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22 minutes ago, motdaeng said:
vinny, vinny, are you desperate, bored, or both?
Why don't you ask KhunLA the same question
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10 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:
I think the OP mentioned he may be leaving in 2 or 3 years.
Depreciation is going to be his biggest enemy.
I would be looking for something that depreciates a lot in the first year and much less so over the ensuing 3 years and that's what I would be buying.
I agree it was wrong timing for op but MG offloaded the ZS last August that was the time to buy if looking for a 5 seater
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10 hours ago, KhunLA said:
Oh contraire ... when you, wife kids & trunk packed up, it would be nice to have a bit more performance, when O&A. Especially since you're paying for it. Why settle for less, especially when it cost more.
Did state I'm a MG fan, especially after owner other brands from JP. No different the Toyota fans recommending what they know or read about. Except, I've owned what I talk about, Whether recommending or stating, I wouldn't bother again.
OP asked for recommendations ... that's what I gave and reason why. Here on forum & PMs.
Hard to beat the MG VS HEV for safety & performance, along with fuel economy of a HEV ... added plus of being less expensive of everything else OP has looked at.
... Toyota Yaris Cross is ฿789,000 - ฿899,000
... Toyota Veloz is ฿795,000–875,000 THB
.... MG VS HEV ... ฿699,000 TBH
47 minutes ago, KhunLA said:I thought you were pushing safety, which case, I'll take the extra performance over luggage space. Come in handy for much safer U-turns on Thai roads. People that live & drive here will understand that importance.
You're seriously comparing MG customer service of UK with TH
The Toyota Avanza was a poor seller, and discontinued, so revamp it, and name it the Veloz, and maybe people won't notice
Even worst ... Toyota caught submitting better car for safety testing, but production of inferior products.
STOP ... YOU'RE KILLING ME ... You're better at research that this. Try to keep up. 😎
In your recent post you stated "Except, I've owned what I talk about, Whether recommending or stating, I wouldn't bother again." I must admit I missed all the posts where you have raved about MG VS HEV ownership
for most families safety is there 1st priority when choosing a motor vehicle although this doesn't always seem to the case in Thailand where I have seen adults riding motorcycles with helmets and no head protection for the children riding with them
Luggage space is also important if you going away for long weekend to beach children toys, push chairs
As for MG customer service Its made the news this year when a man held a demonstration at the Motor show last march after his car came to a sudden halt while driving with his child
I read that MG identfied the problem of the EP going into safe mode while using the air con in May 2023
https://ev.iphonemod.net/mg-air-conditioning-system-problems-on-new-mg-ep-clarified/
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1 hour ago, KhunLA said:
Oh contraire ... when you, wife kids & trunk packed up, it would be nice to have a bit more performance, when O&A. Especially since you're paying for it. Why settle for less, especially when it cost more.
Did state I'm a MG fan, especially after owner other brands from JP. No different the Toyota fans recommending what they know or read about. Except, I've owned what I talk about, Whether recommending or stating, I wouldn't bother again.
OP asked for recommendations ... that's what I gave and reason why. Here on forum & PMs.
Safety & performance, along with fuel economy of a HEV ... added plus of being less expensive of everything else OP has looked at.
... Toyota Yaris Cross is ฿789,000 - ฿899,000
... Toyota Veloz is ฿795,000–875,000 THB
.... MG VS HEV ... ฿699,000 TBH
the Veloz is a 7 seater where the MG VS HEV is 5 seats only
when it comes to luggage space
he Toyota Veloz has a generous amount of luggage space, with 498 liters of boot space when the third row of seats is folded down. Even with all seats occupied, the boot can still fit two cabin bags. The Veloz also has roof rails that can support up to 75 kg of cargo.
The Veloz is a crossover vehicle that combines features of both SUVs and MPVs. It has a roomy cabin that can comfortably seat up to seven passengers across three rows. The middle row's captain's chairs are designed to be more comfortable and make it easier to access the third row.
