vinny41

17 hours ago, RayC said:

 

I was living in Belgium at the time of the Brexit referendum. I was denied a vote about something that had a profound effect on my life, whereas (some of) those living in Thailand had a voice about something which, at best, had a superficial effect upon them. I am - and will remain (pun intended) - bitter about that fact and will - almost certainly - continue to whine about it: I make no apologies for doing so.

 

The vast majority of Brits - Brexiter or Remainer  - do not believe that Brexit has, to date, delivered the promised benefits. There are four possible reasons for this: 1) These benefits do not exist and people were sold a pup 2) The benefits are slow to emerge but will be seen given time 3) There are benefits but the UK negotiated the wrong deal 4) It's the right deal and the benefits should now be visible, but things have been badly implemented.

 

I am firmly in the first camp for reasons which I have outlined on many occasions.

 

Wrt 2), it is, of course, possible that the benefits will emerge in time. However, imo hanging on to this hope requires 'blind faith'. There is little evidence to support this contention. 

 

Was it the wrong deal? Imo almost certainly. However, the only better deal would have involved remaining in the Single Market and/or Customs Union. A watered-down Brexit deal would not have satisfied the ERG or Farage and would been seen as 'selling out'. These groups would have supported a harder 'no deal', but that would have been inflationary and led to the UK being even more isolated than it is currently. Why such a scenario would be considered beneficial is beyond me.

 

So, we left with the idea that the current deal is, in fact, a good deal which has been badly implemented. This is a position taken by many Brexiters which begs the simple question, 'What should/ can the UK have done differently?' I have posed this question many times but have not, as yet, received an answer.

What should have happen is that  dissolution of Parliament before the referendum vote and have a cross party remain campaign and a cross party leave campaign and the result of the vote would determine who formed the next government to implement the result of the referendum vote

58 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

BB9, the voice of reason. It is refreshing to hear from an EV owner that is just enjoying a, hopefully quality product, and not trying to sell the concept while at the same time pimping solar power, by regurgitating false insurance data, fake Saul Goodman lawyer claims or simply keeping the cherry 🍒 season open all year around.

Your and Pib's journey will be interesting to follow over the next 10 years and hopefully giving us an honest insight into any maintenance issues. 

 

All car manufacturers are in the business of profit. Japanese, Korean and European car makers have over time build a brand identity around reliability. It is just in the Chinese DNA to hide and deny, rather than investigate and improve. Time will tell if the tears 😢 we are seeing now will evaporate over time and the new manufacturers get their business in order. The jury is still out.

All vehicle brands for the Chinese market have to report any vehicle recalls to the State Administration for Market Regulation for China 

If you do a search in Chinese simplified you and Arthur Brown might be staggered in the results that you find

if you do a search for vehicle recalls in Thai you will only find a single site and the only recall is for airbags for May 2022

https://www.tcc.or.th/warning-airbag/

Turn around and look at Thailand. Automotive experts point out that recalling cars is rarely accepted to improve standards. Even though car manufacturers do recall, they do it in a way that not formal Unofficial and "not supported by law"  often use various methods to announce the recall, such as sending letters to customers or notifying through a call center but not informing the media. Unless the media inquires or receives information from abroad

https://consumersongkhla.or.th/recall-เรียกคืนรถ-น่ากลัวจริ/#:~:text=RECALL

In the past buyers were advised by dealer to put down the minimum down payment for a vehicle and put the rest down of finance ( higher the finance amount more commission for the dealership / sales person )

Now finance houses are insisting on 30% down payment and finance loan not to exceed 70% of total cost of vehicle

Latest price reduction means customer will save between B30,000 and B50,000 in down payment depending on which Dolphin model they purchase

13 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

It still may have the service based on below...maybe just not clear in the promotion/advertising.

 

Spare parts and extended warranty Please refer to the company's letter on extending the quality guarantee period (Extended Warranty) including changes made by the company. Will be announced in the future.

