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The source link of the graph above and the quote below:

https://www.statista.com/chart/22068/change-in-wealth-of-billionaires-during-pandemic/
 

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U.S. billionaires saw their wealth surge 20 percent since the start of the pandemic according to an analysis by the Institute for Policy Studies and Americans for Tax Fairness. Between March 18 and June 17, the total net worth of 643 American billionaires increased from $2.9 trillion to $3.5 trillion while a further 29 individuals joined the club. While their collective wealth grew by $584 billion, some 45.5 million Americans filed for unemployment.

On 7/4/2020 at 7:07 AM, johnpetersen said:

https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/publications/factsheets/prevention-research-centers.htm

That link only says they are supporting others which do active research, but not that they do it themselves.

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CDC provides leadership, technical assistance, and oversight to a network of 25 Prevention Research Centers (PRCs) to conduct innovative public health research at the community level.

Then it goes on to explain what these PRCs are doing. Nothing about active scientific research by CDC scientists themselves. Which is no surprise, the job of the CDC is not to duplicate the universities, but more administrative. 

23 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

No. What I'm saying is the most doctors aren't trained as scientists. What they learn is the result of scientific research. That's not the same thing. 

Do you actually know what a medical doctor has to do in his university education? It seems that you don’t. It might not be the same in every country, but the way I know it there is a phase where they do some scientific research, and are trained in it. That can include hands on research in labs with mice and all that.

As said, some might replace following the latest research with following the presentations given by the promotion teams of the pharmaceutical industry, usually in nice hotels in a vacation like setting, but there are also many others which do keep up with the development in science.

23 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Your original point was that she didn't wear masks. You didn't qualify that in any way. Even after I called you out on it, you still maintained she doesn't wear masks. She certainly does wear masks when she goes out into public spaces.

You also claimed she was not wearing masks due to the advice of Dr. Drosten of the Robert Koch Institute. I looked up what the Institute was saying about wearing masks. It was unequivocally recommending their use.

Now you are misstating my post and pick on a point of it, taking it out of context.

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MissesMerkel, is not wearing a mask and said at her recent meeting with France's Macron publicly that she does not need one because she keeps a 1.5 meter distance.

Up until then she was indeed not seen wearing a mask anywhere. Feel free to point to pictures showing otherwise, if you find any. However the main point, the point you seem to have missed, is her statement that she does not need a mask if she keeps a 1.5 meter distance. 
 

This is an important statement, as especially outdoors it is easy to keep that distance, thus requiring masks outdoors everywhere seems to be not needed, following her advice.
 

I’m sorry if you don’t like that statement of her, but if you want to keep on bickering about it please take it up with her.

You will be pleased to hear that she now made a public appearance and some photo shootings with a mask.

8 hours ago, Ratchsima said:

Thai people recognize and aware of the Chinese influence in Thailand for centuries. They have always been differences ans debates among Thais on this.

Go, #MilkTeaAlliance, go!

Yes, indeed, there is awareness of the problem with China’s / the CCP’s bullying. It started the MilkTeaAlliance, where young people of Taiwan, Hongkong and Thailand unite to support each other against that bullying.
 

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Young Thais join 'Milk Tea Alliance' in online backlash that angers Beijing

 

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Young Thais have banded together to pillory the Chinese embassy in Bangkok over a feud with Thai celebrities, part of a growing online movement to show solidarity with Taiwan and Hong Kong that has annoyed Beijing.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-china-internet-idUSKCN21X1ZT

7 hours ago, Traubert said:

See you later, phoneless and naked.

Although for you, living in China, it might be a surprise but there are plenty of producers of clothes and phones  outside of China, not CCP controlled.

There are excellent products made in Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan, and so many others. You heard about Taiwan, or is that all censored in China? Also Hong Kong is still an option, although probably not for long.
 

A boycott of Chinese products will certainly be an inconvenience, but it is definitely doable.

Reminds me to push Tim Cook to step up building up production in India and Vietnam, or even the US.

14 minutes ago, HOAX said:

Sadly 99.99% of Thais are completely clueless and they wont even notice anything before the CCP is beginning to restrict the very basics of Thai norms, and then its already too late, unless the West do something drastic very soon.

The training has begun already, curfews, bans...

1 hour ago, Traubert said:

I know they set one citizen alight, I know they're using IED's, corrosive liquid bombs just a couple of examples.

 

I'd call that terrorism, no?

You can claim whatever you want, knowing that you‘re living in China we know what you cannot say, what you have to say, and that most real news are not accessible for you.

6 minutes ago, Traubert said:

But not in Hong Kong?

In Hong Kong the terror comes fron the external government (CCP) of the local government, not from the citizens demanding their freedom. But then again, you know that.