MG VS HEV
Rear luggage space 383 – 1,372 litres (when rear seats are folded)
Unlikely that the op would ever be using with rear seats folded as there would be no space for children to sit
and price range for MG VS HEV is from B699K-B759K
so luggage space on Veloz is 115 litres more than MG VS HEV
https://autolifethailand.tv/discount-price-mg-vs-hev-may-2024/
While pricing is important when buying an car buyers need to check how well do dealerships handle issues when the arise availablity of parts and the overall ownership of your purchase
Here is a survey of UK dealerships on various brands sold in the UK
MG voted worst car manufacturer to represent in Car Dealer Power 2024 survey
Car Dealer Power 2024 poll serves up woeful scores for MG Motor UK
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15 minutes ago, KhunLA said:
Not really ... and I recommended these, ICEV & Hybrid, since expressing interest in them. Same or cheaper than anything JP has made & badged here in TH. Along with outperforms.
Yea, I'm an SAIC / MG fan, having owned 'made in TH' Toyota & Mazda, and wouldn't even consider again, along with other badged JP autos.
And the op is looking for a family car for him his wife and 2 small children I am sure most families when looking for a family car very low down on their list of requirements are maximum horse power and maximum torque
In Fact I don't know of anyone that has purchased a family car where their prime requirement is performance
they tend to look at more the safety aspects types seat belts and fixtures air bags and other safety features
In Thailand it is still possible to buy a new car where airbags are for driver and front passenger while other brands in Thailand offer 6 or 7 airbags for all passengers not just driver and front passenger
And your basing your recommendations on your requirements not the op's I think the whole forum would be shocked if MG man recommended a brand that didn't include MG in the recommendations
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27 minutes ago, Yodarapper said:
Is the veloz then an ok option even if a new one is coming out sometime soon?
To answer your question you should really pm existing Veloz forum members such @srowndedbyh2o @mudcat @triplez @luckyscruff
Othewise the EV fanboys on this forum will steer you in the direction of an EV regardless if it is the right choice for you and your family or not
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54 minutes ago, KhunLA said:
And how many make it to classic car level, kept for long term, till value exceeds original purchase price.
Yes, I wish I still had my ...
... 1950 Buick Special (bought in 1975), already a classic
... 1960's VW hippie van
... 1980 Firebird
... 1980's Maxima
... 1976 ? Ford F-150
... even my 1963s Chevys Impalas or 1969 Nova
... 19?? Buick Special glass roofed wagon.
... 196? Ford Fairlane
... 1976 Monto Carlo
... along with my 1975 Honda 750cc & 1981 900cc
Surely my brothers wished they had there 1st VW Bugs, MGBs, TR7. 1969/70 Malibu & Cuda, not to mention his worked '55' Chevys.
I guess in 20 yrs, our ZS will be a classic ...
Although, so many will still be around, it will simply be a classic, outdated, under performing,
POS. Valuable only repurposed to the solar system
Junk yards are full of should have, would have, could have been, classic cars, stripped & scrapped.
In 1985 there was some people did took a punt at buying the Sinclair C5 at a discounted rate of £140 today those unboxed never use C5 are selling for £5,000 3600% increase of the original purchase price
https://www.footmanjames.co.uk/blog/sinclair-c5-electric-car-the-future-too-soon
Your MG ZS EV maybe a classic car in 25 years time
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3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:
It's only EOL if the manufacturer actually goes out of business. Can't see SAIC doing that in our lifetime. Or myself, or even wife, outlasting the life of our MG ZS EV. If so, then value of any <1M baht vehicle isn't worth much after 10-15-20 yrs, although motor & battery pack should have an after market value, and or, battery added to one's solar system.
ICEV after 10-15-20 yrs is basically scrap metal. Especially if mandates are put in, for new car sales to be EVs. Surely after market businesses will be available for older EVs in the future, and nothing goes to waste in most countries, especially TH.
