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I argue from facts. Emotions have nothing to do with this. What standards, again, are you referring to, that are "different". And different from where?

I'm not mad. I'm sticking up for myself against a person who calls me retarded, something that's very disrespectful and childish. My claims are valid, as is proven by millions of others, who I'm guessing you think are retarded also, because they think NYC pizza is tops. You have yet to prove any poll is fake also, even though that's not my deal. And again, I have no need to prove anything to you. You made an opinion. You were assuming things and twisting what I said around. If you need proof, ask the individual restaurants in the US what they use. Good luck, that might take you a few years. Just to get past New York.

They're NOT my polls. You asked for some, I provided some. You disputed because you think you are right. All polls aren't about marketing. Some actually are voted in. It doesn't matter anyway. I don't go by polls. I go by word of mouth and experience. I don't make opinions Facts matter, opinions don't. What's good for one, isn't for another. Some,like the OP, like Hawaiian pizza. I think it's okay, but it doesn't compare to an Italian with fresh mushrooms and sausage, with real mozzarella, homemade sauce and dough made with water from specific areas. And yes, the water does matter. Something that might slip by you. When I try a particular pizza, then I will see if it's good, to me. Polls mean nothing to me. They are there to tell others what others have experienced, and some are specifically to sell a product. Again, since this has blown past you again and again. I don't fall for anyone's opinion. I make my own, but things I established. You asking if someone that's obviously way past your thinking, and by your narcissistic replies, has a closed mind also, which doesn't lend itself to learning more but believing things you already have in your mind as true, and not open for higher learning, if I'm retarded, when I'm and have been, a daily reader all of my life, come from parents with genius level IQ's, and have been from an area inundated with Italians and their culture, and saying I don't understand what good Italian food is, that's again, pure unadulterated crapola.

You are another in the long line of people who visit the US for a couple weeks, and become an authority on it and it's cultures and food. You aren't. You know very little and nothing compared to a person who was born there and lived there for 62 years. Again, if it sinks in this time.When I visit Italy, then I will see for myself how the pizza is. I'm sure I'll like it, because others who have much the same comments on pizza we have tried back home have been there and told me all about it, that it's much like back home. Remember again, the pizzas made in the US, many of them, are being made by Italians FROM Italy, who import and grow their own ingredients, so they can make "copies" of what they made back in Italy. Funny, they say these "copies" are just like they made back home. But you're the expert, a person who spent how long in the US and had how many pizzas there? Of course you know more than the owners, the ones who make these pizzas daily. But the ingredients aren't up to "your" standards, of which I say, crapola.And tell us what standards you are talking about, and interesting ingredients. I like pizza with sausage, mushrooms and onions mainly. I've had pizza with almost everything one might add, and I still prefer the basics.

What do you think are all of the pizzas worldwide made daily besides copies? Do you actually think before you reply? As far as ego, I've shown that to be the case because you still aren't getting the main point I've been making all along. You once said Italian pizzas were the best, in another post. after I mentioned that NYC, NJ area pies are about the best worldwide. I stand by that comment. AMONG the best worldwide, copies of another's recipes passed down for many decades. Italian pies are rated at the top also. because...............that's where they originated from, and you'd think they'd have things down by now. Your replies about me being retarded not clever,etc , are those made by a person who thinks they are right, without knowing the other person. That IS narcissism, egotistical, arrogant. Pick the verb that fits. You've proven absolutely nothing. You have made opinions. I have pointed out what a few polls have said, backing my statement that NYC pizza is among the best worldwide. Others seem to agree, hence the polls. Oh, I forgot, those are just about ambience and service, and nothing to do with taste. Look things up, researching on NYC pizza. See what others say. You might learn a thing or two.

Yes, I fell for it, whatever it is to you, someone who assumes who I am and what I know. Myself, and the millions who eat pizza yearly in the US, and many who have traveled to Italy and said the same things I have.

