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1 hour ago, Rancid said:

Often the wealthy are also reasonably well educated or have access to insider knowledge. Even the CDC has stated that these vaccines seem to knock people around quite a lot, in fact they are for most far worse than the virus. Likewise it will take quite a while for the side effects, particularly on the immune system to become apparent. Then toss in the company studies are not peer reviewed, the best results published have been in the strongest younger age groups, the older group reactions haven't been released.

 

As such I would expect these high earners to avoid the vaccine like the plague, they will wait and see what happens in the longer term to the serfs before getting jabbed. These people love their money and being able to spend it, they wont take any chances with their health.

 

3 billion vaccines? Do the math on the profits to be made and then one can understand why there is such a massive media and government push for it.

Spreading these kinds of unsubstantiated theories isn’t really helping. 

7 minutes ago, DLock said:

 

That little quip is certainly very telling of how Thailand see's the vaccine being distributed.

 

...but fortunately other countries are a bit smarter than old Somkiat, and the vaccine will go to healthcare workers and the vulnerable first...not the wealthy.

 

Calculation may be incorrect slapnuts.

 

Fail.

Wealthy people may - and probably will - be able to buy the vaccine and bypass the government mandated order of distribution. But not in droves, so it won't have much impact on who comes to Thailand first. 

The first planes will be full of old, sick people - and the morbidly obese... since they are all part of the vulnerable groups. If you follow the logic of Somkiat. 

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

I gave up smoking for 10 years. I call BS on this.

Are you calling BS on my sense of smell? That’s amusing. 

22 hours ago, SpanishExpat said:

Don`t know where you live, but here in Germany the risk is close to 0 to get trough the process. 

Here you first apply for the visa and after that you start to COE process.  Haven't heard of any case, where the COE was rejected, if you upload the right flight/ASQ booking & the health insurance.

 

Airports like Frankfurt offer PCR tests, where they guarantee 97% will be done within 12hrs and 99% within 24hrs. If you pay premium, you even get your result within 6hrs.

 

The only small risk is the ASQ thing, but for that you clarify their cancellation-policies before you book it. Some hotels offer free date changes. If there is a problem <72hrs before flying with a cancelled flight/ positive PCR test, there are still enough hotels which rebook it for free or allow to cancel it for 10% of the total price. 

So if someone doesn`t check the cancellation policy and looses 50% or even the full amount, it`s that persons fault .

You are right, I’ve rechecked the local labs and they now offer PCR results in 36 hours. That’s one scary obstacle removed ????

2 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

It's officially scrapped as per numerous examples from various Embassies around the world posted in this thread.

Still not scrapped at "my" Thai embassy...

3 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

Or even better, get a false + in quarantine, dragged off to hospital without any symptoms for a minimum 14 days and find out the small print in your covid insurance states it doesn't kick in for the first 15 days 

Is that small print real or just something you worry about?

Is there any official word of the THB 500K requirement being withdrawn? Or is it just conjecture based on the actions of a few embassies? (Maybe not conjecture so much as good reasoning based on experience with the Thai government's standard style of backtracking, but still a guess.) 

The main reason I prefer apartments on 3rd floor upwards. 

16 hours ago, philosphrstone said:

Ban yourself...  a gun never killed anyone by itself.  

No it takes a 3-year old kid to do it

https://nypost.com/2020/10/11/boy-3-dies-after-he-accidentally-shoots-himself-at-oregon-home/

6 hours ago, aussiexpat said:

I couldn't believe this so I checked the Thai consulate site in Australia. Yep, required to show you've had a minimum of A$25,000 in your bank for last 6 months

 

But wait, they forgot to mention in the OP that they now also require proof of confirmed accommodation for entire stay as well (includes 14 days ASQ)

 

Madness as appears all about money rather than any covid risks

 

I think there’s method in this madness. At least the way they see it.

Instead of having 30,000,000 tourists spend 1,000 baht per day they now want 1,000 tourists to spend 30,000,000 baht per day. Ideally. 

They understand that they have to limit the number of tourists when they open up the country. This is a way to make sure that the first group is the wealthiest group. 
 

It’s still madness. But there is a logic to it. 

8 hours ago, BobBKK said:

It amazes me that any girl would be a 'mia noi' fully knowing the scum she is with has a wife and family. 

Man-up if you want this new girl and divorce the wife, pay maintenance and stop being such a scum-bag.

I’d say you’re just making a case against marriage. 

1 hour ago, AndrewMciver said:

Is this just a recommendation or a proposal ? 

 

Personally ... they've caught quite a few cases around the 14 day mark, that it wouldn't make sense. 

 

 

That’s when they are tested. Once at the beginning of quarantine and once around day 11, which is the twelfth or thirteenth day depending on how they count day 1. 

41 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

 

Thailand has a hot climate, and in Europe during summer the hospitals were empty as well. It is a false narrative to always claim that the hospitals in Europe were full of dying people all the time. The Covid deaths per day in Europe were around 10 per country during summer.