You do spout some rubbish EOL is when a manufacture chooses to no longer build example MG ZS 2019 went eol when MG started building MG ZS 2022
Tell the million of classic car owners that their ICEV vehicles are basically scrap metal your living on a different world if anything the older ICEV vehicles are more expensive than when they were sold originally
Look at Shelby Cobra 427 as a good example
The price of a Shelby Cobra 427 can vary widely depending on the model year, condition, mileage, options, and history:
1965 Shelby Cobra 427
In 1965, a new Shelby Cobra cost around $6,000. In 2023, a 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 sold for $660,000 at Mecum - Indy.
1966 Shelby Cobra 427
A 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 in good condition with average specs typically sells for around $1,300,000. In 2023, a 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 sold for $1,430,000 at Mecum - Kissimmee.
1966 Shelby Cobra 427 Super Snake
One of only two ever made, this model is highly sought-after by collectors and can sell for millions of dollars.
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3 minutes ago, CallumWK said:
Since you bring up the EOL impact on resale, I have another question, which you may be able to answer.
In those EV threads, I always notice the fanboys bragging about the lifetime warranty on their batteries, which the manufacturers have increased from several year to lifetime.
I know for a fact that lifetime warranty on other things, like for example PC RAM, ends when the manufacturer discontinues that particular model.
Do you think same logic applies to EV batteries, because with the quick changes of EV models, lifetime could actually have a very short span?
I do believe the same applies for lifetime waranty on EV batteries i have seen reports where the warranty reverts to the standard warranty of 8 years
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On 11/10/2024 at 7:27 PM, Yodarapper said:
So do you recommend the MG VS and that model at 700K? Good car?
Yes, taking our time, also waiting to save for the downpayment 🙂
Was waiting for the new hybrid Veloz but looks like it's not coming until later in the year.....Yes, the Mg is attractive because of price 🙂
You have to understand the MG ZS is cheap for a reason its End of Life it is being replaced by a new model which will be launched at Motor show at the end of this month or at Motor show in March
there nothing wrong with buying an EOL car just so long as you understand its EOL and EOL does have an impact on future resale values
The pricing of the new model seems to be extremely competitive in China have to wait and see if similar pricing will be the same for Thailand
https://carnewschina.com/2024/11/06/mg-es5-electric-suv-enters-china-for-13950-usd-with-subsidies/
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2 hours ago, motdaeng said:
i thought this topic was about electric vehicles in thailand, not pages of discussion about which statistics are right or wrong. it's starting to get boring and tiring to follow this topic, and i don't see any real value in these arguments over statistics ...
suggestion to the members in question: take a break for a month or start your own new topic!
Maybe the member that posted numbers that can't be vertified by the stats from the offical data collector
DLT registrations should consider checking with their sources before posting
as the official source for all vehicle registrations is the DLT website
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16 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:
In a discussion with the typical troll we meet here, I would consider a published source would be seen as more credible than:
"here is a spreadsheet that I just cobbled together"
Here is a snapshot of a spreadsheet from the DLT
Its easy to find
Number of newly registered vehicles classified by fuel type (monthly)
Select relevant month
https://web.dlt.go.th/statistics/
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On 11/9/2024 at 8:49 AM, JBChiangRai said:
Autolife are journalists, they have something in common with politicians (they don't let facts get in their way). IMHO the only official source is DLT registrations.
6 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:I don’t care whether use Autolife or DLT, but we should stick to only one and not bicker over the numbers.
I can’t speak for other members, but what interests me is trends.
How EV uptake compares to previous months and years, not in number of vehicles sold (which I find meaningless because the auto industry is on it’s knees) but as a percentage of total sales in the same category.
A forum member did contact Autolife a few months ago requesting information on what method they were using to get their numbers but didn't receive an answer to the question
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10 minutes ago, Pib said:
To get that extra 174 to reach 4,954 is not a big number at all. Heck in my post a few hours ago (partial quote below I found 123 of the 174 by briefly sorting thru the DLT spreadsheet I mentioned earlier. I just quickly looked at some of the most well known BEV brands like Aion, Deepal, BYD, and MG. I stopped looking at that point....I'm sure if I had kept looking at some more brands I would have found all 174.....those 174 that DLT had listed other than RY1 but Autolife tossed them into RY1 chart.
