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7 minutes ago, spiekerjozef said:

No swimming in the sewer.

Now I understand the beach ban in Pattaya and Jomtien ! 

3 hours ago, Berkshire said:

You are missing the key point.  The OP is asking "pro lockdown advocates" the question.  No such person exist. 

I would like to think so, looking at all the collateral damage lockdowns are causing.  Unfortunately that's not the impression I get when reading the posts here or watching the "news".

6 hours ago, xylophone said:

Yes, spot on lkv, and that's what I was alluding to, however I probably didn't make it clear enough.

 

As we know now, it is a virus, but back then it was treated as a case of bacterial pneumonia I believe, hence the IV antibiotics and saline. And I have just found the hospital report which was tucked away in one of my drawers and it says "pneumonia, fever, lung crepitation, cough and sore throat" and what I also didn't know then because I was quite poorly, was what was prescribed and it appears that both azithromycin and cefepime were given intravenously, this along with a whole host of other medications, none of which I remember at the time.

 

Something else which makes me think that Covid was a possibility, is the fact that about five or six days earlier I had been out and about in the party area of Patong, and was also singing with a band in a large and crowded bar, which can hold up to a hundred people or so, and is not unusual for them to approach me after my stint on stage to get selfies taken, or get hugged by overzealous and inebriated "admirers"!!!

 

Whatever it was, it really did knock me about and even though I wasn't feeling at all well when I discharged myself, I had had enough of the hospital food and hard bed and decided I would be best at home just sleeping because I was being given a lot of medication, some of which made me very drowsy.

 

I have never had a case of pneumonia my life and my lung capacity etc is good because of my many decades of playing sports, so this was very much out of the blue.

 

Anyway, along with a few others out there, I do believe this thing was quite possibly circulating way before it was announced in January 2020.

 

Maybe a coincidence, but who knows, this especially as we are only just finding out more about the background of the virus.

Thanks for the report!

It's plausible, in my humble opionion, and I have seen similar cases here in November and December 2019. Going through the antibiotics did not help much. What seemed to have helped eventually, in 2 cases, has been a few days of CDS treatment, taken as a desperate measure after about 3 weeks,  but this is no claim of a cure, it could simply be a correlation.

„I would love to hear your plans on how to feed unemployed people, how you plan to pay their rent, how you are going to deal with suicides due to unemployment, no food, no housing and all the wonderful things that go along with people experiencing what they are currently dealing with at the moment.„ - That was the question of the OP.
 

 Funny and sad to see so much bickering, despite the superior education of some heavy posters, but rarely a constructive answer to the original question.

2 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Yes it's a plot.  Buy lots of aluminum foil to make yourself protective armor. 

I thought it must be tin? As you‘re the expert, please tell us, aluminium foil or tin foil?

30 minutes ago, 7fish said:

I have a problem trusting John Hopkins data as it was their models, (wonder who funded those models?) that were used to justify the lockdowns, then later by their own admission, were shown to be wildly inaccurate, predicting millions of deaths that haven't happened. Yes Sweden has suffered economically but without all the restrictions being imposed on small business recovery is more a matter of public confidence in returning to normal. Most lockdown countries in the west aren't going back to 'normal' they are moving forward to a 'new normal' it's important to know what that 'new normal' represents and whose interests it serves.

 

but back to sweden:

 

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/01/covid-why-sweden-has-already-won-the-debate-on-covid-19-lockdown-policy/

Very impressive, this comparison, thanks.

2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Your argument being the less you lockdown and the more you allow free movement the less the virus will spread.......mmmmmm interesting.

Not really, you are misstating what I said.

To word it simple:

You have a country where you apply measure A. You see something happening. It could be correlation, it could be causality. You want to know what would have happened without that measure?

Ideally you would have to go back in time and run the same but without that measure. Obviously we cannot.

We can only compare with other countries. 
For example very different countries, far away, such as the US or Brazil.

