madmen

Airline pilots are no different to any other profession. Its part of the job to know every scenario and becomes second nature after a decade or decades of training and with the level of automation a pilots job has never been easier

Now let's talk about the pilots flying the first " jumbo" jets or the 727 when pilot's were gods and infinitely more complicated than a 777 That I can fire up in simulator from cold and dark quickly and then spend the next 9 hours bored to death

pretty sure they launched  monkeys into space lol so anything is possible :-))))

let's not forget in many countries including the USA you can get a pilots licence before being eligible for a driving license and there is good reason for that, flying is not this incredibly complicated thing that requires a huge brain

4 minutes ago, jackdd said:

This is about TM28, not about TM30.

TM28 has not been enforced anyway, so no change.

Phuket office just enforced t28 via announcement on TV few days back .?

55 minutes ago, ncc1701d said:

I like a lot of your posts on other topics, but I feel you are getting a lot of information from wrong sources here. Sorry for my lengthy post.

 

“so all the pilot has to do is rotate and follow the cross hairs”. While true, it’s not as straight forward as that.

Even after the TOGA switches are pushed, the aircraft can not take into consideration the conditions. Wind, rain, snow, rwy contamination, other aircraft. Engine failures on the ground or in the air. Windshear. Or any number of other things that are not necessarily emergencies - but if not dealt with correctly could certainly turn into one. So while you may have seen a video of a normal take off being performed and it looks so easy, there is a significant amount of things going through the pilots minds. Actions before V1, actions after V1. Under what conditions will I abort or continue. Under each scenario - what will my actions be if I have to evacuate - where will I evacuate? Will it be on the rwy or will I try and taxi off so the rwy is still usable? If it’s a high speed abort - what about the brakes catching on fire and the wheels plugs melting? what if there’s a tyre blow out versus a fire warning? Have I mentioned that we haven’t even gone through 80 kts yet? 

 

Once the autopilot is engaged, you still have to control the computer. It doesn’t just do everything. Negotiating with atc about climbing / descending, avoiding other aircraft or poor weather. If something goes wrong are you at a safe altitude for speed control with an engine failure or will have to descend? What are the closest airfields and are they suitable to make an emergency landing at? Is your destination weather ok? If it’s not what are your options? Do you have enough fuel to do what you want to do? If not, what are your new options? Continual fuel checks to make sure the aircraft isn’t leaking fuel. Coordinating with other aircraft about turbulence reports, diverting to avoid volcanic eruptions (a lot more frequent than you might think). If you depressurise - are you too heavy to clear the mountains / high terrain? Do you know where the high terrain is? Will you need to dump fuel in order to clear terrain it if an engine fails? Can you make it back on one engine or can you continue to a more suitable airfield? If you get a cargo fire that you can’t contain - are you going to ditch? Sick pax - can you divert to save their lives? China just decides to close their airspace as you are approaching their fir - what are you going to do? Where will you go? Being constantly up to date on ever changing procedures and rules. And now add to the mix fighting with management over ever decreasing conditions and the public perception that a monkey can do it. I’ve only listed some things off the top of my head. So I’d like to meet the strategically shaved monkey that can do any of that and as it stands there is no commercial airliner that can automatically do any of that.

 

The real pilot value is being continually so on top of things that the emergencies don’t surprise the pilots leading to a hull loss or loss of life. Sully didn’t just fluke that - he had run through that exact scenario at the airport and that runway and planned for it by himself. Years of training and preparation. And pilots - the good ones, will run those types of scenarios for every runway and every airport they go in and out of so that the worst thing a pax has to worry about is how long it will take you to get through immigration.  

I was being simplistic since its not an aviation forum .Of course you're correct but that's to much detail.SIDS and stars and approach plates take care of terrain and fuel is already calculated along with the route taken and alternates by dispatch, pilot  of course knows the exact procedure during engine out after vr and in jets its nearly always a circuit and back to the runway. cross checking fuel/position reports and keeping on top of weather is not difficult

Modern jets have mostly few seriuse emergency so its a pretty boring job. Your comprehensive checks probably apply even more so to GA . But yes I agree with everything you said and like I said a modern jet pilot true worth is  response when an issue does occur and can't train a monkey for that

All sully had to do was nail best glide speed ,its all that he could do but he had a huge landing area 

The last big headline screaming great news for foreigners was by big joke and turned out to be the total opposite

1 hour ago, poohy said:

Ok i will bite 

Why is it stupid ? Camrys are expensive cars, hes a 20 year old student

So its borrowed or Nicked i doubt hes bought with his pocket money has he???

Weird comment. Everyone I knew in high school were driving a car bought by parents or second family car

Believe it or not all Thais are poor farmers

7 minutes ago, ncc1701d said:

I’m amazed at some of the ridiculous statements made by people here that have no idea what they are talking about.

 

1). There is currently not a single commercial aircraft that can even taxi to the Rwy threshold let alone take off by itself. 