 

By having that statement they can fend off anyone that recently purchased at pre discount price by saying the terms are different pre purchase price includes Maintenance service, labor, spare parts for x number of years and  free wall charger and installation

there again they may decide to refund recent pre discount owners depending on numbers

when they did the Atto 3 2023 discount in March and April 2024 they did extend that offer to anyone that purchased atto 3 from January 1st 2024 by offering them the price difference from when they purchased 

At the moment anyone that has ordered a Dolphin but they haven't received it yet it makes more sense to cancel the order even if they lose their 10% deposit and place a new order if Maintenance service, labor, spare parts for x number of years and  free wall charger and installation not important to them 

4 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

Google Translate of the campaign details follows.  I Bolded the key areas.  No free wall charger, but the promotion has all the other standard and important stuff like 8 year/160K km warranty, free 1st year insurance, etc.   

 

https://www.reverautomotive.com/en/news/byd-dolphin-day-campaign

Campaign details as follows
For customers who reserve and purchase the BYD DOLPHIN electric car, Standard Range model or Extended Range model and receive a tax invoice issued between 22 June 2024 and – 30 June 2024 or until the BYD DOLPHIN electric car, Standard Range model or Extended Range model. Extended Range will be sold out and you will receive the following special privileges:

 

Cash discount up to 160,099 baht

 

BYD DOLPHIN Extended Range model 160,099 baht from the normal retail price of 859,999 baht, remaining at a special price of 699,900 baht after discount.

 

BYD DOLPHIN Standard Range model 140,099 baht from the normal retail price of 699,999 baht, remaining at a special price of 559,900 baht after discount.

Note: Discount from normal retail price. Cannot be changed to a down payment discount. or other free gifts

 

Receive free first class insurance with insurance (personal car type) for a period of 1 year from leading insurance companies participating in the program with the company as follows:

Sunday Insurance Public Company Limited

Navakij Insurance Public Company Limited

Muang Thai Insurance Public Company Limited

LMG Insurance Public Company Limited

Viriyah Insurance Public Company Limited

Tokyo Marine Insurance (Thailand) Public Company Limited

 

Special interest rate 1.98% for 25% down payment, installments for 48 months.

 

Only for customers who have received loan approval from participating financial institutions between 22 June 2024 and - 30 June 2024 only.

 

Financial institutions participating in the program include Bank of Ayudhya Public Company Limited, Kasikorn Leasing Company Limited, and Siam Commercial Bank Public Company Limited. Loans are considered according to the conditions set by the financial institutions.

 

Vehicle warranty (Warranty) 8 years or 160,000 kilometers, whichever comes first.

It extends the warranty period from the warranty manual and maintenance records from 6 years or 150,000 kilometers, whichever comes first, to 8 years or 160,000 kilometers, whichever comes first. The extended warranty period will be guaranteed by Dhipaya Insurance Company on behalf of Reve Automotive Company Limited.

Spare parts and extended warranty Please refer to the company's letter on extending the quality guarantee period (Extended Warranty) including changes made by the company. Will be announced in the future.

 

High Voltage Battery warranty: 8 years or 160,000 kilometers, whichever comes first.

The High Voltage Battery warranty is based on the terms of the warranty manual and maintenance records. and user manual only

 

Emergency assistance service 24 hours a day for 8 years includes:

24-hour towing service: For towing your vehicle to the nearest BYD service center within 100 kilometers, unlimited times per year. and lift the vehicle to a location other than BYD's service center within a distance of 35 kilometers. If exceeding, a service fee of 30 baht per kilometer will be charged, with the customer being responsible for the expenses incurred.

24-hour on-site technician service for basic troubleshooting: Free service within 20 kilometers of the nearest BYD service center. Unlimited number of times If exceeded, the service charge will be 30 baht per kilometer. The customer will be responsible for the expenses incurred.

24-hour spare key assistance service in case of accidental vehicle locking: Spare key pickup assistance service within 20 kilometers, limited to 1 time per year (12 month period) from the spare key pickup location to the accident scene. If the distance exceeds 20 kilometers, the company will charge a service fee of 30 baht per kilometer, with the customer being responsible for the expenses incurred.

 

Free electrical equipment extension cables (V-to-L) according to the company. only specified

Free AC Portable Charger cable according to the company. only specified

Free car registration fee

Receive a free rubber cloth mat and license plate frame. Medium screen protector film

Brand and type of rubber cloth carpet license plate frame Medium screen protector film It's according to the company. only specified

Receive free XUV-MAX CERAMIC window film with installation, valued at 28,000 baht.

Installation of XUV-MAX CERAMIC window film depends on the availability of the installer and the number of customers who come to use the service.

