JBChiangRai

Is this an Atto or a Seal?

I can confirm the new 410 models all have PM2.5 filtration, the cheaper model does not display the PM2.5 level, it probably doesn't have the sensors but it does have the filter.

We do know the cost of Hydrogen, it's about 5 times more expensive per km than a battery EV, it could be even more expensive if they tax Hydrogen. There could be a shortage of Lithium which will encourage Hydrogen cars. But bear in mind, if your Hydrogen car is going to be more expensive to run than an EV, it will need to be cheaper to buy.

I just sold an MG EP+, I could have sold it 3 times over.

They are missing a Dinosaur, the Expatoilasaurus

They are stunningly quick, when you're overtaking you're usually off the throttle part way through the maneuver and sometimes even breaking part way through the maneuver.

I saw 320 outside on my car yesterday. I opened the doors and tried again, it still reads 5. The Atto 3 does appear to be accurate.

If they are an interim, then what is the next one? Everyone couldn't change to EV's instantly, government networks can adequately cope with the rate of uptake of EV's.. Hertz quoted weak demand as the reason they disposed of their Tesla's. Customers don't like it when you cut the prices of your product. It might tempt some new customers but it really upsets customers holding the product. Hertz bought 100,000 Tesla's if I recall correctly, Musk dropping the price and 100,000 used vehicles flooding the market won't have gone down well. At least one analyst is predicting Tesla will ship less cars this year than last year and make a loss. Now is not a time to hold Tesla stock.

Interesting

I forgot you were British and therefore REALLY DO have a sense of humour.

Now you're spoiling my fun, I loved the Dinosaur analogy. I vaguely remember V8's and other cars fueled by oil, weren't they popular last century? I loved the noisy cabins, the vibration that made you tired after a long drive, the harshness of the engine, all those moving parts that often broke down, their pedestrian pace, their inefficiency.

I don't think the car is a lemon, I think it cutting power is the way I drive it. I am not sure if my PM2.5 inside the car display is accurate or nailed on 5 by design. If other Seals do display PM2.5 correctly then I suspect I have a problem. What does your inside PM2.5 say?

Nobody is saying EV's are for everyone. If you live in a condo or have to park on the street, it makes owning them challenging. Not impossible but challenging. My 76 year old lady-friend is buying one and she lives off grid and will only charge it at BYD while she eats a free breakfast once a week or other restaurants and shopping malls. Some enlightened condo blocks are already fitting charging points, it is happening but too slowly. Harping on? I prefer to put it as educating the ignorant. It's a common misunderstanding that all 7/11's or petrol stations need charging stations. It's a common misunderstanding that you need a charging station within 150km of your house if you charge at home. It's a common misunderstanding that they are more prone to catch fire. It's a common misunderstanding that Thailand's charging networks is poorly developed. I could go on, but I don't wish to be accused of harping on...

They were pretty good with me, but did make me buy a battery which wasn't needed.

Yes I agree with you. I always advise people to test drive each model and then decide, if you do that, the choice is a no-brainer. But take out the extended warranty on the Ford or you'll be sorry!

Sorry to break it to you, but your type of vehicle is going the way of the animals that made the oil they use. The question is "Are you going to be one too?" See the light, go EV!

I bought a new Toyota Vigo here years ago, I changed it for a Ford Ranger in 2013. I was stunned at the difference in how they drove. The Toyota was noisy, badly sprung and fairly spartan inside for a top model, the Ford drove like a saloon car, far quieter, smoother and much more comfortable suspension too but it was in and out the dealership with niggly little problems. Air con activators sticking, battery not charging properly, they could never fix that, even the guy from Ford's Thailand HQ couldn't fix it, they tried to tell me it was a special feature of the battery management unit (after they made me buy an unnecessary new battery). EV's are so much simpler, only 1% of the moving parts.

Maybe you should buy another before 2035...

We are in the middle of the smoky season here in Chiang Rai. My friend drove an Atto yesterday and we noticed the PM2.5 display showed varying PM2.5 inside the car. On my Seal it seems to be nailed on 5, I have never seen it say anything other than 5, are yours any different?

Two weeks ago S&P downgraded Nissan's credit rating to Junk, it's hardly surprising they are consolidating product lines, they are fighting to survive. Ever since Ghosn left they have been in trouble. If we take Norway, In 2020, 50% of new car sales were BEV, in 2022 it was almost 80%, today it's 90%. You can't say this is the innovation stage. It's not even the early adoption stage. I don't care what any report or theory says, common sense tells you it's way past innovation stage. It doesn't matter how many vehicles are on the road, it's all about "current behaviour". In Thailand, people were innovating 5 years ago with grey market Tesla's. Innovators were buying MG EP's, ORA Good Cat, BYD Atto 3's. I think we are in the early adoption stage or are at the tail end of it. If we fast-forward to 2035, 100% of new car sales will be electric, if we use the flawed EXRO methodology, they will all be innovators, which is nonsense. If you want to discuss IT careers, send me a PM, I'm always happy to discuss IT.

It’s because I don’t agree with the exro article you quoted. It looks like it’s been copied from a IT article and been doctored with percentages. There is no way 20% of new car buyers in December and January are innovators. The adoption cycle has nothing to do with existing vehicles on the road and has everything to do with the percentage of new vehicle purchases. EV’s have been around over a decade, only the early Tesla roadster and Model S buyers were innovators, Model 3 buyers were early adopters. I come from the IT sector, we see the adoption cycle regularly, sometimes several times a year with various products. I have 45 years experience of the adoption cycle. EV’s are in the early adoption process and Norway is way past that too.

No, forget the percentages, we are way past the innovators stage. Tesla and it’s early buyers were the innovators, we are now well into the early adopter stage with a dozen or more manufacturers, offering EV’s and people all over the world, taking them up.

Finally, something we agree on. We are indeed in the early adoption phase.

You need to extrapolate sales growth based on what's been happening. According to Bloomberg, S&P just downgraded Nissan's credit rating to Junk Japan's Automaker Nissan Credit Rating Cut to Junk Status by S&P Global - Bloomberg

And the year-on-year growth in EV's tells you exactly what consumers are choosing....