Loved the way the organisers of the concert that was raided by the army got Lumyai to cover up with a demin jacket but left the sexy dancers on either side of her wearing the same bikini outfit as Lamyai without any cover up. 

This guy's a muppet pure and simple. A population get the government they deserve. So be it. Thais deserve a clown as (self-appointed) prime minister, and they've got one. No point crying about it now. Muppets like this will do what they think they can get away with. Thais let them get away with everything, so som nam na.

I have my home, my books and what I've learned in life to make sense of it all. And I've got a cold beer and a patio to sit and drink it on. So far as I'm concerned, Prayuth and his boys can do what they want. Zero impact on me.

1 hour ago, WhyYouTalkMeBad said:

Just sarcasm considering London today.

Thailand would be for a foreigner in the top 5 safest as long as you don't drive or fall head of heels for prostitute

I just love this nonsense. Do you not think that the rankings as published were based on stats? Thailand stats from the Thailand government one presumes.

If you have better knowledge or stats, then you ought to send them to the publishers and set them straight. I'm sure they'd appreciate it.

12 hours ago, wump said:

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As for your argument about cheap labour: Totally invalid, as 1) 300 Baht a day is not cheap anymore on the world market and 2) in a maximum of 10 years 60% of manual labour will be gone due to robots. Geez, even in 5 years there won't be any drivers in taxis anymore.

I'd be prepared to make a sizeable bet that none of that happens in Thailand. Apart from that, I acknowledge your opinion.

20 minutes ago, wump said:

 

I don't know why you hold such a grudge against Thai people. Nobody educated them properly and they are poor... of course then money is number 1. But times WILL change. There is a lot of educated people (having been overseas etc) now and Facebook groups that tell things how they are. Give it time. Certainly not 20 years.

"I don't know why you hold such a grudge against Thai people."

I understand but I am not going to justify it to you. My experience of Thais is the responsibility of Thais. I do not hold a grudge, there is no point holding a grudge with Thais any more than it's reasonable to hold a grudge against my dog for pooping on the grass. He doesn't understand his error, and neither do Thais understand why they are ostracised the world over. Not all people who disparage Thais (and you will find them in many countries) are wrong. Other than that, I refuse to pretend that I like what I have seen. Others may do so, others may choose to see different things. I will not.

"But times WILL change."

I've been hearing that for 13 years. Times in Thailand show absolutely no sign of changing, indeed, most Thais seem happy with their unhappy culture and/or lack the will to effect change. The people are undereducated and lazy, by design, it was intended in order to ensure a ready supply of cheap labour.. These factors enable the elites to continue to rape and pillage, the country for their own benefit and the whole culture, though in the triggered process of collapsing, will not lose it's pernicious impact for another 50 years (2 generations).

I do not gild the lily, I have no time for incompetence and dishonesty, therefore I have no time for Thais unless they can demonstrate they are honest and industrious, which most of them cannot. So far, after 13 years in Thailand, I have not met anyone who can satisfy both of these requirements. Naturally, I look less hard over time as I lose interest. Sometimes I feel like Diogenes, but to be honest, these days I don't try very hard. I understand Thailand and Thais very well, and I'm not impressed with their real worth or their imagined worth (which has been drummed into them since birth). I have never seen a people whose estimation of their own value is so far ahead of their actual worth. Here's a test. Speak to me again in 5 years and lets's discuss the new high-speed railway.

11 minutes ago, reenatinnakor said:

Put it this way... Whenever I'm driving thru East London, my reflex action automatically lock my car doors! That has never happened anywhere in Thailand. Or Asia... Maybe in Manila I was wary, but generally Asia is the safest places on the planet. You don't get stabbed or mugged like you would in Southall.

Accept the opinion. It's natural to form opinions based on your own experience, but concern for safety and/or making assessments (even knee-jerk assessments) ought to take account of the overall incidence of personal crime. With respect, the only thing you can really say is that you have not YET been a victim, though many others have been according to the news and other reports.