3 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Engineers get a scientific education too. That doesn't make them scientists. Scientists do research. Maybe you've got a doctor who conveniently enough is also a microbiologist and an epidemiologist. Maybe not. Doing scientific research is no more required of a doctor than it is of an engineer. Their education is based on scientific knowledge not on the advancement of it through research. There's a difference.  

Interesting, so according to you only an active scientist can understand the latest research and advise me on vaccinations, and not a medical doctor who in his time at the university did scientific research, not even if it was in the subjects of interest here.

But then again, how many such active scientists are working in the CDC? 

11 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

You already did say so.

If you infer that they have a relation based on that she gets advice from him then feel free to do so.

2 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Scientists tracking the coronavirus genome report that, unlike other viruses such as the flu, this coronavirus doesn't change quickly, which means mutations are unlikely to slow the development of a vaccine.

An important point, often misunderstood here by posters claiming the opposite.

3 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

 

No it doesn't confirm what you said.

I‘m sorry if I didn‘t quote everything she or you said. She talks a lot and you too.

My point was that she shows herself in the meeting with Macron and the press activities around it without mask, and, when asked about it, she said that “If I follow distancing rules I don’t need to wear a mask.“ Btw, her original statement in German language was different, Reuters has translated that somewhat freely, she spoke explicitly about 1.5 meters. So that in her opinion masks are not required when you keep that 1.5 meter distance. 

3 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

You already have made such a statement:

 "Keep in mind that she gets advised by Germany's famous Robert Koch Institute and by Dr. Drosten, so if she does so, she might know better than you."

If you say so.

11 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Perhaps it is time to ask the people in the US states who were opposed to  limited curtailments of capacity and  social distancing? Texas, Arizona, Florida, Alabama, Louisiana  will provide an indication of what happens when there are no limitations. I suggest polling be down in the large urban areas that have now reached ICU capacity and have been forced to postpone elective procedures as there are inadequate health professionals available and a shortage of beds. For some gosh strange reason, the scenario is turning out just as the  health professionals said it would. And even stranger is that strange state of New York which still has some limitations in place as it gradually reopens, is showing a reduction in its infections.

And what has that to do with the topic of this thread?
If you need to ramble, at least pick a thread closer to the topic you want to ramble about, or start your own.

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Really doesn't matter any which way as Biden will be the next POTUS. You need to pace yourself till November. The old ticker may not handle this well. 

What a pity that you're backing out. I was looking forward to your answer about CCP’s preferred and supported president.

8 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

I'm saying that doctors aren't scientists and not obliged to keep up with the latest research. They're generalists, not experts.

I’m not aware that doctors can become doctors without a scientific education at a university.
 

I don’t think your statement is correct. There might be doctors which do not keep up with the latest research, and replace that by attending events sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry, but you can choose your doctor, as you said earlier.

For example, one of my doctors is a microbiologist and epidemiologist who keeps very much up with the latest research. 

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Biden will have everything ship shaped before the pandemic strike. He has more energy than Trump moving up and down the ramp.

So you’re saying that the CCP supports Biden but does not support Trump?

Or in other words, the US should make Biden the next president to get the support and masks of the CCP coming in?

5 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

So the reason that Angela Merkel trusts Dr. Drosten is that he looks in her the eyes. If he advised her over the phone, she wouldn't follow it. 

I’m making no statement about the relation between Chancellor Merkel and Drosten. I’m sure they have met personally, with or without masks, and you know that. If not, there was ample press coverage, use your favorite search engine. Your statement above is nothing but trolling.

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Only if Trump gets on his knees. 

How about Biden, the CCP will supply him? Dies he have to get on his knees too?

27 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Chancellor Angela Merkel said she has never been seen with a mask because although she wears one for buying groceries she is keeping her shopping destination secret...

Merkel responded: “If I follow distancing rules I don’t need to wear a mask.

From your quote, confirming exactly what I said.

1 minute ago, johnpetersen said:

Yes because bedside manner trumps scientific knowledge every time. Good to know that sentimentalism is the principle that guides you in the matter health care. 

“Bedside manner”? “sentimentalism”? What are you imputing?

Are you saying that medical doctors have no scientific knowledge?

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Someone dropped the ball again. The Strategic National Stockpile is still short of 30 million N95 masks. After 5 months of pandemic, Trump administration still behind the curve. 

I’m sure your friends at the CCP will happily supply them. 

2 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

We live in a different age now. Where you can consult the CDC or the Robert Koch institute to see what they say about vaccines. And if your doctor's advice follows their guidelines, fine. But if not, go see another doctor.

You forgot the Imperial College in the UK.
 

I’m sorry, before I trust the advice of an anonymous CDC, with more or less disclosed sponsoring by commercial entities, or a politician, I trust my doctor, who looks me into the eyes when he makes his recommendations. And this even more when it comes to children.