You've spent a fair amount of time traversing the US? A month or so, trying pizza in a few places? Do you actually think that compares to 62 years, traversing all of America? You have NO idea of the standards that are in the US. Don't assume you do. "The average quality of ingredients did not meet my standard" Who the hell are you? You think Europe has better pizza than the US??? You need to get out more, and I mean out, not drive from one place to another, passing by 99.9% of the restaurants available. I know pizza. You think you do, because you've been to Italy. That doesn't deem you an expert by any means. Try reading what I write and not just breeze through without comprehending all of it. I HAVE Italian relatives and friends, all of my life, from the NYC area, a place that is the go to place for Italian food in the US, yes, totally comparable to Italy, because.....................they come from Italy. I'm willing to bet I've had more Italian food in the first 20 years of my life than you will ever have, unless again, you're from Italy, which would close the gap. When I visited there in November, I brought back food you can not get here. Sauces, made in Italy, but of course, you will say, it's bottled, and not comparable to homemade. Maybe, but they sure are good.

I'm not attacking but pointing out the obvious. It might be better for you to let this one go, because not everyone doesn't understand a narcissist and their ways. READ AGAIN. I did not say any pizza was the best. I said AMONG the best, and you know that I've meant that all along. I don't make the polls. People do. Read more, reply less.

That's what I've been trying to get across to him, but his ego won't allow him to actually read what others write, but pick apart it to suit his agenda. SOME of the best. AS good as anywhere else. Not worse, not better. Authentic "copies" made by chefs that use recipes handed down from other authentic chefs that came from the origin area.

For one, I don't make up anything. You asked for links, I sent them. You dispute everything because you think you're right. I don't care if you were born in Italy. I have had close experience with Italian chefs all of my life. Authentic, who yes, sometimes used fresh and sometime canned tomatoes. Yes, there is a difference, but it doesn't make one better than the other. People all have their own taste buds, many of which are marred by too much cigarettes, too much spice, or alcohol. You say the ingredients are not as good in the US as in Italy. That's your opinion. Others, who are chefs, say otherwise. They were born in Italy, and came here to do the same. They don't cut corners where making pizza is concerned. Not if they want repeat customers based on word of mouth. What is a passable imitation if it tastes as good as the original? How many NYC area pizzas have you tried, and talked with the owners about and what they used. I'm thinking just a few. I've sampled hundreds of different restaurants, and talked to many regarding what they use. Those that would talk and let me into their kitchens. Having Italian relatives helps also, many from the old country. Read this once more. I did NOT say there was a best pizza. I said the NYC area has always been in the top when it comes to making pies. This doesn't mean first place. As far as I'm concerned, there are many that are equally as good. Polls show what many consider to be the top places. You don't get voted in if you have inferior pizza. Taste is the number one priority, no matter what the restaurant offers. I'd rather have a great pizza in a 10 table small shop on a side street in Brooklyn than a $60 pie in a high class restaurant with Tony Bennett singing any day. And again, you assume I have been convinced of something, thinking I'm a youngster with little experience in how this world works. Far from it. I'm from New Jersey, NYC area, one of the most densely populated areas as far as Italians is concerned, and if you knew my life, you would see you are far more gullible than anything I could ever be. Don't assume things. You aren't the top taste tester as far as pizzas are concerned. Your opinion means little. Copying recipes doesn't make them second or third best, or worse. It's how you make more of the same. Is one Ford Explorer not the same as the next 3000 on a production line? Al;l copies, all the same. You make 100 pizzas using the same ingredients a recipe calls for, they will all turn out the same, if you follow the same protocol. Copies.You can waffle on all you want. Thinking something is more clever than someone you don't know a thing about makes a person look opinionated, egotistical and suffering from a major lack of common sense. I've been a psych reader for over 30 years, and your type stands out immediately, but will rarely admit it. And every reply shows this more.