The survey did not ask if you had been assaulted, it asked if Thailand was safe for lone tourists, a question which makes most comments I have seen from posters irrelevant since they have usually commented on whether they feel or have been personally secure, which is specifically not what was asked. A poorly worded survey I will grant, but it is what it is.

3 minutes ago, Na Lee said:

I humbly bow my head to your extraordinary intelligence.
With love from Mommy.

Sent from my BLL-L22 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Posting error. please delete. Or not, depending upon which mod is on duty..

11 minutes ago, SEEDGER said:

I'm imagine that Switzerland maybe one of the safest places in the world; that is until you strip down to your underwear get drunk and run down the streets screaming I hate Bankers. 

 

When you come too you find yourself in hospital or jail.   You wonder what happened to the safety. (Duh)

 

Thailand is the same; exercise good judgement, don't incite trouble with the locals or call them names and "DO NOT Give them The BIRD," under any circumstance.  Basically respect the people and culture and you be fine.

 

It's the people that come to Thailand and act with no restraint what so ever; people get drunk and fall off buildings, get in accidents on the road, throw all catuion to the wind  and go home with what they think is a girl, without checking under the hood first!  These are the idiots that give Thailand headaches and should be banned for life. Sure there will be accidents that happen; "most involving a mini bus" but that is life.

 

I lived in Thailand for nearly three years and not a day passes that I dream of being able  to return. I found Thailand to be a wonderful place to live and very safe.

Send me a PM, I'll swap lives with you, I like Switzerland, based on a 2-week honeymoon spent there. I do not like this place and I absolutely despise the people who I believe either grovel and are obsequious to you or are arrogant and condescending to you. They are under-educated, under-intelligent, they are hugely xenophobic and study incompetence as a skill as many foreigners would study history or literature. As much as I detest the military government, I have to say that Thais deserve exactly what they've got, and good luck to them for the next 20 years.

My considered response to living among Thais is simple. I assume incompetence and deceit in all things despite my own inclination to honesty and fairness. I ask my wife to deal with Thais because I know they will try to charge me a farang tax and in any case, even though she has no problem with my Thai (perfect but understandable) most Thais will pretend not to understand just to be a pain in the a$$. I have no time for them, but it suits me to live in Thailand for a number of reasons not associated with any imaginary benefit the people might bring.

1 hour ago, Chou Anou said:

... The only times I've ever felt mildly threatened in Thailand has not been by Thais, it's been by drunk farangs out for a fight (I swear, some <deleted>s have three goals when they go out on the town in Thailand: get laid, get drunk, and fight someone.  The first two goals are plenty for me!).  I get this a lot from guys with "short man complex," thinking they're going to prove something by fighting a big guy.  

Makes you wonder what proportion of men (esp single or newly single men) come to Thailand because of it's poor law enforcement, its reputation for easy sex, and their ability to easily conceal psychological flaws in a country where (in my opinion) psychological flaws are the norm. Still, false acceptance and courtesy are better than neither I suppose.

But this has been said before.

2 hours ago, wump said:

 

Okay, I do understand you now and you could've just said what you posted in another thread. I feel kinda sad that you think this way. Are many Thais lazy and uneducated? Certainly. Do they lack the desire to achieve? Probably. But please: Get out of the tourist hell spots and you will find one of the most caring, generous and kind people in the world. Learning the language does help as well.

 

Edit: As this topic is about first-time tourists, I may add that apart from a couple of temple-closed, meter-kaputt and jetski-scams even first-timers would be relatively safe. Just don't be an ass and you'll be fine. 

 

Thanks. I am not in the tourist areas, I live upcountry, so what you say in that respect does not apply. And I'm not an ass, I don't look for trouble, in general people don't pick on me, Thais or otherwise but there are reasons for that. My estimation of Thailand is not so much in it's trouble-generating potential for me but for its future prospects for my wife and step-kids, all of whom agree with me (but don't have to) that Thailand has a bleak future of it's own making.

