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16 minutes ago, JRG23 said:

I have recently obtained my digital work permit in a BOI company with a diploma.

I was told I needed some form of education certificate.

I have no degree, just that diploma (without a transcript).

 

Further, in some cases the employer can convince the Labour Ministry that long-term broad experience is the main requirement of the job rather than academic qualifications.  

23 hours ago, Tony s book said:

veterinar

Which possibly means that your documented qualifications would need to be accepted by the appropriate Thai authority.

In regard to doctors of medicine, overseas qualifications are not accepted. In such case the person needs to study again in a Thai school of medicine, same course as locals and in Thai language. Whether the same attitude /regulation flows through to veterinary qualifications acceptance needs to be checked.

Google produced this:

The headline is:  SURVEY: Arrests for fake news -- justified or not?

But the survey questions don't mention arrest.

Surveys should NEVER be confusing. If they are then the accuracy of the data/result is inaccurate/very inaccurate.

1 hour ago, Dogmatix said:

It would be ridiculous, if they spent a load of taxpayers money with huge graft built in and it didn’t even include foreign passports. The old system was also for HK, Singapore and some other passports registered but not resident in Thailand.

 

Last time I enquired, before the lockdown, the new 10-year Thai passports, which should have been ready in May 2019, were still not available with no estimated time of arrival. That is another big commission outsourced project and it has to dovetail with Immigration’s new system.

In other words there is no accountability whatever. 

On 6/5/2020 at 10:09 AM, scorecard said:

Good points. This thread talks about the corruption, there's also cronyism and nepotism, both totally rampant in this airline (airline not the correct word, not quite true, it's really a powerful self organized self controlled, membership restricted hi-so status club with benefits). 

An example, after a few years service cabin crew get a draft of their work/flights schedule for the next several months. They are entitled to refuse to take some/all of the flights listed on the draft. e.g. Paris, no thanks too cold in that month, Singapore, no thanks been there 10 times already this year, etc. They mark what they want and don't want and make suggestions of where they will fly, it goes back to the scheduling folks who re-arrange it all. 

Back to today, PR holders, Covid 19 and international travel into and out of Thailand.

Have any Thailand PR holders recently noticed any new or updated details of documentation (e,g, medical reports, Covid test results, Covid health insurance, fit to fly documents etc.) for PR holders to enter Thailand and/or to depart Thailand?

Also about the requirements for quarantine on arrival in Thailand. Whilst Thai citizens are required to do 14 days compulsory quarantine at gov't location or hotel obviously same applies to all other folks.

But has there been any suggestion of when 14 days quarantine for Thais will be dropped, and when that happens will PR holders also no longer need to quarantine on arrival.

Also, and specific details whether arriving PR holders have to be taken to 'luxury' accommodation or have a choice of gov't venue or basic hotel, and in all scenarios who pays? 

On the other hand, does anybody have a specific e. mail address or tel no., to call in Thailand to get some answers to the above? 

I use a wheelchair, my family home is in Chiang Mai, I'm hoping, perhaps with some quick discussion with my Thai adult son on arrival in CM, they might allow me to do the 14 days quarantine in my own bedroom at home with son taking care of meals etc. Probably NO, but maybe worth a try. 

One more, does any member know what agency to contact in Malaysia to check whether non-Malaysian citizens are allowed to currently do transit in Malaysia (KLIA), example AirAsia,  Australian cities to KL, 1 to 3 hr stopover airside in AirAsia lounge,  then new flight KL to Bkk or Chiang Mai?

Please share, any aligned facts/details etc., much appreciated. 

Perhaps also valuable for other PR holders.

On 6/4/2020 at 5:57 PM, bluesofa said:

Given his attitude up to now, I can see the press conference:

"Of course we were sitting together. Do you even think there's a remote chance I or any of my staff would be susceptible to contracting that common working man's disease, Covid?"

You missed the point about the virus coming into LOS / spread in Thailand by dirty foreigners who refuse to do as they are told to wear masks. 

8 hours ago, ChipButty said:

My last flight with them was some years ago Business class BKK to Dubai the attitude of the crew stunk, I bet they are changing their attitude now or maybe not

I have no doubt quite a few see that they belong to a different sector of Thai society which is entitled to more and whatever pleases them and it would be totally unthinkable to disturb their entitled life. 

4 hours ago, steven100 said:

I think it's a bit late for that. Should have done something 12 months ago.

