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31 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Not according to my lawyer. He tells me that the basis of Thai law is French with, as he says, 'bits from all over the place'.

Correct, I should have listed French in my original post, my apologies for that error.

18 hours ago, scorecard said:

QUOTE FROM ABOVE:

 

"...You also have to consider that the majority of hi-so Thais were educated in the United States or Europe. Many of whom were teased by Americans and rejected by Western women ( often called FOB aka Fresh Off the Boat ). These folks come back to Thailand with a huge chip on their shoulders towards Westerners. Do you blame them though? Americans are brutal to overseas Asians students. And the Europeans are even worse than the Americans."

 

I don't buy your comments.

 

Locals are at times brutal to other locals and foreigners in any country. Reality of life.

 

Before Thailand I lived in Sydney and Melbourne in Australia and had daily contact with students from: Thailand, Indonesia, China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea and more.

 

Most of the time, most of the students (M and F) were quite contented and had good productive relationships / friendships with Australian students, the Australian community etc.

 

In my 30+ years of work in Thailand I worked with several hundred Thais in big organizational projects, 90+% spoke excellent/perfect English, and were educated abroad, professional, pleasant and productive, no hesitation to work together with the foreigners on my staff. 

 

Yes we had 1 or 2 incidents over many years, half of which was reaction to western arrogance and superiority. 

Quote from OP:

"...The Thai government is not doing anything different that United States which is where Thailand gets the majority of its legal protocol. They always copy whatever the US does, as do most countries."

Fake news, Thai law is based on British and German Law and some of the Thai Labour law is strongly influenced by Australian Labour law.

The whole world wants to copy most things from the US? What rubbish. 

9 hours ago, victorpeeke said:

And why only quarantine in Bangkok? If they only  allow up to 1,000 a day of those stranded to return, and there are several thousand more than that by all accounts, why not permit quarantining in Phuket also where I'm sure quite a few of us reside? Phuket airport is open. And, uh, Phuket is an island so much better control. It would also allow Phuket to 'kickstart' their hotels with their new safety rules and regulations in preparation for the massive influx of tourists that will 'flock' here this coming high season. 

I'm sure a list of 'normal' hotels etc., has been announced weeks ago in Pattaya, with comments about passengers have to decide whether to go from Suvanabhumi to Bkk or to Pattaya.  

8 minutes ago, Marcus Atwood said:

The Thai government is not doing anything different that United States which is where Thailand gets the majority of its legal protocol. They always copy whatever the US does, as do most countries.

 

Currently in the US:

 

"The CDC advisories have more substantial restrictions for foreign nationals trying to enter the United States. As of May 15, 2020, foreign nationals are banned from entering if they have been in these countries within the last 14 days:

- China

- Iran

- Most European countries

- The United Kingdom and Ireland"

 

You also have to do a 14 day quarantine in the US, just like Thailand.

 

100% of the Thai people I know are praying for Western and Chinese tourists to return. Although, I'm not sure I want them to return. Being the only customer at most establishments now, prices have been slashed by 50% and I'm treated like royalty. It's great. I have all the beaches to myself as well. No trash, no cheap tourists. Spotted killer whales ( orcas ) this morning swimming close to shore and sea turtles on the beach!!! In all the years I've been living in Phuket, I've never seen orcas or sea turtles.

 

However, this situation it is not great for local Thais. I've seen many homeless Thais moving into the jungles and living in tents. Banana Beach is now littered with homeless Thais. Great place to live though for free!!! People would pay millions to live where the homeless have set up camp.

 

Most Thais I've spoken with are extremely angry with their government for this entire lockdown ( particularly those that are high IQ and that have a business ) and want the borders opened up asap to foreigners. It really depends on who you ask though. If you ask locals in Phuket, they want everything to return to normal pronto.