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Here is a snapshot of every vehicle category that has an electric vehicle and the total is 4,950
R.Y.3 total number 40
R.Y.6 total number 101
R.Y.22 22- wheel trailer truck total number 9
R,Y,19 Bus
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25 minutes ago, Pib said:
Yea...if you want to be super, super accurate to ensure any double counting is compensated for to several decimal points and the BEV percentage is reported by multiple categories. But if willing to allow a small inaccuracy by allowing some 4 wheel BEVs carrying 7 passengers or less to be counted as RY1 as the Autolife chart does probably for ease of reading and avoid having an overly complicated chart which shows how many 7 passenger or less BEV vehicles are being registered then in my opinion the Autolife chart is fine. Totally accurate--No; but acceptable accuracy in order to provide an easy to read/understandable chart for the layman.
Now assuming BEV numbers continue to increase at some point that double counting talked above will create too big of an inaccuracy even for the layman, but I expect Autolife will switch to reporting such stats in a different way....and probably stop reporting any type of detailed BEV stats like how they report on the various models. Time will tell.
If you referring to pickup trucks they are already in RY1 as shown here
Type 1: Private passenger cars with no more than 7 seats (R.Y.1) are cars that must be no wider than 2.50 meters and no longer than 12 meters, such as single-cab sedans, double-cab sedans, double-cab vans with two seats and a cargo area at the back, etc.
Type 2: Private passenger cars with more than 7 seats (R.Y.2) are cars that must be no wider than 2.50 meters, no longer than 12 meters, and the length of the body measured from the center of the rear axle to the rear of the car must not exceed 2/3 of the length measured from the center of the front axle to the center of the rear axle, such as a three-section sedan with two rows of seats, a two-section two-row van with three rows of seats, etc.
Type 3: Personal trucks (R.Y.3) are vehicles that are not used for personal transport in accordance with the law on land transport. They must be no wider than 2.50 meters, no longer than 12 meters, and the length of the body measured from the center of the rear axle to the rear of the vehicle must not be more than 3/5 of the length measured from the center of the front axle to the center of the rear axle, such as a pickup bed, a cargo van, a pickup bed with a roof, etc.
So Type 3 is not to be used for personal transport
https://cityleasing.co.th/content21052021/#:~:text
Its impossible to get to 4,954 even if you include every single DLT vehicle categories including buses just excluding motorcycles RY12
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22 minutes ago, Pib said:
No....you are considering too many of the categories. Like where you said for October the DLT stats showed 4,780 BEVs sold in RY1; but the Autoife article/chart showed 4.954 for a difference of 174.
That 174 is just a small percentage (like 0.5%) of the total DLT RY1 numbers of 34,865 which represents EV/ICEV/Hybrid/etc., registrations. The way Autolife is treating the numbers that 174 (which is actually other categories) get counted a second time but this time as RY1 BEVs.
So if we limit the vehicle categories to
RY1,RY2.RY3,RY4,RY6,RY8,RY9,RY10,RY13 Total number of vehicles registered in October was 49,223 which included 4,934 electric vehicles giving a market share of 10.025%
Bottom line to get accurate picture of market share if vehicles are included outside of RY1 then all the vehicles in those vehicles categories should be included
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1 minute ago, Pib said:
Include too many details in the article/chart would just turn-off a lot of folks...their eyes would just glaze over....they would stop reading such AutoLife articles which Autolife definitely don't want.
And I'm a one thousand percent sure the great, great, great, great, great majority of folks don't look at DLT stats since they are more for the spreadsheet-comfortable type people.
Yes, by throwing-in some BEV registrations dealing from some categories which also deal with vehicles that carry 7 or less passengers just like the R.Y.1 category, it does create an inaccuracy which is small at this time....make it appear R.Y.1 BEV sales are a little higher.
If a person is more interested in how 4-wheel BEV registrations/sales that carry 7 or less passengers "regardless of whether its coded as DLT category RY1, RY3, RY6, RY10, etc., then the AutoLife article/chart gives a good vision of such.