Details, limitations, procedures, warranty and warranty conditions As well as the installation standards for XUV-MAX CERAMIC tint film, it is as specified by the XUV-MAX CERAMIC tint film service provider and/or the manufacturer.

 

Campaign exceptions
This campaign cannot be used in conjunction with other promotional campaigns except in the following cases.
Customers who have received rights under this campaign are not eligible to participate in the BYD Loyalty Privilege campaign for existing customers. (Please study additional details at https://www.reverautomotive.com/news/friend-gets-friend-campaign ) unless customers who are entitled to this campaign purchase a new BYD electric vehicle of a model other than the BYD DOLPHIN Standard Range or Extended Range.

Customers who are entitled to this campaign are not eligible to participate in the Friend Gets Friend Campaign (please study additional details at https://www.reverautomotive.com/news/friend-gets-friend-campaign ) unless new customers who are recommended by customers who are eligible under this campaign will purchase a BYD DOLPHIN Standard Range or Extended Range electric car.

note
“Company” means Reve Automotive Company Limited.

Only for the purchase of BYD BYD electric car, DOLPHIN model, Standard Range model or Extended Range model from the company's dealers only.

To join the campaign The customer acknowledges and consents to the company collecting, using or disclosing names, surnames, photographs, animations, sounds and/or other information of activity participants. Whether the customer can be directly or indirectly identified (“Personal Information”) from participating in this campaign Customers can study the company's privacy policy at https://www.reverautomotive.com/privacy-policy.

Customers can ask for additional details at the customer relations department at 02-045-8888.

The company has the right to change, amend, and add various conditions. without prior notice

 

 

 

 

also missing Maintenance service, labor, spare parts for x number of years

52 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Discount: Reduced price 160,000! Special price BYD Dolphin electric car 100%: 559,900 – 699,900 baht | Clear stock before assembly in Thailand

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-discount-price-byd-dolphin-june-2024/

It would appear for the moment that the following are no longer included in the new pricing

Maintenance service, labor, spare parts for 6 years or 100,000 km.
Home Charger With installation rights*

warranty period has been increased

It extends the warranty period from the warranty manual and maintenance records from 6 years or 150,000 kilometers, whichever comes first, to 8 years or 160,000 kilometers,

Spare parts and extended warranty Please refer to the company's letter on extending the quality guarantee period (Extended Warranty) including changes made by the company. Will be announced in the future.

https://www.reverautomotive.com/en/news/byd-dolphin-day-campaign

1 hour ago, marino28 said:

Strong discount for the Byd dolphin 

Discount: Reduced price 160,000! Special price BYD Dolphin electric car 100%: 559,900 – 699,900 baht | Clear stock before assembly in Thailand

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-discount-price-byd-dolphin-june-2024/

2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

While it is understandable insurance companies are assessing their cost/risk exposure, why are manufacturers not honoring their 8 years warranty claim?

Even more so, why aren't manufacturers being held accountable?

I have seen some posts on facebook groups where the Insurance company is refusing to approve replacement battery for water in the battery issue problem for the end customer neither the dealer workshop and the insurance company provides any updates on what the issue is and what the end result will be 

i see you posted recently where someone got the red triangle of death on their screen after a car wash

and the mechanic made the call water in the battery but it turns out later they hadn't got the necessary equipment at the workshop to remove the battery and that the vehicle needs to be sent back to the factory

so is it the case the workshop has access to sensors that can detect that there is moisture in the battery how do you make the call that there is water in the battery without removing and opening up the battery

It reminds me of years ago  when people got the Blue screen of death ( BSOD) some computer shops would suggest new computer was required  without performing any form of diagnosis work on what was causing the BSOD 

People should expect EV insurance  increases in 2025

due to number of water in battery claims

OIC orders 23 companies to submit risk management plans "EV guarantee

In the past, the OIC has been concerned about flooding threats to EV vehicles. That is not only damage to the car. But it brings damage to other points, whether it's the battery, software, but it has been proven that many cases are affected by flooding. The damage was not as severe as expected. Still at an acceptable level

“OIC warns all companies to be careful of flooding. Which areas are insured and flooding occurs frequently? Let each company quote EV insurance premiums to reflect the actual risk. https://www.prachachat.net/finance/news-1569337

People should expect EV insurance might  increase in 2025

due to number of water in battery claims

OIC orders 23 companies to submit risk management plans "EV guarantee

In the past, the OIC has been concerned about flooding threats to EV vehicles. That is not only damage to the car. But it brings damage to other points, whether it's the battery, software, but it has been proven that many cases are affected by flooding. The damage was not as severe as expected. Still at an acceptable level

“OIC warns all companies to be careful of flooding. Which areas are insured and flooding occurs frequently? Let each company quote EV insurance premiums to reflect the actual risk. https://www.prachachat.net/finance/news-1569337

2 hours ago, MartinBangkok said:

Yes, Japanese company producing japanese engines in a japanese owned factory.