 

But of course, hi-so Thais ( most of whom are of Chinese descent ) stand to profit from an extended lockdown. They would love nothing more than to see Phuket collapse so that they can go in there and buy up premium land at an extreme discount ( similar to what Taksin did post-tsunami ). Personally, I have also been eyeing real-estate and there are some real bargains starting to develop beach-front. But i'm holding off because I think we are just at the beginning of a massive economic collapse. The US stock market PEG ratio is way out of whack ( we are at 2000 Dot Com Bubble PE ratios ) so I'm expecting another stock market crash. If the US stock market crashes again, the global economy will tank hard and prices in Thailand will get dialed back to 2004.

You also have to consider that the majority of hi-so Thais were educated in the United States or Europe. Many of whom were teased by Americans and rejected by Western women ( often called FOB aka Fresh Off the Boat ). These folks come back to Thailand with a huge chip on their shoulders towards Westerners. Do you blame them though? Americans are brutal to overseas Asians students. And the Europeans are even worse than the Americans. I was educated in the United Kingdom and let me tell you, the British are a mean-spirited people that treat both Asians and Americans horribly. I went to King Henry VIII middle school in Warwickshire and let me tell you, I was bullied everyday by students and had my head dunked in the toilet regularly, just because I was American. And mind you, I have blonde hair, blue eyes and was a model in Los Angeles in my 20s. Can you imagine how hard it is for people that don't look like me?

 

Don't blame the Thais for becoming more and more xenophobic. Maybe treat them with more respect when they're in your home country and the favor will likely be returned.

 

 

 

QUOTE FROM ABOVE:

"...You also have to consider that the majority of hi-so Thais were educated in the United States or Europe. Many of whom were teased by Americans and rejected by Western women ( often called FOB aka Fresh Off the Boat ). These folks come back to Thailand with a huge chip on their shoulders towards Westerners. Do you blame them though? Americans are brutal to overseas Asians students. And the Europeans are even worse than the Americans."

I don't buy your comments.

Locals are at times brutal to other locals and foreigners in any country. Reality of life.

Before Thailand I lived in Sydney and Melbourne in Australia and had daily contact with students from: Thailand, Indonesia, China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea and more.

Most of the time, most of the students (M and F) were quite contented and had good productive relationships / friendships with Australian students, the Australian community etc.

In my 30+ years of work in Thailand I worked with several hundred Thais in big organizational projects, 90+% spoke excellent/perfect English, and were educated abroad, professional, pleasant and productive, no hesitation to work together with the foreigners on my staff. 

Yes we had 1 or 2 incidents over many years, half of which was reaction to western arrogance and superiority. 

So what country a person come from is the main criteria, never mind looking at the individual person and their details. 

Love to see another country spring such <deleted> on this ignorant lunch without distancing fool. 

8 hours ago, essox essox said:

and why should beach goers clean up a mess caused by something that they, or anyone cant control??

I would NOT clean any **it of a beach....it is up to local councils to clean.....

Redundant.

7 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

And yet another Thaskin idea and program to be stolen and used by this government. Every single idea was stolen from Thaskin.

Fake news...

43 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Yes indeedely indeed! But apparently Mary never had that pleasure. But then again none of these gals here even come close to being a virgin.

Hurrah for friction...

1 hour ago, holy cow cm said:

Absolutely and in a divine way!

Praise flesh contact...

6 hours ago, JimmyCrow said:

In contrast to most of the posts on here I went from a position of unbelief to faith. In 28 years there has never been a moment when I have doubted the existence of God. I have had numerous experiences of God and know beyond a shadow of doubt that he is there. I think the defining criteria for knowing whether or not he is there is how badly do you want to know. Revelation of God is priceless. Why would you give that to someone who fundamentally is not interested ? Its only given to people who really want it. God is very real. The only person stopping you from knowing that is you. There are numerous of cases of healings, miracles, etc,. I once knew a woman who was paralysed, could not walk, received prayer and got up out of her wheelchair at a Christian meeting. Channel 4, or some other UK channel, did a documentary on her back in the 80s. It was a verified miracle. She is not the only one...