Its not small as you state as the RY1 figures for October were 34,865 the combined figures for all vehicles categories excluding motorcycles groups RY12 and RY17 gives total registrations of 49,389 which is a huge 14,524
If we took the total number of registered in October of 210,009 and then remove RY12 and RY17 Motorcycles this would leave a figure of 49,389 would give electric vehicles excluding motorbikes a market share of 10.03% this calculation method shouldn't be used as it includes DLT vehicle categories where there are no electric vehicles listed
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12 minutes ago, Pib said:
From review of one of the DLT stat spreadsheets where a person can sort/display by month, brand, fuel type, etc., it indicates that Autolife probably also counts BEV/100% electric vehicles from some other vehicles categories other than R.Y.1 which contains the great bulk of BEV registrations.
It appears Autolife also counts BEV/100% electric vehicles R.Y.3 Personal Truck, R.Y.6 Passenger Vehicle for Hire Not Carrying More Than 7 People, R.Y.10 Sight Seeing Vehicles, etc., However, Autolife does "not" mention their monthly article/chart can also include these other categories if the BEV vehicle is being used to transport no more than 7 passengers and basically a company is using the BEV just like a private person would use their BEV to transport their family/friends as passengers.
For example below (but not limited to) some BEVs "not" listed as R.Y.1 by DLT but as another vehicle category. I bet Autolife counted them as R.Y.1. Autolife probably don't want to confuse readers by stating what categories of BEV/100% electric vehicles were actually listed in by DLT which can be around 20 different categories a vehicle can be coded as. Instead their article/chart just mentions R.Y.1 where the great, great, great majority of current BEV/100% electric vehicles end-up being coded in.
- 16 BYD BEVs listed by DLT in category R.Y.3
- 1 Aion BEV listed by DLT in category R.Y.6
- 3 Changan Deepal BEV listed by DLT in R.Y.3
- 100 MG BEV listed by DLT in category R.Y.6 (registered in Bangkok and Phuket provinces most likely by rental/tourist companies) and 3 more MG BEV in category R.Y.10
In closing, assuming Autolife is also counting some non-R.Y.1 BEVs which carry 7 or less passengers for business purposes (like sight seeing, rental) and if we really want to know how many BEV/100 electric cars/trucks using 4 wheels and carrying 7 passengers or less, then the Autolife stats/chart is really more accurate in my opinion in how well BEVs are selling. Autolife's BEV R.Y.1 numbers will always be a little higher than DLT BEV R.Y.1 numbers since Autolife is really counting some BEVs from some other categories also.
So the bottom line is Autolife Market share figures are meaningless
DLT stats state numbers of electric cars 4,780 where Autolife stated 4,954 a difference of 174
I don't have a problem if they want to add in electric cars from other vehicles groups but once they should also include the total sales for each of those vehicle groups you can't base market share based on total number of cars sold in RY1 of 34,865 if you are including electric vehicles from other vehicle categories
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Just now, motdaeng said:
good morning vinny41
i think most of us wouldn't see this small inconsistencies in the percentage as a problem ...
it might be worth trying (at least for once) to just leave a number as it is and let it be ... thank you.
wish you and eveyone a nice weekend
for a number of months now members have been unable to work out how autolife reached their numbers
Here is a screensot that shows for electric vehicles it is impossible to get to 4,954 even if you include all 17 DLT vehicle types and then exclude RY 12 motorcycles
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6 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:
Thanks @motdaeng I haven't seen registration figures from autolifethailand for a few months, so great to get an update.
14.2% of vehicle registrations being fully electric dismisses the claim that we often hear that EV sales are collapsing
The problem is that these figures are incorrect according to DLT website for RY.1 the total number of vehicles registrations for October is correct at 34,865 but the number of electric registrations is 4,780 which represents
13.711% market share
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It has become a hot drama in the online world when the Facebook page EV Gadget Review Car posted a promotional price for an electric car from the "CHANGAN" brand, an electric car brand from China, announcing a price reduction of the popular electric car model, the DEEPAL S07, by almost 300,000 baht, from the price of 1.399 million baht to only 1.119 million baht, creating dissatisfaction among customers who had just bought the car before.