Or very similar countries, neighbors actually, such as Cambodia.

You can now pick the numbers of the far away countries, or you can pick the numbers of the neighbor, zero.

I think it is more likely that the numbers would be similar to Cambodia than to USA/Brasil.

Of course you can think differently, pick the pessimistic scenario, but at least you should not negate the optimistic possibility that the result would be similar to Cambodia, which indeed has zero deaths.

32 minutes ago, tubby johnson said:

LOL ... Have you handed over any money? 

 

What's your solution?  (apart from fake cures & bogus science)

For my part, yes, I kind of adopted 2 jobless families, and make sure they don‘t loose their rooms, and have enough food.

2 hours ago, JackThompson said:

To spite the bad food, their primary "crime" - in terms of getting sick from covid - is "living to be too old."  This was especially true in Italy.  It's great we have ways to keep people alive into very old age, but that doesn't mean we do not become weaker - thus can be taken-out by a weak virus like this one (which does not affect the young and healthy).

There seems to be a significant difference in the age group dying from (or with) Covid-19 in the US and in the rest of the world. The „65 and older“ pattern is true for the rest of the world, not for the US, where it seems to be 4x or older. 
 

The most likely explanation for me seems to be the junk food and the obesity, hence my comment about it. Unless of course the death stats are fake ...

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The only people who are advocating the extension of the lockdown here are government workers on a full salary, or ex-pats with a fat pension. 

Indeed, that is very true, at least for Thailand.

3 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

No one is pro-lockdown. We would all love to have things as they were. Unfortunately, that is not possible. I get it. You are scared. You do not understand, You want things as they were. Well, it is not going to happen.

Yet you look away when countries are discussed which achieved better results that Thailand and all lockdown countries, without a Thai style lockdown. The clear proof that it is indeed possible.

Looks to me as if you‘re the one so scared that you cannot think anymore, like so many. No surprise, my head starts to spin too if I listen to CNN for a while. 
 

Take a deep breath now, and discuss the question the OP posted, or go bickering elsewhere.

3 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

You are showing your insecurity when you use the term "bragging". Previously, you also  assumed I was a pensioner. I am gainfully employed and yes I am educated in the health sciences. I do not discuss my employment

It is absolutely ok to not talk about your employment. I wouldn‘t too. 
 

However you were claiming that you know better than other posters because you have a superior education. But then you refuse to specify what education. Imputing insecurity because I dare to ask that you follow up on this is is not helping. It is however typical for your posts, as I mentioned previously, to mix half-truths with insults, and then ramble on. 
 

So what is it, your education?

3 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Your political agenda is  a mirror image of the Trump talking points.

There you go, who? Trump? I don’t really give a rats bottom about him, as you can easily see if you look at my posts here. 
 

But even Trump can say something sometimes which overlaps with what I’m saying, sure. But using that to accusing me, or other posters here, of having an agenda to promote Trump is a malicious imputation. Do you really need such tactics?

4 hours ago, CLS said:

I wanted to post this research here 2 days ago till I read the last paragraph.

 

„Prof. Gertjan Medema of the KWR Water Research Institute in the Netherlands, whose team began using a coronavirus test on waste water in February, suggested the Barcelona group needs to repeat the tests to confirm it is really the SARS-CoV-2 virus.“

Sure, these PCR tests are never 100%, and some not only unreliable, but very unreliable. If you test 10000 uninfected people, you get many false positives. As it is happening now in many places.

Nevertheless, sometimes they are correct, the manufacturers usually claim 9x %. So it is more probable that it is correct than not.

25 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

In general I agree with this, with the only exception that if a vaccine actually makes it to market by winter then countries who controlled the spread will have overall lower death rates than those who didn't. Otherwise countries like Sweden and Japan who did not have hard lockdowns will likely fare the best as they will already have some herd immunity by then and will have no second wave (or third or fourth).