 

I agree that now in autumn the numbers in Europe are growing. This only confirms the impact of the climate, and nobody should neglect that when comparing countries.

 

It is quite likely that the situation in Thailand is similar to Europe during summer time, but with very few testing one will never know. But 10 deaths per day with a diagnosis on pneumonia hardly would cause a lot of publicity.

 

And also it is quite clear that European tourists, if tested negative, would not pose a big danger when arriving to Thailand, as the Thai climate helps to prevend a spread of the virus even if one is tested false negative. 

 

 

You could attribute it to the weather. But there are other factors at play. The warmer season coincides with holidays, kids not being in school, adults not going to work, people not crowding the public transport system. When they return to their normal routines the infection numbers go up. Whatever the weather is. 
 

I’ve noticed something weird about the hospitalisation statistics. The numbers have been going up in Europe for number of patients in ICUs. It’s an undulating curve. It dips at the end of every calendar month and then rises. How can that be? Do people miraculously get better around paydays?

7 hours ago, rabas said:

There's a graph for that, from Cambridge:

 

 

You are right, about 10-20% will test positive after 10 days! 

 

Even at 14 days, 1 out of 100 will test positive. I read about 4 to 10 testing positive during quarantine almost everyday. So even now, 1 will test positive after quarantine every 2 weeks, like the thai lady did.

 

So Anutin's thinking: as a new wave sweeps the world, make sure 20% get in.  Lord almighty, a concrete worker, responsible for immunology, for a Thai military government.

Catching 70-80% of all infected individuals is a higher efficiency than the vaccines currently in third stage trials can offer. 
 

Also, when playing with statistics like this, please remember that most if not all of the people eligible for this 10 day quarantine have been tested before their flights. And we know that an extremely low percentage of these have been found     to be infected during the 14 day quarantine. Almost all of the infections found have been among the untested Thai travellers. 
 

So if the current scheme has thrown up ten infected individuals, reducing the quarantine with four days might mean we miss one or two infected individuals, given the same volume of travellers. Hardly something to get alarmed about. 

2 hours ago, kokesaat said:

As you said, the hotels have to be paired with a hospital.  And the hotel has to take the necessary precautions to ensure that people in ASQ stay in their rooms and not roam around.  The incident with the Egyptian diplomat who skipped out, Covid positive, and went shopping while quarantined back in ?June? probably didn't help matters.  I doubt that many hotels would take the necessary precautions to meet the government requirements.  The fact is that most all the Covid positive cases over the last 6 or so months have been from inbound passengers who are in quarantine.  

In the early days of trying to return to Thailand, finding an ASQ qualified hotel wasn't easy.  I believe there are now many more hotels that qualify as ASQ hotels.  They run from very cheap to very expensive. I'd guess the hotels have to follow a rigid list of requirements to qualify......I'd be happy to take a stab at translating the list if anyone has it.

 

It's interesting how information gets scrambled over time...

There was a plane of Egyptian soldiers who declared they were all exempt from any quarantine requirements (as crew? or it might have been that military staff were excluded, but they were not diplomats). They were hopping all over Asia and when they stopped at U-Tapao they visited a shopping center. They were not in quarantine, it was just a short stop. July 8-11, with a day trip to China. All the soldiers had to be tested for Covid 19 before they left, but the results weren't in until they had gone home, at which point one of the soldiers tested positive. 

At the same time a young daughter of a Sudanese diplomat tested positive in Bangkok.

My memory might be scrambled too...

1 hour ago, JusticeGB said:

It shows respect and would have avoided that incident. As far as I am aware the words include respect to the Deleted and country. The UK National Anthem has the words God save our Gracious Queen. I have always stood up for that Anthem too. What you do is up to you.

Gracious?

6 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Happening the world over, tourism is like any other business model, if supply/demand change so does your revenue... suck it up.

Not really a fair way to look at this...

Imagine that you're running a business with some street traffic, say it's a restaurant or a massage shop or a cleaning service. It depends on people having access to your front door. Then the local government comes along and puts a transformer station across your entrance. Or puts a huge fence around your property, essentially making it impossible for your customers to get access. The government also asks you to be patient, the fence will be removed. Soon. But time drags on.

You have zero income. Your business would still have customers, if only they could get access. You would just "suck it up"? You wouldn't feel any need to ask for compensation from the local government? Or ask for the fence to be removed?

3 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

The newly quoted 20% of GDP for Thai Tourism, now has to be the " Standard " because it has come from the BOT.

I find it a bit disconcerting that BOT has stuck their Paddle into the Mix of trying to return Tourists back to the Country.

We have of course the TAT " Dream Boys ", and the Medical Minister and his Cronies also making all kinds of irrational statements, and now the BOT.

Are the BOT starting to Brick-It due to the outflows of Money from their coffers, whilst nothing is coming into them from the Tourists, Poor Export performance, and Agri prices, and a collapsing property Market.

I guess time will tell.

How is it disconcerting? I find it hopeful - even though the messaging is not entirely coherent ????

But it lays the groundwork for the government to do an about-face without losing said face.