Forgive me if I am missing something, but please tell me what Thailand contriutes to a new Toyota other than cheap labour?

Your comments about cheap labour and slave labour your just making yourself look a fool

2024

Highest in 10 years! Toyota announces bonus payments for 8 months plus an additional 45,000 baht

It was announced for a total of 8 months and added an additional 45,000 baht and increased from the extra bonus money in 2023 paid in the amount of 7.5 months plus an extra 18,000 baht for the bonus money that Toyota announced for employees in the year. This and that This is a result of the business operating results in 2023 that passed.

https://www.matichon.co.th/economy/news_4485588

2023

Toyota gives out a bonus for 7.5 months plus an additional 38,000 baht

2022

The reporter further reported that Back in 2022, Toyota paid bonuses to employees at the same rate of 7.5 months , divided into 2 installments and adding another 34,000 baht  , with an additional 16,000 baht added to all employees. On the occasion of Toyota's 60th anniversary in the Thai market.

In total, in the past year 2022 , Toyota gave employees a bonus of 7.5 months plus 2 extra payments , totaling 50,000 baht.

https://www.prachachat.net/motoring/news-1248011

2 hours ago, MartinBangkok said:

You are saying 90% of a Toyota Hilux is made in Thailand? Bull<deleted>. Thailand is still a 1000 years from being able to make or produce a car engine or a transmission. And in a 1000 years if they succeed, everything will be made from blueprints from Japan (or other car makers around the world). In effect copies, and most likely substandard.

It's basically slave labour that is used in Thai factories to assemble! cars from countries that can actually produce cars.

Clearly you need to improve your research more posting 

Here is what Toyota has to say on the subject

Soon we were exporting models built entirely in Thailand like the Hilux Vigo and the Fortuner. To date over 7 million IMV based vehicles have been built in Thailand with over 4 million units exported to 124 countries around the world. The IMV project also helped us create a new supply chain here in Thailand increasing our network of local suppliers by 41%, as the production of 2,000 parts were transferred from Japan to Thailand increasing total local content from 60% to 93%

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/38421226.html

Toyota Motor Thailand Co., Ltd. (TMT) is the wholly owned subsidiary of Toyota Motor Corporation in Thailand, established in 1962. In 1979, Toyota began making pressed body parts in Thailand. In 1989, TMT began manufacturing engines locally. TMT controls the manufacturing of Toyota cars in Thailand and they supply cars to various official dealers throughout Thailand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Motor_Thailand

7 hours ago, Guderian said:

 

Thanks, that's useful. When I was living in the UK I had a Vauxhall Omega and I used to just disconnect the 12V battery when I went away on holiday, that did the trick nicely. Here in Thailand, it seemed much more difficult to do that with the Fiesta so I had the GF start it up every week, and that worked OK too. I thought about the solar powered charger as the car is left outside under a car port, but there's plenty of light there. That would only keep the 12V battery going, though, I don't suppose there's an equivalent for the hybrid battery? And if there was, where would you connect it, I have no idea?

I didn't want to disconnect the battery as that invalidated my insurance due to no security alarm or immobiliser

Here is the solar panel charger that I used although it is sold as a battery charger it is actually a battery maintainer

I would plug it in to the obd 2 port which is normally just above the accelerator pedal it has a cut off function when the battery is fully charged it must be disconnected before you start the car

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00AC1LLQY/

I have also used a ctek mxs 5.0 which is a combined battery charger / maintainer / conditioner it has extension cables so you can charge without opening the bonnet main drawnback I see for using unattended for long periods is it requires mains electric

https://www.aprtech.co.th/

You will find good useful information on the toyota uk owners club and the lexus uk owners club

my understanding from reading forum posts hybrid battery should be okay if unused for 2 months so long at 12v battery is charged

On 5/27/2024 at 6:52 AM, WDSmart said:

Thanks! These look perfect for me, and some of them in the images are shown with right-hand drive. I'll check them out! 