12 years ago or more...

On 6/2/2020 at 10:35 PM, steven100 said:

insurance hasn't been made mandatory and quarantine is a requirement now if returning to Thailand however this may be relaxed from July 1st so just wait for news and an announcement by the government, 

"insurance hasn't been made mandatory" Does this mean:

1. The medical insurance which has been discussed broadly in relation to several visa types for several years, or...

2. Specifically In regard to entering Thailand during the Covid 19 situation, with coverage for Covid 19 tests and treatment and a general coverage of not less then US$100,000?

1 hour ago, Dogmatix said:

That’s it. TM16 is the blue book and TM17 is the white book. TM15 is presumably archaic and now redundant because anyone entitled to it is long dead, if it was really for those who arrived before the first Immigration Act of 1927.

 

i think the red books may actually pre-date the 1927 Immigration Act. There were large waves of Chinese immigration since the late 19th century when British and German shipping companies started regular coastal steamer services around China and SE Asia. The government must have issued a law requiring Chinese and possibly other nationalities to report to police stations and be issued with a red book. It might not have included Indians, Burmese, Malays who were all British, or Indochinese who were all French because the Europeans, Americans and Japanese were not subject to Siamese laws under the international treaties that were the forerunners of the only surviving one, the US Treaty of Amity and Economic Relations. There was definitely a big triad criminal problem on Thailand and SE Asia and Siamese police needed a handy way to identify and control Chinese living in their precincts. It was probably like getting a Thai driving license without test by presenting a foreign driving license. Just show up at the police station with your Chinese documents and be issued a red book.

 

So, from 1927 I am speculating that Chinese already registered before the Immigration Act came into force could take their red books along to a spanking new Immigration office and be issued with a TM15 book of whatever colour automatically without having to go through the PR application process and prove they had a profession or trade to support themselves with. There was a similar provision in the first Working of Aliens Act in the early 70s which introduced work permits. Those already working and with PR were issued with lifetime WPs, valid as long as they remained in the same profession. It may have been a different colour too. Thailand loves to preserve archaic and redundant provisions which no one fares clean up or it just occur to them they are redundant.

 

if there any really old hands out there with a TM15 certificate of residence, please post a pic of it and let us know what colour it is.

 

I'm just wondering about Chinese immigrants who came down from mainland China many many decades ago.

I recall reading* something like after a large number of Chinese arrived into Siam the gov't of the day gave them a form of long-term approval to stay and after a couple more generations their children were granted Thai citizenship. Sounds logical. (I've searched but I now can't find it.)

I also recall going to the old Imm. office in Soi Suan Plu to get a new certificate of residence book (white cover) because my original dark blue book was full. This would have been round 2544 / 2001.

The day I went the ground floor of the Soi Suan Plus office was overrun with perhaps 100 or more (wild guess) old and very old Chinese folks. They were accompanied by much younger family members and a couple of agents. 

One of the agents asked me (good English) why I was there above. I explained, she looked at my documents and said 'looks like your well prepared'.

Out of curiosity I asked why the large crowd of old / very old Chinese folks. She explained 'they also have PR, it was basically crated for these and similar folks, many got PR 50 or 60 years, they don't qualify for Thai citizenship but their children do'.

What documents they were carrying I don't recall. 

I wonder if the above sits somewhere in the discussion in this thread? 

14 hours ago, chainarong said:

What needs to be done is to eliminate the most corrupt of them all, the Government, then sort through the mess from there, this isn't going to happen so it's business as usual.

And I'm having doubts that the bankruptcy/ rehabilitation or whatever they're calling it today will ever really go ahead and be completed. Won't surprise me if somehow it limps along for many more years, partly because the powerful folks at Thai (now and many already retired), don't want the lid lifted/fear the lid being lifted.

5 hours ago, Arkady said:

 

If you flip the Chumphon Immigration page into Thai you get this.

ใบสำคัญถิ่นที่อยู่ (ตม.15)

กรณีเข้ามาอยู่ในราชอาณาจักรก่อน พ.ร.บ.คนเข้าเมืองฯ กำหนด ฉบับละ 19,000 บาท

Alien book (TM15)

In the case the alien arrived in the Kingdom prior to the date specified in the Immigration Act B19,000.

 

This seems to mean that applications for PR were B19,000 before they were increased to what are they today.  My recollection is that the fee was B50,000 in the 1990s but it must have been less than that earlier.