I'm going to put this into terms any teenager would understand, which means you have a chance. I said, I have talked with many chefs from many restaurants in 3 states. Some were from Italy. Some have relatives from Italy who owned restaurants. Talking with these people means......................they have told me what they use to make their pizzas, which is sometimes in bags (flour usually comes in bags) in tins, cans, whatever you understand, imported. Some use fresh ingredients, which does help with flavor. Locally grown, which yes, matches what grows in Italy. You simply do not understand a basic concept. You know nothing about what I and others know, as far as knowledge. You assume, many times, what I'm saying is one thing when it's another. Again, so maybe this time you will understand, but I doubt it. I'm NOT saying any one pizza is the best worldwide. Many people have voted for the top pizzas worldwide, and if a large percentage votes for a particular pizza, does that make them right? Majority rules? When you get a lot of pizza afficionados together to vote, and they vote for the top, it does mean they have had enough experience trying many pies, to make an educated opinion of these matters. A decent copy? That statement means nothing. What do you think, that the original pizza made is the only one that's like it or that copies are the same? Also, a person can take a recipe and use the same ingredients and make "copies" that are exactly the same as the original. Or do all copies taste different??? My Godfather's mom came directly from Sicily, and made, to this day, the best sauce I've ever had. Homemade, but it did have canned tomatoes. She was known city wide as having this sauce for many years, and everyone related came to their house for Saint Josephs Day to eat, with the sauce. I have tried, using the same exact ingredients, to copy this sauce. I came close, but not all the way. I have Italian relatives, have eaten at their homes many times, authentic Italian food, In Brooklyn (where parents are from), and in NYC. Do you think they don't know how to make authentic Italian? Many were from Italy, and the relatives were passed down the recipes. I know what true Italian cooking is, probably a lot more than you'll ever know, unless you are Italian with the same kind of background. Try not to assume what I know. You will be way off base. I don't buy things because of marketing but by word of mouth and experience. I'm not a watcher of commercials nor a buyer from same. You wanted a few links, I gave them to you. You can look things up also, and if you dispute everything, that shows more narc tendencies where you're always right. Trust me, you aren't here.

Actually, again, I do have a clue.It's you who are closed minded and sticking with your opinions because you visited Italy. Instant expert it seems. Your statements are definitely teen minded, as you think you actually know me, or my friends, and what they have done. Again, I did not say New York style was the best. I said, again, it is among the top pizzas worldwide. This is a fact, and if you disagree, you either haven't been there, or your taste buds are clouded by either smoking or hot sauce. Again, for the last time to a definite narcissist, and your replying shows that even more, you do NOT know anything about me nor any of my friends and what they have experienced or what we (they) know. Your assumptions shows a lack of plain common sense, and your opinions mean just that. Taking a "look" at the top restaurant isn't the same as going there and trying the pizza is it? Every reply shows you to be what I explained earlier, and one that goes mainly by your experiences and not of thousands of others. By the way, my friends did have pizza is a few places in Naples, and again, they said they were good, comparable to the best in NYC, which millions agree, are as good as any worldwide. ............................................https://robbreport.com/food-drink/dining/2023-best-pizza-1234897166/And again, for the last time, the owners I have talked with , do use the same ingredients, exported and domestic, that they used in Italy. I saw some of these, imported from Italy, imported from New York, from Italy, and they, the chefs in some of these restaurants, or their relatives, are FROM Italy, which makes them knowledgeable, much more than yourself, on what goes into the pizza they create. Lastly, research more, talk less. It helps with others opinions on you. Since you obviously don't know how to google....................https://www.enjoytravel.com/en/travel-news/food-and-drink/worlds-best-pizza

I don't have to prove myself to a person that thinks they are right, in a narcissistic attitude, which has no cure. You have no clue to whom you are replying to, nor how much I do know . All you are making is, again, your own opinion. Having pizza in Italy, like so many of my friends, who's opinions I agree with because I actually know they are intelligent and have sampled pizza from both places, doesn't make you an expert on said topic. Only an opinionated one. If you think I think any one place is the best, you're wrong.I said most of the best pizza comes from the New York area, and this is true. I didn't say any other places worldwide aren't comparable. can you not understand this? I also do not need to provide proof on what ingredients anyone uses. I know many pizza owners in New York, New Jersey and Texas, all of whom use much of the same products, and some the same suppliers. Some of these owners came from Italy, and yes, I do,and did, have conversations with them, and see what they are using, and they have said they use a lot of the same product they used back in Italy. This is them speaking, showing me, not you thinking you actually know someone from a few typed words here, which isn't too bright in any event. You keep on posting like this, and it shows your narcissistic tendencies, of which again, there is no cure. You thinking you know more than anyone, especially me, is wrong. Your opinions are just that. If you have time other than wasting here, you can look it up yourself polls on what pizzas are regarded as the best. If a restaurant has great ambience, decor and excellent service, that doesn't get them to the top of the list. It still takes the pizza's taste, or are you too dense to understand this too? The only thing you have done and I haven't is tried pizza in Italy. That again, means nothing, as you aren't an expert on pizza just because you had a few. I've had pizza in hundreds of places over 67 years. That gives me some knowledge on quality, and it just happens to mirror what the friends I have that visited Italy have said. They are as good as the ones in the NYC area, not any better. Again, I will visit Italy someday, and sample the pizza, and make my own opinion about them, an opinion that means little, like yours, to anyone besides my own tastes. I don't make things up. Wake up and stop shoveling your BS. No one is agreeing and if you actually did know me, you wouldn't comment at all, because one type of person I've never gotten along with are arrogant, know it all narcissists, who have no place in society, and always think they are right, even when they are proven wrong over and over. This is pizza, and none are the best. People who are connoisseurs of pizza might think one is the best, while another with as much experience might say another is. Who's right? That's your answer, if again, you can comprehend. Some, by voting, are sitting at the top. There are reasons for this. Can you understand what these reasons are? Lastly, the word retarded is one used by preteens and teens to insult someone they think isn't too bright. Adults do not use that word because it is disrespectful and childish. That alone shows you're either not that old, or not too bright.

