Chomper Higgot

Very clearly the IDF lied about the circumstances of the slaughter of these Paramedics and have yet to provide information on the one Paramedic who remains missing. They, the IDF, clearly lack any credibility to undertake an investigation or play any party in an investigation other than as subjects of an investigation into a probable war crime.

I doubt anybody forgets those heinous crimes. They are however not part of the events under discussion. Let’s be very clear, no heinous war crime is any justification for another.

Utter nonsense. Zero evidence has been provided of these Paramedics being Hamas terrorists in disguise. The IDF didn’t ‘Probably lie’ about this slaughter of paramedics, they absolutely did lie. An international investigation does not need to take place within Gaza. Can you please provide evidence of your repeated claim of The Red Crescent being affiliated to Hamas.

That doesn’t explain the lies and burying the evidence. What it is however is an excuse offered for a possible war crime. An international investigation would be an opportunity to offer that excuse and any other evidence surrounding the accusation of a war crime. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

Where the lights of the ambulances in which the paramedics gunned down by the IDF were slaughtered illuminated or not? Did the IDF lie about that or not? Is the call by the Red Crescent for an international investigation into these killings reasonable or not?

Hogwash.

Do you have an argument against an international investigation into this slaughter?

Liars can easily claim stuff, it’s a characteristic of being a liar. These reasonable grounds you claim, would not require lies to be told. And yet lies were told by the killers.

Nevertheless it is an example that contradicts the extreme hyperbole in the post I responded to. There are others: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/10/world/middleeast/israelis-palestinians-peace-activists.html

Nick, You used the heinous crimes committed by Hamas as justification for these killings. I’ve asked you which of the 30 victims of these bombings of a bakery, a hospital and a refugee camp took part in the heinous crimes committed by Hamas. If you don’t have evidence they did, then perhaps you should refrain from offering that particular excuse for these killings. Thank you for at least admitting the IDF’s response is barbaric. Though that only begs the question why would you offer up excuses?

That’s a huge exaggerated misrepresentation of reality. There absolutely are extremists within Israel and amongst Israel’s supporters who have voiced opinions calling for acts that would be genocide, but they are a rabid minority and by no means any kind of majority. https://theconversation.com/in-israel-calls-for-genocide-have-migrated-from-the-margins-to-the-mainstream-250010 https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org

The deliberate killing of paramedics is also a war crime. The only thing we can be sure about what the IDF thought wrt the gunning down of these paramedics is that they, the IDF, thought it necessary to lie about the circumstances of the slaughter of the paramedics that they, the IDF, committed.

We know the IDF did lie, we know war is dirty, we have the video footage recovered from the phone of the body of a paramedic gunned down by the IDF and dumped in a shallow grave. The Ted Crescent’s calls for an international investigation are entirely reasonable.

Which of the 30 victims in these reported air strikes in a bakery, hospital and refugee camp were participants in any of the heinous crimes you refer to?

You’ve obviously not been reading the reports from both sides in this war.

There’s more where they came from.

The ‘axis of evil expands’. Russia, N.Korea, and now China. “In parallel, Russian Foreign Ministry officials are set for talks with U.S. counterparts in Istanbul, signaling attempts to address broader diplomatic issues between the nations, including the normalization of embassy operations.” With Trump eager to get ‘on side’. Not a ‘Devastating Consequence’ in sight.

I’ll leave all that to your imagination Nick. Refer top of the thread for the actual topic of discussion: Gaza Medic Killings: Israel's Shifting Stories Under Fire

I comment on a wide range of topics on this forum, to say I am ‘focussed on Israel’ is patent nonsense. Here we have a topic examining Israel’s misrepresentation of truth wrt to the killing of civilians by the Israeli military, it’s topical this week on account of the IDF gunning down paramedics and lying about the circumstances of the killings. The forum management have chosen to post this topic which is open for members to discuss. I’m a member and I therefore may discuss this open topic. I trust that’s OK with you?! You and one other member have offered up whataboutary to this topic If you don’t like the topic of discussion, pass it bye or take your objections up with the moderators. I personally have no say in what topics are chosen for the forum but I am pleased to see this very typical subject open for discussion.

But but but… Whatabout… Syria… Yemen…. But but but.

But but but. Whatabout…. Dresden… Coventry… but but but.

The video footage found on the dead body of a Paramedic gunned down by the IDF and dumped in a shallow grave isn’t lying. So let’s dispense with your whataboutary.

And yet nobody has produced any verifiable evidence here. Odd that, don’t you think?!

Agree entirely. I would only add their motives and the benefit they themselves ‘receive’ is worthy of close examination.

“People are asking for verifiable proof / evidence etc.. which is impossible when they can turn around and simply say the IDF was lying.” Well apart from the video footage recovered from the phone of a paramedic gunned down and dumped in a shallow grave by the IDF and the actual statements made by the IDF which are contradicted by that video evidence. The statement ‘The IDF lied’ is a statement of fact.