James105

Even when they are eventually allowed to open they will be operating under the puritanical sword of Damocles waiting for it to fall. I cannot imagine how stressful life is and will continue to be for those who own businesses in that sector with no income for the last 7 months and the future threat of imminent closure with the click of a government finger that openly states it does not want those types of businesses to continue.

Wales/Scotland have both mask mandates and vaccine passports. England has neither. I'm not convinced either policy makes the slightest difference as the rates per 100K demonstrate. The UK tests way more than any other country as well so probably better to compare hospital admissions and on that basis they are doing about average in Europe. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

What's a covid free zone and how does someone create one? Is this even scientifically possible or does this mean the same as "quarantine-free" arrival for tourists where there is still quarantine but just not as much as before. Obviously this suggests vaccinations are required which I am sure restaurants will happily implement if they can be allowed to sell alcohol again, but what does the other text say - anyone know?

I wonder how many tourists that test negative on departure from their home country, have been double vaccinated and tested on arrival would end up in hospital and cannot pay for their treatment (probably about zero) vs how many would choose an alternative holiday destination that does not specify this as a requirement (probably tens of thousands). If Thailand was my 'business' and I looked at the risk/reward of requiring insurance I think I would absorb the cost in the highly unlikely event that someone needed and could not pay for hospital treatment rather than lose out on all that tourist money to competitor countries that do not require it.

Insurance is about risk. There is practically zero risk that someone will need hospital treatment specifically for covid if they: 1. Tested negative for covid on departure. 2. Are fully vaccinated 3. Are younger than 60 years old. The price should reflect the risk. I doubt the average hospital bill for covid even comes to 100,000 baht so this is a rip off. I paid 800 baht for covid insurance that lasts a year back in April which was probably the right amount at the time before vaccines were available here - but this is only available for those already resident in Thailand for more than 6 months so probably not suitable for the OP.

Think the words "up to" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here. The numbers of infections in a highly vaccinated country like the UK do not seem to back up this claim.

I assumed 'contacted' in this case means a secure hotel (prison) that you are not allowed to leave where security personnel dressed in hazmat suits can come and collect and take you away should you get a positive test, or if someone sat near you on the plane happens to test positive. I don't think 'where you can be contacted' means 'contactable' in the normal sense of the word here, it has a far more sinister meaning.

I think the title of this post should be "CCSA are coming up with a detailed plan to keep requiring tourists to quarantine whilst they await the result of the test they will need to carry out on arrival, whilst forcing them to buy insurance they do not need, in a country that will not be reopening anytime soon" to more accurately reflect what the detailed plans are likely to be.

Non-Quarantine = Get off plane, go wherever I want. Quarantine = Get off plane, forced into mandatory quarantine hotel, not allowed to leave until test is negative. It is not quarantine free access unless they have dropped the test on arrival requirement. It is possible I missed this announcement. Have they dropped this?

The UK tests more than any other country so of course picks up more cases. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

Silly sausages. The only way they will get tourists back is by allowing fully vaccinated people in without needing to fill out loads of forms/insurance etc and letting them start their holiday the minute they land. Imprisoning them for 24 hours whilst awaiting the results of a test that is not 100% reliable sounds like a very stressful way to start a holiday.

In other news King Canute is heading down to the sea to try to stop the tide coming in...

Why don't you just pretend the lockdown is still happening when/if it happens and stay indoors if you are scared?

The way I read this it seems that they are going to allow perfectly safe venues (such as an outdoor restaurant) to sell alcohol at the same time as the indoor nightclubs. If their intention is to increase covid cases and blame it on alcohol with the intention of permanently banning it then this would be one way to go about it I suppose.

"MorChana to have face recognition integrated" ... in a country that mandates face masks everywhere. Clowns.

He nearly died of covid because he is morbidly obese (or was at the time).

Indeed, and some of those 7 countries that remain on the red list are in better positions than Thailand. Columbia for example, with a population of 50m has a mere 1400 cases per day on average, 34% fully vaccinated and is still on the red list. Thailand with circa 10,000 cases a day with 35% fully vaccinated is off the red list. I think science and logic was abandoned in favour of plucking decisions out of a hat some time ago when it comes to anything related to covid, so maybe he should be praised for getting Thailand randomly picked out of a hat to come off the red list.

Do Russia and China both allow visitors to enter those countries without quarantine if they have "western" vaccines then?

Ok. So let's try it this way. Does the vaccine protect you? Yes - Then stop worrying about other people taking it. You and others that took it are safe. No - Then stop forcing people to take something that you don't believe works.

Why? To achieve what? Is there any indication the people here are as hesitant as the French to get vaccinated? Did the PM here publicly trash one of the vaccines available which of course put people off taking it and other vaccines for political reasons? I can't help but feel the vaccines I received are not effective as they didn't give me a desire to control what other people choose to put into their bodies and demand proof that they have done so in the same way that it has to others.

I'd wait until Monday as it should be clarified then, but it seems that a "vaccine certificate" is all that is required for other non-EU or USA countries so I do not see why Thailand would be a "special case" and something different would be required.

If they used the same metrics to decide cause of death as they used for Covid (e.g dying within 28 days of a positive test for having a cold), then that would be potentially millions wouldn't it?

I presume someone in the Thai medical association is being paid/bribed by the tobacco companies and their lobbyists. The companies who sell highly addictive cigarettes would much prefer those that smoked did not have legal access to a much safer alternative that has helped millions around the world give up the significantly more lethal tobacco based cigarettes.

In that case based on what you said here I presume you cannot find it.

The UK does not recognise vaccines administered in countries outside of the EU/USA, other than maybe Japan or Singapore, even if they are the same Pfizer vaccines administered in the UK. I of course have a certificate and the app from here, but it's useless in the UK and there is no way to get this added to the NHS app. This will apply of course to anyone that travels to the UK that has been vaccinated in a country other than EU/USA. So it actually discriminates against quite a lot of people who actually have been vaccinated. Like I say, it's a poorly thought out policy that has been implemented without proper scrutiny that will discriminate against people who have had the vaccines as well as those who have not. Anyone of reasonable intelligence would recognise this and be against it.