I've had steak from Texas, Japan , Australia, Argentina , Brazil and a few other places, and they're all great. Hard to decide. Enormous helpings is a big reason so many in the US are above average sized. Buffets are not a good thing for those without self control.

Actually, America, being the melting pot of the world, has perfected many dishes and has world class chefs, to go along with Italy, Japan, Spain and France. Barbecue from Texas is world known as the absolute best. Pizza, like mentioned, is a good as anywhere on earth. Any dish that's served most anywhere can be copied by these chefs, and many not well known cooks in America. Steak in Texas is as good as anywhere, the meat being top rated, along with Japan, Brazil and Australia. You have to live there a number of years and get out to eat a lot to sample the cuisine there. America, again, is a conglomeration of all countries and cultures, and anyone should look at it as such, and not a specific country that's somehow limited. So many prejudices against America, and whoever is against it, doesn't realize that their nationality , no matter where they come from, is represented by thousands there.

Actually, everything I wrote is right. You're opinions are what's off.Taste actually reflects quality, or do you go by appearance? People buying, and commenting, on the pizzas they have is what makes up a poll. Are all wrong, all right, or it's still individual preference? Standards are set on what makes something good, and that's what people go by. When a New York pizza made by Italians, comes tied for first, they have something going there. A chef can move from Italy and make the same pizza he did back home. Or a recipe can be handed down and duplicated. Saying everything I said is wrong shows a closed mind, and one that goes by his own opinion. How else can anything be judged besides others voting? Look things up before you post. You can research what others say very easily these days.................All this “best in the world” is what is nonsense........... Your words, along with you in an earlier post saying Italy pizza, from Italy, is the best because you've had both Italy and New York style. I originally said that New York and New Jersey pizzas are among the best, right at the top every year, and that's true, and it's not just my thinking but millions of others, some who also have never been to Italy. When I go to Italy and try a few, then I'll come back and most likely say, they were as good as the ones I had back home.

Again you go on thinking your taste buds are equivalent, or better yet, better than anyone else's . Just because you visited Italy doesn't mean they're pizzas are any better than the ones made by Italian chefs in the NYC area. Where do you think the recipes came from? People can use ingredients in New York or New Jersey that they use in Italy and get the same results. You once quoted that ingredients in Italy are somehow better. Nonsense. Try to copy Italian pizza/ Where did pizza originate? Italy, so yes, people copy recipes for all food worldwide, and get the same results if they are skilled and use the same ingredients. Respected polls? Since when are some polls more respected than others? What's the proof they are? Americans prefer NY style over any others. That's been a given all of my life, and I was there 62 years. Just one poll for you but you'll never believe it because you were in Italy and you think they are better there. I've looked at polls for many years, and there are pizzas in a few countries that are in the top 10. If you have the time, you can research instead of being biased towards your own taste buds. I've had pizza in countless places, as have friends, and they all agree. NYC and NJ can compare to Italy. When I visit Italy, I'm sure I will have a good pizza or two. Will they be any better than what I've already had? Doubtful. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/24/top-10-cities-with-the-best-pizzerias-worldwide-.html

Hawaiian originated in Canada. I haven't yet been to Italy, but some of my friends have said the pizza there compares to the best in the New York, New Jersey area, which is noted to have the best places. The top 2 are in NYC and Naples Italy. I lived in the New York area for 30 years, and had hundreds of pizzas from all over that area, and some are top shelf. I have had a few pizzas here but none compare to anything back home. One was at Leo's in Sisaket and another Hong Kong Garden, Sisaket also. I have a few friends from back home that have said there are a few, some mentioned here, that are pretty good. You have to use mozzarella to have a real style pizza, and of course the sauce makes it. Hawaiian, along with other toppings, are okay, but still nothing compares to a sausage, mushroom, pepperoni or onion pie from back home, as far as I've tasted. So far.

