James105

Dreaming stuff up? Think you need to take your head out of the sand. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/elon-musk-starmer-x-twitter-banned-uk-b2593108.html "Ofcom could soon receive new powers to ban social media platforms or even take legal action against tech bosses" So the UK could soon be amongst countries with similar minded governments such as these listed in the linked article. "It is currently blocked in China, Russia, North Korea, Turkmenistan, Myanmar, Iran, and Pakistan"

Elon Musk is not letting Keir Starmer spout his nonsense unchallenged. Venezuela are blocking Twitter as the government there do not like to be criticised. Wonder how long it is before the UK follows suit?

If I may remind you of the original topic which is "Labour Councillor Ricky Jones Arrested on Suspicion of "encouraging murder" at Protest which has nothing whatsover to do with nazi salutes. I was responding to your whataboutary so it is a bit rich to then claim mine is whataboutary isn't it?

Yes, terrible. I can see two of them doing that in the linked article, and I would say this is without question as bad as those chanting "from the river to the sea" in the anti-jew hate marches in London every Saturday. Whatever punishment you deem is appropriate for these 2 nazi saluting individuals I would agree is equally appropriate for the thousands making those genocidal chants on the hate marches every week. What punishment should they face do you think?

"Nazi sympathisers". If you read the linked article you would see that the only "evidence" that backs this up is "In footage shared to Twitter/ X, one man at a protest in Sunderland on Friday could be heard being complimented on his “awesome” and “pure British” tattoos, one of which was a swastika." Again. One man. Is this the standard now for demonising entire communities of people? Should people be applying this same standard to the muslim community or do you think that would be problematic?

Thats the same photo of the same man doing the rounds over and over again to justify not talking about the underlying causes of the discontentment. One man. Which you are then using to tar everyone with the same brush. I presume you would have different standards for those that would show photos of grooming gang members to denigrate the entire muslim community so maybe try holding yourself up to those same standards.

Violence begets violence. If the police are starting the violence then they are the cause of the violence. It matters not "how" injured he is. If the police are inciting the violence then they need to be arrested and put in front of the same judges everyone else is.

Nope. This is the racist Labour MP I was referring to: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lauren-edwards-labour-mp-tweets-estonians-b2593308.html

They have got another one. This man made a comment on facebook in an online chat with a family member so is now going to spend 12 weeks in jail. "A District Judge sitting at Carlisle’s Rickergate court jailed 31-year-old Billy Thompson after hearing that his Facebook message responded to news of a city centre dispersal order to prevent disorder with the words “Filthy ****ards.” The comment was accompanied by emojis showing an ethnic minority person and a gun." https://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/24506682.maryport-man-jailed-facebook-post-police-bid-stop-disorder/

So whats your view on what should happen to the Labour MP with a fouler, more racist mouth than Tommy Robinson as that is what I was replying to?

The example I used was the 2 gay fellas on their way back from a bingo hall. They shouted at the police, which I could be wrong but don't think this is a crime. They would also have a good case for police brutality as the dog handler set his dog on one of the first guy when it appeared he was complying with the police request to move back and he had his back turned when the handler moved his dog to allow it to attack him.

I don't even think Tommy Robinson has said anything this bad. He should have been a leftist so he can say what he wants without any of the consequences.

You are missing a few points from this. Let's take the example of the 2 gay men on their way back from the Bingo. When arrested they were remanded in custody without bail. This gives them 2 choices. Plead guilty and hope for a suspended sentence so they can go home - no doubt their lawyer would have suggested this as who goes to jail for shouting at the police during a protest (hint: nobody). If they had pleaded not guilty they would not get to go home and would be in jail until their trial. It's a very devious process. So no, it is not the same for everyone. The thugs from Manchester are not in custody - they are walking the streets. There is no urgent need to plead guilty to get to go home as they were granted bail - something that was denied to the 2 gay fellas on their way back from Bingo.

You are probably too far down the rabbit hole with the Keir Starmer love-in stuff you posted, but here is a piece from the Telegraph that depicts accurately how Keir Starmer reacted to the BLM riots. It's a paywall link but the screenshot covers the salient points. Keir Starmer by peddling misinformation and labelling the protesters as "far right" (gay bingo attendees are not "far right" they are probably Labour voters) and refusing to consider that in the wake of 3 little girls being murdered by a 2nd generation immigrant people would be angry, he actually incited more violence. If he had been more conciliatory with his words it would no doubt have had a different outcome. Labour have never governed in a time of widespread social media and are not used to the fact they cannot control the narrative and the truth can still be posted (for now) on social media, which is probably why they are looking for any excuse to take that away. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/08/08/keir-starmer-elon-musk-two-tier-far-right-riots/

With literally zero self awareness the "National Black Police association" states there is no evidence that 2 tier policing exists, despite there being no National White Police association.

That is true, but this was after he appeared to be complying with the police request to move back, and as he had his back turned the dog handler set his dog on him. Would that have happened if the police did not use such unreasonable force? I expect they were told to plead guilty by their lawyer as it would lead to a less severe punishment, so I wouldn't read too much into their plea.

I actually missed your response and yes you did. I'm not convinced that members of the public should be held to a higher standard than the media though as it is very common for the media to release incorrect headlines that are later corrected with an apology as facts become known and do not face arrest for this. It seems to me after just 4 weeks of a Labour government the UK is heading down a very dark path. There was an Englishman who wrote a very famous book that covered a lot of this kind of thing.

I see. Thank you for the link, but since I have eyes and ears it does tend to raise a few questions, and it seems the "far right" narrative crumbles under the most basic scrutiny. These are 2 gay fellas on their way back from Bingo. What's the thinking now on the left, that the 100 planned riots were scuppered as the bingo halls had a special promotion that evening which meant no-one was available? Do MI5 need to start planting secret agents into bingo halls? So anyway, another question, if I may lean on your such obvious legal expertise for a moment. These guys got over 2 years imprisonment for shouting at police officers. How many years imprisonment (based on this bar being set) should the Labour councillor get for "encouraging murder"?

Like this one?

This man was jailed for 26 months for "shouting and gesticulating" at the police. No mention of any racial slurs, property damage or violence. So, let's see what happens to the Labour councillor who was calling for white people to have their throats slit. Based on what this man got for merely shouting, how many years do you think the Labour councillor should get?

What grievance, just (as per usual) laying out the facts. His offence is inciting racial hatred which carries up to 7 years imprisonment. Lets see if he faces the "full force of the law" as promised by Keir Starmer.

Suspended from his job is not "facing the full force of the law" is it now? White people do not get the "suspended from job on full pay option" do they? If there is no 2 tier policing he will be remanded in custody awaiting his turn in front of the judge, and then he will go to jail for a period of time. If there is 2 tier policing then that will not happen. This example should put the "2 tier" policing argument to bed one way or the other I should think.

He has just been suspended. Why is he not facing the "full force of the law"? The Prime Minister told the UK there is no 2 tier policing. He should be jailed for this kind of incitement shouldn't he? A mere suspension from their job is not what the white faced rioters are facing, they are going to jail.

What is your opinion of this online lie that incited muslim thugs to go on the rampage (screenshot included as I am surprised he hasn't deleted it). He works for an organisation called Hope not hate. This misinformation led to someone being hospitalised by the muslim thugs he incited.

Well done. They have found a video from 10 years ago. Here is one more recently (yesterday in fact) of a Labour councillor inciting violence by calling for white people to have their throats slit. Thankfully I have been reliably informed by the Prime Minister that we do not have 2 tier policing in the UK so it shouldn't be long before he is remanded in custody and facing a judge before being given an extremely harsh sentence for the incitement of violence.