Of course, Chumphon Immigration has nothing to do with PR applications and have no clue.  They are probably just regurgitating something in an old website or document.

If something is confusing in the English version of a Thai government website, you need to drill down to the Thai version to have any hope of understanding it.  Most Thai government officers at that level have a very basic command of written English but none are going to admit that to their boss, if asked to do an English translation.

Anyway, rest assured that a TM15 is a red alien book ใบสำคัญถิ่นที่อยู่ (ตม.15).  It matters not a fig what date you arrived in Thailand.

 

 

Around 22 - 23 years ago, I forget the fee to lodge the PR application, I guess a few thousand Baht, on approval I paid the single rate of 50,000Baht to get issued with the dark blue certificate of residence book, plus 2Baht to pay for the book.   

4 hours ago, faraday said:

When you hit rock bottom, the only way is up - back up to sobriety & a happy life.

 

I know this is true.

Good advice, and the reality is that it's only you who can activate and accomplish change, keep positive, take it day by day and fight like hell to ensure you don't go backwards, and good luck.

8 hours ago, Jaxxper said:

Don’t know what a new one runs, but I would guess Thb 65,000. Not worth the inevitable aggravation you will have by renting it. Find somewhere to store it safely and just leave it for the 8 months would be my view. Any agent/vendor you find to rent it will be more interested in renting his/her own bikes I would guess.

Good points. Another option is to always use mcy taxis when your in LOS. 

1 hour ago, rasmus5150 said:

And now TG has cancelled all July flights to northern Europe........

 

I'm worried that they would rather go bust than show the world their dirty laundry.......

 

One thing is certain - I will NEVER book another TG flight......

In other words, internal chaos reigns. 

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Yes, it should not have been used for that. But I would presume that in talks things are discussed. So to me it does seem likely that 1. he knew him; 2. he knew of his criminal past; and 3, he knew of any illegal substances George was taking (if any).

Now afaik he had no criminal past in Minnesota where he moved to in 2009?

It has been mentioned that they did both work as bouncers at the same club but they had very little contact with each other.

2 minutes ago, transam said:

The guy did say "Could have"....If you have anything info to the contrary then please post...

Could have has 3 arms, could have been a secret multi-billionaire, could have invented an invisible smartphone, could have is not relevant because puts ideas into peoples minds which can remain and actually build unfair process. Once it's said, even if the judge says 1,000 times 'the jury will disregard the comment, nothing can actually erase it and there is a chance that it will subconsciously sway some  jurors and the public.  

It someone deliberately set out to influence people to think I am a mass murderer etc., then I would be very angry, what about you?  

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

He had the virus so could have spat at the officer in the car leading to him being taken out and restrained, sadly for too long. Be polite and co operate when arrested and there is no need for restraint or risk to your health.

",,,, he could have spat at the officer...." Any proof or specific details to back that up? Or your wild opportune assumption? 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Actually I'm trying to be rational about the case. He wasn't the first black man to be killed by the cops and he won't be the last, also white guys are killed by the cops, apparently in greater numbers. The only reason that I can see to make this case "special" is to use it to attack Trump over.

So why don't all Americans demand serious, consistent and locked in change to police behaviors and demand clearly fair & balanced justice? After all the US is the land of freedom of speech with amendments to the constitution on this point etc.

Trump; i have no hesitation to share that I think he's a dangerous fool and IMHO he brings all the criticism on himself, through his attention getting grandstanding and obvious desire to be noticed, by his outrageous claims and behaviors. 

42 minutes ago, MaxYakov said:

So that's all that matters, huh? It doesn't matter that a drug-addicted, coronavirus-infected ex-con decided to drive around that day and got snagged by the police and then resisted arrest. Fve lives have probably been destroyed, depending on the outcome of the trials of these police officers.

 

Throw in the killings and injuries of several including law enforcement officers and others and property destruction that has occurred over this under the guise of "peaceful protests" and we have a tragedy that goes far beyond the death of George Floyd. The crimes committed by the mobs and the wanton destruction far exceeds the crimes that may have been committed by these cops. The death of George Floyd was obviously a trigger to a tsunami of crimes of death and destruction.

 

 

 

Sory I don't buy it.

Do you have any link to prove he knew he was positive for Covid 19 at the time this incident occurred.

Or was he discovered to be covid 19 positive after the incident at autopsy?