Had Thanksgiving in Texas with my daughters this year. Great dinner. I, my daughter there, and my grand daughter all cooked. Back here today it will be chicken and Rice A Roni with myself and daughter.

Judging by my screen name, a name from childhood that just sounded funny, doesn't mean anything. Being an Ozzy fan, but not an idol worshiper, your name means the same to me. Just a name, personal reasons. I've known idiots from many nationalities, but still can't judge, because that isn't fair unless you know a majority of a population, meaning over 75%, and even then.

Living in America for 62 years, I came across all nationalities, and then here also. I never noticed any race, creed or nationality that stood out as being more arrogant, smelly or obstinate than any other. Certain individuals yes, but you can't judge any nationality or creed by the actions of a few, mainly because no one has access to any one nationality more besides their own besides Americans, and I don't judge. Racism or hatred towards any one type is never a good thing, and is one reason there are wars and fights. No one is any better than any other, from the kings and presidents, billionaires down to the homeless or those in dire poverty. There are good people and bad people all over, and the one's doing the most harm seem always to be the ones with the most.

What you see on Youtube is what others post, and is but a fraction of a percent of what goes on daily worldwide. When I was in my 50's, I could still run like a fast teenager, was as strong as most on earth, and jump fences as well. Now at 67, of course it's not near the same, but not the point I was making. All police forces have requirements to get onto the force, but they back off after hiring, just like most actors and actresses auditioning for movies, and go back to their normal ways of living. What you see on TV is not what you see later. People get injured at all ages. It just takes longer to heal in later years.

I'm sure you're old enough to understand there are many men over the age of 50 that can handle themselves, and others, that age has little to do with it. With age comes experience, and years of training, for some. And handling someone that's obviously very out of shape is very easy, using his weight (not muscle), against him.

The problem isn't in this weirdo posting such things. Freedom of speech. The problem is that he has so many clueless,and or, narcissistic (like himself) followers that listen to such garbage. If women were a bit smarter, and less greedy, about men, there wouldn't be so many used women, and the babies that are made that no one, especially the sperm donors, will take responsibility for. Its very easy for a young woman to listen to others that preach the various ways of "men" who use women for sex, especially here, but of course everywhere, and take their advice on taking their time with men, and not giving themselves away so easily, because up to 90% of these <men" will never stick around for that birth, and in fact, for even a few months after the sex is given. This country is very lax on child support, and the boys know this. They will not be held responsible for babies made, for if they were to garnish wages and impose jail time for those who did not pay, the birthrate would plummet, and children would have a much better chance of having more than grandma's to take care of them. as is the case here more than any other country. In a country world known for many scammers, this also should be a red flag to women who are looking for a serious partner. Years before I even moved here, I knew this country as a place where lying is considered okay, where men are looked at as walking ATM's, that many women will sleep with anything that will pay, and it never changes, no matter how many generations go by. This Tee encouraging people to cheat on and manipulate their partners for money , is in effect the musings of a scumbag, and knowing this, no woman worth her self respect would go near this loser. The quicker more women would learn the ways of these kinds of narcissistic filth, the closer they would come to having a decent partner that actually looks at her as a partner and not a conquest for his immature immorality. The only ones that would disagree are of the same cloth, and are a bane on society and family.

I have been here for only 6 years and I've seen many locals speaking very good English, including my girlfriend, friend's wives and especially the man I work part time for, an English school owner. Throughout those years, I have been to places where others have spoken to me, hearing me talk beforehand in English, and I've had conversations with them, and they spoke very well. Many have the desire to learn it, and it can help then in jobs involving tourism, banks and other businesses that deal with foreigners. Many others don't care at all about learning a new language, which happens back in America also. English is a universal language, and it serves well in many facets of life. It's just that some aren't interested in furthering their education, at least as far as another language is concerned. They don't see it as potential.