But I have made my decision, long ago, for good constructive, realistic reasons I don't believe in god.

I have absolutely no reason whatever to want a revelation. 

2 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Amen!

Is that an instantaneous Amen verbalisation reaction coming from an from an ultimate moment of pleasure?

38 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

About the same time I stopped believing in father christmas and the tooth fairy, my whole world collapsed and I was left staring at reality.

 Best post this decade!!!

5 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

TG is shuttered until ( the earliest ) 1 August.

 

I doubt that many airlines will restart service until such time as the entry requirements are very clearly defined.

 

It is not clear to me how much demand there is for flights to Thailand?

"I doubt that many airlines will restart service until such time as the entry requirements are very clearly defined."

Very key point, will the discussions on the 16th look at this point, certainly hope so because it's a major block to mass numbers entering especially farang caught outside and want to see their families in Thailand also a very key and frustrating point. 

First PR holders were mentioned as having priority to re-enter with minimal complications, then work permit holders.

PR holders now never mentioned in media items, work-permit holders also seem to have been mostly forgotten.

Plus difficult to get clear understanding of the entry documents needed, and then the difficulty of getting the documents (for me, for fit to fly document, need to take multiple public transports to get to the Thai embassy in Sydney in a wheel chair, or taxi AUD$80 - 90 to get there and $80 - 90 back. Then the health Insurance, some folks thought they had found a suitable policy then discovered the insurance company is not on the allowed list, but can't find a list of accepted companies.

Wow. 

At one point I called the Aust. Embassy in Sydney and in Canberra trying to get answers about priority for PR holders and about acceptable health policies, total waste of time. 

I called Immigration in Chiang Mai to ask if, because of my mobility problems, any chance of applying to do 14 days at home in CM in my own bedroom with son leaving meals on a small table outside my b'room door. They laughed. My son called them again, waste of a phone call. 

1 minute ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

that is incorrect (in my opinion), at least in contemporary usage.

 

atheism is simply the absence of belief in a god or gods.  there is no claim that a god/gods do not exist, as that would imply knowledge that one does not have, and would shift the burden of proof.  atheism requires no proof to be true as no claims to absolute knowledge are made.

 

a theist claims there is a god/gods.  the atheist rejects the claim without sufficient evidence.

 

 

Way too complicated.

For me, easy, it's all <deleted> and scam.

11 minutes ago, loong said:

God created this world and everything in it.

Why did he create animals that chase other animals and tear them to bits for food?

Why allow wars?

Why allow violence in HIS name?

All things bright and beautiful Ok

All things dark, ugly and evil - WHY?

"God created this world and everything in it."

Sorry, that just cannot be true, no further discussion needed.

Where's the OP, gone very quiet...

On 6/12/2020 at 9:21 PM, Pilotman said:

I never did believe in ghosts, poltergeist, spirits, goblins, little green men, or a God. How can one possibly believe in something that runs counter to all logical scientific thought and for which there is precisely zero hard evidence.   Once you add, that more misery, wars, death and evil has been caused by adherents to one religion or another, usually against each other, you have a set of belief systems that are highly damaging, dangerous and destructive. Put God worshipping in the same box as astrology and mind reading.  

I went to Sunday school etc., like a good kid for years.

I got conscripted into the army and went to Vietnam.

During basic training my platoon went to the 2 hr session by the camp chaplain.

Chaplain pleasant enough guy, kept saying 'ask me any questions, any questions'.

A few recruits did, then I put my hand up and said 'excuse me sir I've always been confused where the bible came from'.

Chaplain went berserk and gave me a mouthful of abuse for being insulting, and called some soldiers to take me to the commanders office with a short note about my behavior.

I was paraded before the camp commander and all in 1 minute sentenced to additional kitchen cleaning duties for the next 3 months for being rude to the chaplain.