 

It is interesting to note that despite growing case numbers, deaths in Sweden have been going down since April and are basically under 10 a day now. Also interesting that western media routinely fails to mention that fact. The disease has essentially run it's course over there, 5300 dead - 90% of which are over 70. Literally no one below 40 died. Other countries shut the world for this, it's insane. Graph of deaths per day attached.

 

I’m very happy to hear that, and I’m sure that all the ones which had been bashing Sweden for their strategy are happy too, as our common goal is minimized deaths!

SARS-CoV-2 detected in waste waters in Barcelona on March 12, 2019

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Researchers detected the presence of the virus that caused the disease in samples of waste water in Barcelona, collected in March 12, 2019

Source: https://www.ub.edu/web/ub/en/menu_eines/noticies/2020/06/042.html?
 

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SARS-CoV-2 was detected in Barcelona sewage long before the declaration of the first COVID-19 case, indicating that the infection was present in the population before the first imported case was reported. 

Source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

One argument against stats of deaths and infections etc is that you have no idea what the figures might have been  without a severe lockdown.....we could have been looking at UK/Brazil/USA type figures. 

Or may be the figures would be like Cambodia - zero deaths.

15 hours ago, cmarshall said:

Apparently since you are so angry about being inconvenienced by the closure of beaches and the alcohol ban, that you are unable to grasp a discussion of Covid response that isn't about lockdown or no lockdown, which is, after all, not the main issue.  The main issue is whether the government starts the right containment measures quickly and carefully enough.  Thailand, Vietnam, S. Korea, Taiwan, and others did.  The Western countries did not.  

If your point is Asia vs Wester countries, then you should be happy that I help your point by bringing Cambodia, with zero deaths, into the discussion. As Cambodia is in Asia, and not a Western country, it would support your point!

Unless your real point would be the draconian lockdown of Thailand, then of course you have to ignore the better results of Cambodia, achieved without draconian lockdown.

Which one is it?

21 minutes ago, drbeach said:

Laotians and Cambodians never really wore them to begin with, and looking at recent footage out of Vientiane, it's like normal times (less than 10% of people in that footage were wearing masks)...

Indeed, when I video with my friends in Cambodia they show me the restaurants and bars and markets, rarely a mask to be seen, and certainly no distancing, and no Corona, and they laugh about me being locked down ????

12 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

 

Above is what I wrote. Below is how you dishonestly edited it.

What you've done is obviously dishonest.

Thanks for the accusation. However I have not edited anything, not changed a single letter, so if you say that I edited, then you are dishonest. What you posted and claimed it would be „how I edited it“ was not posted by me. You invented it, fabricated it. Why?

You can go back to check what I really posted. You will see that I merely quoted 1 part of your long post, unchanged, to point out a part which I see happening generally in many places, and which seems to be the main reasons for finding more infections.
 

I find it dishonest to hype up the amount of positive tests, as they are mainly a function of the amount of testing (as your post confirms), and as the recent example of the slaughter houses in Germany shows, also of the quality of the test.

Then the amount of positive tests is quite meaningless. In my humble opionion the focus should be on the amount of deaths, especially excess deaths. They need to be minimized.

Hi Marcuss, you bring up a good point, which modification to your car or bike could be an excuse to get you to pay a fine or worse.

Most here won‘t know, as they don’t have a car or a big bike in Thailand.

In general, if your accessory is an original accessory sold by the manufacturer of your car or bike, then you should be fine. If it is not obvious that it is an original accessory then it might make sense to keep a proof handy, such as a copy of the invoice, or a copy of the manufacturers product description.

Why don‘t you ask in your group for more details and if you get anything specific, please share.

2 hours ago, sezze said:

Oh really ... no it's 5G signal which came from a flat earth .

Sounds interesting, a link from flat earth to 5G, can you elaborate and please provide sources for your claim?

57 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

“We’re finding more cases because there’s more testing, that’s true,” said Mary Jo Trepka, a professor of epidemiology at Florida International University.

Thanks.