Another Wuling coming out next month suspect it might be not small enough for you 

https://autolifethailand.tv/wuling-binguo-ev-bev-coming-soon-thailand/

1 hour ago, Guderian said:

This may have been covered already, but I did a search and didn't find anything.

 

I bought a new Toyota Corolla Cross GR Sport last October, just after I'd returned from my annual trip back to the UK. I'm very happy with the car and really enjoy driving it, but my next annual trip back is only around 10 weeks away now and I was wondering how to store the car while I'm away for about 6 weeks so that both the normal battery and the hybrid battery don't go flat. In the past, when I had a Ford Fiesta, the GF used to come down once a week and run the engine for 10 or 15 minutes while she was cleaning the place of dead leaves. When I took the car in for its last service in April I asked one of the technicians what to do and he looked very doubtful, as if nobody had ever asked him this before. He said that I needed to find someone to run the car for 20 minutes at least three times a week, and preferably to drive it. The GF can only usually get down here once a week, twice at the max, and I'm none too keen on letting a stranger drive the car while I'm away. I can't be the first person to have this problem, so what do you other folk with hybrid vehicles do when you leave Thailand for a month or two?

Here is advice from Toyota UK on Hybrid lack of use during covid

https://mag.toyota.co.uk/coronavirus-toyota-hybrid-car-maintenance/

you could look at an obd 2 solar panel trickle charger

I use one on a non hybrid Toyota and the car started 1st time after leaving  the car for 100 days without use and that was in the Uk not known for its sunny weather

35 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I wonder if we're reading the same article?  My translation only mentions Hybrids being Toyota, it doesn't say anything about parts manufacturers turning to hybrids not EV's.

It just mentions Toyota as an example there are many different brands producing hybrid's not just Toyota

with just 10% market share for EV's Parts manufacturers should provide parts for the largest share of the market which is  currently ICE 

Parts manufacturers turn to hybrid, not EV, point out 30@30 target is still far away

Office of Industrial Economics Revealing preliminary survey results with a group of internal combustion vehicle (ICE) parts manufacturers preparing to enter the electric vehicle (EV) industry. Just 10%, demand is not rising strongly, there is still time to adjust. Turning to feeding hybrids instead, the 30@30 target is still a long way off. It is expected that in the next 2 months we will see clear measures to help manufacturers of combustion car parts come out

https://www.prachachat.net/economy/news-1586172

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

MG join the hydrophobic camp. This case is very similar to the FamilyGuy case in the UK.

 

I think there is a huge difference between the case in Thailand and the familyguy case in the UK

If you remember familyguy was asked to pay for a full set of replacement batteries for a MG ZS EV 2023 and everything associated with the battery model at a Baht equivalent cost of B1,024.719

In the Thai case  the largest ticket items are the Electrical Distribution Module  B32K , Labor costs for drying and cleaning B2.5K and Change EDM box B2,5K Total cost B36K

It seems that there is a possibility that water can enter through the pressure vapour values 

There is also a pressure ventilator in the headlamps 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/359204678507982/permalink/1111055489989560/

On MG ZS EV Generation 1 2019 it has been reported that some MG owners have had to claim on their car insurance as MG stated that water ingress in battery isn't covered by warranty

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=5375673082481225&set=p.5375673082481225&type=3

35 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 BYD  Dolphin and Atto3 2023 models

Spraying rat-proof fertilizer and installing rat-proof gap cover for the front wheel. (It's a free service. You should start installing cars that were produced in year 66 first

https://www.facebook.com/groups/bydthailand/posts/820379143402202/

2 late for this owner

I'm another big battery bite rat.

The center is very helpful.

Coordinate with insurance. Insurance operates to change a big battery

https://www.facebook.com/groups/bydthailand/permalink/820990310007752

 BYD  Dolphin and Atto3 2023 models

Spraying rat-proof fertilizer and installing rat-proof gap cover for the front wheel. (It's a free service. You should start installing cars that were produced in year 66 first

https://www.facebook.com/groups/bydthailand/posts/820379143402202/

14 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The hoods popping up is nearly always the driver forgetting to close it fully.

Seems the car in question was in a service centre due to accident

https://www.facebook.com/groups/bydthailand/permalink/820050933435023