Didn't do much to give me any faith in the bible, god jesus etc.

But I'll add, very often during recruit training, especially just after long sessions in the jungle etc., we would suddenly come across a small army land rover with a Salvation Army officer, a big urn of hot sweet tea and big trays of freshly cut sandwiches and never one word about god, jesus, let us pray etc. And the same but less often in Vietnam.

In Vietnam I never saw or was aware of any other chaplains being present. 

"Visitors must hold travel insurance, have tested negative for COVID-19 prior to travel, and be easily located by the authorities once in Thailand."

The last words '''easily located'''.

- Does does that mean they have are free to move around from day of arrival but using an app/SMS system/e.mail address etc., whereby Thai authorities can easily contact them? Or?

On 6/11/2020 at 3:58 PM, Peter Denis said:

Since October 2019 a thai IO-approved health-insurance policy issued by one of the TGIA associated insurers is mandatory when applying for the 1-year extension based on your original Non Imm O-A Visa for reason of retirement.

You write that your current permission to stay based on that Non Imm O-A Visa expires in 5 days.

That's short, but if you act now you will still be able to subscribe to one of those thai IO-approved health-insurance policies.  Since the majority of those policies are basically worthless, I would recommend subscribing to the dead cheapest one, which is the LMG Insurance Plan 1 (with 200K deductible) that sells at an annual premium of 6.000 THB to 11.400 THB in the age bracket of 51 to 75 years).

An additional advantage is that that policy does not require an (expensive) medical.  You just need to fill in the comprehensive application form to subscribe to the policy and you will get the Health-Insurance Certificate that IO requires a couple of days later in your mail.  Obviously you should refrain from ticking any serious pre-existing conditions on the application questionnaire, as that might lead to LMG rejecting your application.  Since you only subscribe to the policy as an 'entry ticket' to meet the IO health-insurance requirement for your O-A retirement extension application, and probably will not make any claims under that policy, doing so should not be considered as fraud.

 

>> I also PM-ed you a comprehensive guideline document addressing all details/options on how to convert to a 90-day Non Imm O retirement Visa and subsequent 1-year extension.  The requirements/conditions when applying for such a Non Imm O retirement extension are exactly the same as for your present Non Imm O-A retirement-extension, but with the one difference that the Non Imm O does NOT require any mandatory health-insurance.

However, a conversion to a Non Imm O Visa requires a border-run (in order to 'kill' the present permission to stay of your Non Imm O-A Visa), which is not possible at the moment.

Therefore your best option would most probably be to bite the 'insurance bullet' and subscribe to that cheap thai IO-approved LMG Insurance policy, and then re-apply at your current IO for the 1-year extension based on your original Non Imm O-A Visa for reason of retirement.

Success!

 

Can the insurance company  brokerage agency mentioned arrange the health insurance currently required on arrival in Thailand in regard to Covid 19: cover for tests and treatments, and minimum overall coverage of US$100,000? Or can members please suggest other insurance companies / insurance brokerages who have such policies?  Thanks.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Already on my phone this morning.

Updated itself, can login with fingerprint now.

Android Huawei Y9 2019

Wow good stuff, makes banking so easy, so efficient and so fast. 

On 6/12/2020 at 12:20 AM, Neeranam said:

They were made take away their tip box the last time someone complained, with hundreds of Facebookers commenting about the injustice. Not all like to bend over and take it up the you know what.

  

Is it the actual immigration office providing this service and actual immigration staff making the copies and taking the money?

Or is it an independent person with a small independent shop on the immigration location with the shop operator taking the money? 

5 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

Nuts probably rattled loose ...

Oh the pain, oh the pleasure...

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

let's hope it does all that was intended for.... history of app making/properly working in Thailand doesn't have a good record

And is available to farang who have BKK bank savings a/c's and CC.

1 minute ago, Creasy said:

Have they got any cash for maintenance of the planes ?

Or for taxis for cabin crew shopping trips...