
Caldera
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5 hours ago, Don Mega said:
The article says people have not been able to go home due to closed home borders, which countries have not allowed its citizens to return ?
You're looking at this too narrowly. Some people work in a country other than their home country and cannot return to their "home" as long as only citizens are allowed back in.
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I have never heard of this influencer and would have preferred to keep it this way.
Just looking at the title bait, I thought it was about Sean Penn, Sean Hannity or another somewhat interesting Sean.
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6 hours ago, Jajazazajaja said:no, they told people 3 months ago they had to leave before 31st July
Wrong. They told people that their permission to stay got automatically extended to July 31st. That was already the second automatic extension, so it's not unreasonable to assume that there might be a 3rd one forthcoming if the situation hasn't returned to normal, pending further announcements.
At no point did the Thai government tell any foreign nationals to leave, provided they were legally in Thailand on March 26th. Several embassies, on the other hand, did tell their citizens to reconsider their stay in Thailand and/or urged them to return outright.
And let's put that in perspective: There are still thousands of Thais stranded in foreign countries as well. They, too, rely on their host countries being lenient with them.
I think the time has passed for not extending the amnesty, as land borders remain closed and flights out remain limited. I do believe, however, that they are working on issuing extensions at immigration offices instead of renewing the automatic blanket amnesty. If they'll be able to make this change this month remains to be seen.
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I've always thought it's a silly idea. It takes too long to negotiate this bilaterally, and in the meantime there will be new outbreaks.
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41 minutes ago, mrmicbkktxl said:
It's 2020 everything is electronic/digital etc. then 7 days or longer is just not acceptable
It is what it is, the very same applies to other merchants as well. Ever booked a flight with AirAsia and requested a refund later?
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I would vote "Yes, but" if that was an option. I think the amnesty will be extended, but there will be strings attached - such as attending an immigration office for an actual extension, paying a fee, showing supporting documents, the likes.
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As visiting a local immigration office isn't considered a risk anymore, I think it's not unlikely that they will extend the amnesty BUT require those who want to continue to stay to show up (and, in all likelihood, pay up). If they will introduce a "special" extension or try to operate within the existing framework (embassy letters) remains to be seen.
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Highly optimistic. There's only so much domestic tourists can travel and spend; they will either get bored or run out of time or money.
I think they've made the mistake to base their estimate on the post-lockdown domestic travel numbers, obviously a spike to make up for lost time. Once the new economic reality sets in, far fewer people will be willing and able to travel around.
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8 hours ago, garyk said:
Actually not a bad idea, especially if you don’t care. Stay a few years on over stay, head to the airport pay the 20 k. And head out. Never come back, and save yourself the hassle of immigration.
As long as you're prepared to cut your stay short at a moment's notice and to spend a few weeks at the IDC on your way out, that is.
Hard to tell what the likelihood of a clean exit is. A lot depends on where you live, your lifestyle, and plain old luck. I wouldn't like to take my chances.
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That sounds neither practical nor fun, they basically want to imprison those valued travelers at a resort. I wonder how many takers there will be, but then again, they only plan to let 1000 people in per day anyway.
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There isn't even any consistency in what hotels copy. Some only copy the data page while others look up (or try to look up) the latest entry or extension stamp.
I've printed a copy of the amnesty announcement in Thai language and keep that with my passport. If a receptionist ever mentions that my permission has expired, I'll show them this and invite them to call the 1178 hotline. So far, that hasn't happened yet.
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Thailand and many other Asian countries got that right long before most Western countries. I'll give them that, and personally, I started to wear a mask in Bangkok long before it became a requirement.
That said, there's no excuse for Anutin's rude and unprofessional remarks. No need to apologize to that piece of work.
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This is just dumb. I often include alcohol in my grocery deliveries, as I don't particularly enjoy schlepping cases of beer around.
If the delivery guy doubts that I'm of drinking age already, he could just ask me for ID, same as a cashier at a supermarket or a bouncer at a nightclub. Easy.
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Considering that almost 3 million Thais who used to work in the tourist industry are now out of work (according to a news item today), allowing Thai embassies in safe and nearby countries to issue tourist visas again would actually be a smart move once the land borders open.
At some point, Thailand will need to shift its focus on its economic recovery. Otherwise there will be riot potential in other quarters.
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It's almost pointless as far as the venues that target foreigners are concerned. Tourists cannot come and most expats know where to find what they want or need elsewhere.
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I don't see a riot coming. But it would be interesting to know some numbers: How many foreigners were on amnesty when it kicked in? How many of these left the country or were able to get a proper extension in-country in the meantime? How many remain on amnesty?
My feeling is that many have left or are about to leave already.
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Maybe interesting for reference or context, Vietnam just announced that they will extend their version of the COVID-19 visa amnesty from June 30 to July 31.
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Apparently, they weren't in any hurry to make that known before the previously communicated date (June 30, yesterday). One reason could be that they didn't want to discourage those who were willing and able to leave from actually leaving.
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Plan "A": Resume my travels to neighboring countries (of Thailand). Vietnam and Cambodia are at the top of my list, but I'd consider others. Requires open borders without quarantine and reasonable entry requirements. Not looking good as of now.
Plan "B": Remain in Thailand until Plan "A" becomes feasible. Might or might not work, depending on when and how the amnesty will end.
Plan "C": Fly back to home country, travel around in Europe until situation in Southeast Asia changes. Looks increasingly likely. I'm mostly interested in Greece and Spain. No major restrictions as of now; flights are available.
I've booked a ticket back home just in case, but could postpone that trip if things change here.
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The year 2020, when a 80% downturn looked like it might be too optimistic.
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All that talk about virus elimination is just wishful thinking. It might work for a remote island under ideal lab conditions, it won't work for a country such a Thailand that has millions of migrant workers and notoriously porous borders. There will be outbreaks in Thailand again and they will need to be dealt with. Eventually that will sink in.
I don't think travel bubbles will work. They're complicated to negotiate and situations change quickly.
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12 minutes ago, glegolo said:Why go back to USA, you can just fly out to Laos for 1.500 baht, or take a bus out or anything much much cheaper....
As of now, you can neither fly from Thailand to Laos nor travel to any neighboring country overland. It remains to be seen if that changes before the visa amnesty expires, so that's not necessarily a viable alternative the OP can plan for.
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2 hours ago, Max69xl said:
"Poor fellow. A nightmare"
Really? He just have to apply for a new visa in Laos when it's possible to cross the border to Thailand.
Are you for real? Never mind that he's stuck in a place he doesn't want to be, separated from his family. I think it's very sad!
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Retirees did not make the list of additional groups of foreigners allowed to return that was published today.
So, as of now, nobody knows when they can return - it certainly isn't imminent though.
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More than anything else, this case shows that police in Thailand don't even care for one of their own if enough money can be made from turning a blind eye. In most countries, a "cop killer" would have a very hard time buying favors from the police.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has bought/assumed the ID of some deceased Thai and goes in and out as he pleases.
Amnesty - Comments from Richard Barrow
in COVID-19 Coronavirus
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Technically, only the retroactive part of the first cabinet resolution was an "amnesty". On April 7th, they "forgave" overstays for all those who had been legally in Thailand on March 26th. The part about automatically extending permissions of stay (first to April 30th, then to July 31st) is just that, an extension.