Anyway, in most respects, my experience is not your experience, and my opinion is not your opinion. Safe to leave it at that I think I do not insult you for having a different opinion, and there is no benefit to you in you doing so.

Just now, wump said:

A lot of people on here are not native English speaker. Your holier-than-thou speech really does not help at all. I'm outta here.

Right. Got that. Thanks.

Interesting that you now describe it as holier-than-thou, it used to be smart. Progress of a sort I suppose. My friend, you own your feelings and responses. not me. I cannot create them for you, you do that on your own, it's a legacy of your life experience.

Not my problem.

1 minute ago, wump said:

Why instead of all this mystery don't you just post your opinion to his reply?

Did that already, to the OP. Before it all got hijacked.

9 minutes ago, wump said:

You are not expressing any views. When being asked why you accuse someone of feeling superior to Thais you only reply with "I won't tell. I'm so smart, I can read between the lines". Absolutely not okay IMO.

Oh. Sorry. You do rather move the goalposts though. First you say I wasn't saying what I thought, then it's why I thought it and now you attribute to me comments I never made. who'd have thought a conversation could be so tiring?

And you claim to feel lost. So do I now... better off having a cold beer I think.

Still, useful to reflect that I am not, nor do I feel, nor should you think I am stupid for not knowing something that you do happen to know. And the reverse applies.

2 minutes ago, billybog said:

Wump,

     I have learned that their are some people, who no matter what, have an ax to grind. they feel that they are above anyone else, have more knowledge than anyone...

We all feel better when we converse with people at a level. I'm very happy to see you're trying to find the right level for you. Let me know if I can help you with that. Enjoy your night out - and don't get mugged...

Just now, wump said:

At least we agree then. The whole bickering thing will get deleted anyway so let's just leave it there.

Good idea. Can you explain the difference between bickering and a healthy exchange of conflicting views? I have only expressed my view. How you view that is a combination of how you interpret what I say and your instinctive emotional response to words you don't think ought to be right. All of which is perfectly natural.

Have a great (what remains of the ) day.

5 minutes ago, wump said:

 

"I'm so smart and I won't tell you what I think". Is this how this forum works or are you just being a bit of a <deleted> now?

Correct. But to be fair, I have told you what I think. I won't try to explain why I think it, but that's something different.

1 minute ago, wump said:

Now I'm completely lost. Are you inferring he has a better-than-you attitude? Didn't sound like it to me.

I understand.

1 minute ago, billybog said:

wow, 

i guess what i have heard about some posters is 100% correct. lets just say good bye and to each their own.

Good idea. Knowledge isn't for everyone, ask any random Thai person.

1 minute ago, wump said:

Well I don't know. Care to elaborate?

Sure, if you can give me a persuasive argument as to why I would give you for free what it took me years and thousands to learn, I'll be happy to.

1 minute ago, wump said:

@TrumpishWhere did he say that? He made a very sensible post IMO.

He didn't say that, I inferred it. How did I infer it? Long study of linguistics and many years of practice applying it. 

You can't agree? Ok, you're entitled not to agree.

You don't know how to delve beneath the words? That's OK as well, I probably don't know very much about your profession or ex-profession.

2 minutes ago, billybog said:

TRUMPISH,

 

 I have no idea what you are trying to convey....but, like you said..we are all different.

Fair enough. If you don't know then you don't know. I and some others know, and the OP knows. That's good enough...

1 minute ago, billybog said:

The only time pattaya is not safe, is if you are stumbling drunk at 3 AM walking down dark alleys. You will probably get robbed. I have been going since 1996, I enjoy drinking partying. Now, i am back at condo usually around 10-12PM..before, i would stay out until 3-5 AM..never have had any problem walking where i was going. Use your head...dont be a butt hole and it is fine. ALSO...people who tend to wear gold around their necks, gold rings, gold watches...WHAT DO YOU EXPECT...you are flaunting wealth to dirt poor people.

And apparently feeling good about yourself while doing it.

I think I'd be a bit ashamed, but hey, we're all different eh?