Last April, Mr. Songwit Thitipunya, President of Eternity At One Co., Ltd., the distributor of Changan electric cars, announced that the price of the DEEPAL S07 would definitely not be reduced because they did not want to destroy the ecosystem by reducing the price, which might make customers who had previously bought an electric car feel bad.
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1 hour ago, HighPriority said:
I asked because imho you do yourself a disservice by appearing to ignore negative ice news and focusing only on bad ev press.
If ev get appropriate bad press, so be it.
As for the articles above concerning OTA updates etc, it’s one thing if a company goes broke and doesnt provide “ongoing improvements” to a vehicles operating system, after all we have lived our entire lives in this manner.
But proprietary systems that render a vehicle unusable in the case of corporate collapse is totally wrong and if the industry is unable to get itself organised then governments need to step in and protect consumers.
If the article had just been about poor sales I wouldn't have posted but when a company
delayed salaries to their staff twice in the same year that indicates a more serious problem than just poor sales
I do agree with you regarding the proprietary systems that render a vehicle unusable in the Fisker case they were handled by the Bankruptcy Court
Fisker Bankruptcy Plan Approved: Warranty Repairs & OTA Updates Continue Operation of Vehicles
I must admit I find it werid that the Fisker software could not be ported over to another server
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8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:
That is likely to be an issue. If using a smartphone is mandatory, ie communicating with the manufacturers server, then that part of the functionality is likely to fail.
BUT, this is not an EV issue, it applies equally to modern ICE vehicles too. My friend wouldn't be able to do the same things on his ICE Mercedes too.
Ota updates apply to both EV and Ice vehicles although the issue when OTA updates are no longer available affects EV's more than ICE vehicles
OTA updates can be divided into 2 different types of update
SOTA updates
FOTA updates ( Firmware over-the-air (FOTA) updates )
Over-the-air updates: How does each EV automaker compare?
https://electrek.co/2022/06/07/over-the-air-updates-how-does-each-ev-automaker-compare/
Fisker Ocean EVs Avoid Becoming Bricks With $2.5M Software Deal
A company that acquired Fisker's inventory found that it could not port over the software from Fisker's servers. It solved that with another $2.5 million payout.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/fisker-ocean-evs-avoid-becoming-bricks-with-25m-software-deal
Software-defined vehicles (SDVs) are a key part of the automotive industry's transformation, and Chinese manufacturers are at the forefront of this change:
Adoption
Chinese manufacturers have adopted SDV architecture for new electric vehicles (EVs).
Digital features
Some limitations of SDVs include:
Software complexity
Software development costs
Dependence on software updates
Unauthorized access
Data breaches
Potential control of the vehicle
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When EV startups shut down, will their cars still work?
As Chinese EV makers close, drivers of “smartphones on wheels” say software updates and maintenance are in jeopardy.
Richard Qian didn’t know what to expect when he heard that WM Motor, a Shanghai-based EV maker popular for its low prices, filed for bankruptcy in October 2023. He tried to drive his compact EX5 SUV as he normally would, but discovered that he could no longer log into WM Motor’s smartphone app, which remotely controlled the car lock and air conditioner. He also couldn’t see his car’s mileage and charging status on the dashboard.
In June, after U.S. carmaker Fisker went bankrupt, drivers found themselves unable to lock their EVs or turn on air conditioning, making the cars unbearable to drive in the summer.
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Car recommendations
in Thailand Motor Discussion
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You should try and steer your daughter away from MG5 to something else
The MG 5 sedan has been awarded a zero-star ANCAP safety rating against the latest 2023-2025 testing protocols.
The small sedan is one of two vehicles to receive a zero-star ANCAP safety rating under these latest testing protocols. The other vehicle is the Mahindra Scorpio body-on-frame SUV.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/mg-5-receives-zero-star-ancap-safety-rating