 

2) for an aircraft to “land by itself” requires not only the aircraft to have the capability (not all do and those that do often have faults not allowing them to. A small fault in one system which may seem unrelated to auto land may affect its ability to do so), but the correct ground equipment must also be able to link with the systems on the aircraft to do it. All major airports normally have this ability - but even hkg airport is limited to a reduced autoland capability. Then of course - no aircraft and no airport has the ability to taxi the aircraft to the bay. 

 

3) saying that “it’s just a computer” that controls the aircraft or the autopilot shows an incredible lack of knowledge in commercial pilot operations. It would be like saying by turning on your home computer it will magically do all your tax returns. 

 

4) for the guy talking about the 1989 pilot dispute in Australia - it cost at least two airlines (TAA and Ansett), tens of thousands of jobs, extreme distress amongst not just pilots but all staff not to mention billions in the economy. To this day the effects of bob hawke and his determination and illegal activity (to get airforce pilots to crew passenger flightsto screw the unions) - is still being felt. I know you won’t, but you can read all about it here: http://www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/aviation/pd89_document.htm

 

as for “no troubles replacing them” you must be joking. There is a world wide pilot shortage - especially in Australia where pilots can get better pay and conditions working for China southern, JAL or even emirates and Qatar. 

 

5) as can be seen in many posts here, the respect once given to pilots has slowly been eroded by a lack of knowledge that “these things fly themselves” which is odd considering autopilots have been around in one form or another since 1912. Computers (flight management systems) have replaced two crew members - a navigator and a flight engineer.  But the role of the pilot has remained unchanged. It’s just the information is being presented in a different format.

 

 

Unless you’re French, getting to the point of going on strike is not made lightly. No one wants to damage the revenue of the company they work for. Please read: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/09/strike-british-airways-pilots-pay-pension-cuts-airline

Once the TOGA button is clicked computers take over the throttle so all the pilot has to do is rotate and follow the cross hairs. Depending on company policy he may be required to hit the AP ASAP and disengage on finals so yeah a monkey could do it up to that point except landing can be tricky but the real pilot value comes in when things go wrong.  Many great stories, Think Captain sully pulling off a perfect crash landing in the hudson

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The end is near for smoker's

13 hours ago, BritManToo said:

You'd be surprised how many Thai men carry a gun in their man bag.

About 50% of the Thai guys I've met.

Thai guys let you play with their handbag's? 

Did you just come out ON TV ?

5 minutes ago, eng911 said:

Who wants to spend retirement constantly worried about your next check-in or how much money has been in your Thai bank for the last so many months? 

Honestly if you have to worry about a measly 800k after a lifetime of work then you are doing the right thing staying in Canadas social security network as for sure you are going to need it

1 hour ago, stephen savell said:

f you want people to come  and spend and live there ? Answer is simple you leave them to their own devices . Either they  (Thais ) want a good economy and things going well ............or they dont !!!

You must be joking. Most pensions barely make 50% of the 65k minimum. The days of big bwana ruling the natives has long gone in fact in Bangkok it has reversed. Nobody wants them when 30 million are coming in!

22 minutes ago, metempsychotic said:

i dont see it as a loss of face. 

and, as he made no actual promises there is nothing to turn back from....

 

and as he is so very tight lipped, there is no indication any changes made will be an improvement

 

All he had to do was say nothing. Now he has given the anti tm30 sentiment a fresh set of legs and from the chief no less!

no turning back now

10 minutes ago, dcnx said:

Everyone who moved and will move made the right choice. You can’t build a life on top of quicksand. Living the rest of your days in uncertainty of existing or new visa changes or interpretations that could send you packing is something no one should have to tolerate. 
 

Even if TM30 is scrapped tomorrow, it’s only a matter of time until something else ignorant is put in its place or a new coup takes place that installs a new government who might bring it right back or change the rules once again. They can’t help themselves.

Only an idiot would leave their country of choice based on what may happen in the future ,seriously that  is idiotic in the extreme.

8 minutes ago, Hackney35 said:

I hope this pain trade starts reversing soon or it’ll be cheaper for me to move back to ldn ????

it took years to get where it is and will take many to reverse if ever

49 minutes ago, metempsychotic said:

i dont see anything in this post that indicates positive change.

this merely pays lip service to the fact that the enforcement of a 40 year old law has received some outside attention.

You have any idea the monumental amount of face loss for the chief to make that statement? no turning back from here

Couldn't be happier heading to oz for a year paid in THB rent money. 5 litre fruit juice free cask wine a whopping 250 baht ! aged cheddar 1kg block the same ..unfortunately a lap dance no touchy 1k

49 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

My question here to those posters who are finding fault with the Ops observations: It it ok to specifically target and charge a Westerners for this *but not Thais?

Soi 4 is mainly lady boys, trying to fine one of them is a guaranteed heel to the back of the head

2 hours ago, Vacuum said:

Yes, they really like to walk, but only if there's food to buy on the sidewalks.

food carts are still plentiful outside of 7/11s and the entrances of large buildings for lunch. They were not the problem

7 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

I have stopped going to Bangkok now

seriously who cares? You were just a tourist hitting Bangkok for a few days. The footpaths were cleared for the Thais and Prayuth and the army did a great job !!