James105

Ok good. Now we just need Thailand to remove "every single country in the world" from its own red list so that those double jabbed, negative tested people who want to visit the UK can do so without needing to quarantine when returning.

Lockdown imposed since 20th July? Did I just imagine the 3 months prior to that where lockdowns didn't work? Did the Ministry of Freedom change the previous lockdown so that bars were indeed open from Apr to July and I missed the announcement that revised this bit of history?

I'm struggling to understand the scientific reasoning behind even a single days quarantine for a double vaccinated + negative tested person entering a country that has a lot of corona already. I maybe could be persuaded that the minuscule threat is big enough to be extra careful in a country that has zero corona (if any such country still exists), but not in one recording over 10,000 cases a day.

If you got your vaccine here your certificate or some paperwork should have a 13 digit number on it starting with 600. That’s the one you need to use with the app for the ID number. Not sure what people need to do if they got their vaccine overseas though.

Since we are not yet at the stage where people have to wear armbands to signify their vaccine status, how do you plan to identify those that are vaxxed vs unvaxxed so you can avoid them like the plague? Are you planning to carry out a health survey with everyone you encounter, such as shop workers, delivery drivers, social events etc? Can you trust restaurants to enforce the rule if implemented and will you personally check on other diners to see if they have been vaxxed? People who say they are going to avoid the unvaxxed like the plague are effectively saying that they do not trust the vaccine, yet are demanding others to take something they clearly do not trust themselves.

They really need to change their messaging then as they are about to cause even more mental distress to people than they already have done. I am aware of quite a few bar owners advertising for staff on social media as they believe they are going to be allowed to reopen and sell alcohol without any curfew or other restrictions in place from 1st Oct. Maybe it is wishful thinking on the part of these bar owners, but to use language such as 'reopen' has led many to believe that is exactly what will be happening. People are going to break down (if they have not already) with the mental torture of being teased with hope and having it taken away over and over again.

I'm curious, did you post this to encourage or discourage someone from getting the vaccine? If your goal is to encourage then I would suggest a different approach as sanctimoniousness only further entrenches peoples views.

It’s £ and not $. Most was spent on testing. It has not all been spent (yet). None of it was spent on paying people to isolate. https://fullfact.org/online/37bn-test-trace-spending/

It's really expensive. The UK blew £37bn on test, track and trace and even with that amount of cash it is widely viewed as a waste of money that did nothing much to change the outcomes (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-trace-idUSKBN2B2009). Maybe the UK can blow that kind of money without too many consequences, but over here I think that money (if they had it spare) could be better used to help those who have lost all of their income due to the lockdowns, or used to acquire hospital beds, ICUs etc.

Bit harsh without knowing the motivation for the crime as there could well be starving kids involved. Desperate people do desperate things etc. Sad story all round really, guy in coma, only 5000 in his bank account, nurse for whatever reason steals some of it (and it really wasn’t much - barely pocket money to a westerner) and at the very least has lost her job and now faces criminal charges.

Anyone else looking forward to entering all their personal data into yet another app to prove their vaccination status from October? What could possibly go wrong...

You are one of the people that gets triggered when I make a post. I was not expecting you to understand and you have just confirmed my already very low expectations of you here. Those that are not triggered would have connected the dots and assumed I missed a word here (this is what you are complaining about by the way - a missing word), if not from the question I was actually asking about, but from the link I posted afterwards from the CDC that very clearly stated those vaccinated are less likely to transmit the virus.

What is it with you people? All I was asking is how many people dying/hospitalised in Phuket were vaccinated vs unvaccinated as (and read this part slowly and carefully) "fully vaccinated people cannot completely prevent transmission or infection" so it is expected that people will still spread and catch the virus.

Not really, but maybe if I had been more explicit and said vaccines cannot "completely" prevent transmission it would have avoided a number of arguments ???? My original point was just asking if anyone knew how many people in Phuket in hospital or dying were vaccinated vs unvaccinated as I would quite like to know and was already answered.

Only in the same way that a lock can "prevent" a determined burglar from entering your home, which in normal English means that a lock cannot "prevent" a burglar from entering your home.

No, it means this: A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others

Your article agrees that the vaccine does not prevent transmission. I think you are confused about what "less infectious" means.

Seriously? A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus

We are 18 months into the pandemic and this still comes as a surprise to you? Try the CDC brief for size and see if this one works for you, if not there are many, many others. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

Spreading should be expected though as none of the vaccines can prevent this. The crucial question is it vaccinated or unvaccinated people dying and/or in hospital there? Do we know?

Awesome, so my 25 person cuddle parties (soft drink only of course) are still legal then. Glad to be doing my bit to stop the spread of covid by having these instead of opening a bottle of wine with the girlfriend, which of course is dangerous and illegal.

I think at this stage we can all be grateful that we live in a country with some of the best app developers in the world seeing as we will have another app on our phones to navigate. It's just a bit unfortunate that these high quality app developers are not legally allowed to work in Thailand as they are not Thai so will sadly not be involved in the creation of it.

Crikey, the government must really hate restaurants and restaurant owners/staff here to want them to fail so much. What's the betting they still don't allow alcohol with a meal even after the all the hoops the restaurant/customer has to jump through after this.

I find it fascinating that someone who inhales toxic poison by choice on a daily basis is lecturing other people on their health choices. I guess it is quite rare for you to be on soapbox lecturing others about health so you just want to give it a go and see what it feels like? Ps - I can smell peoples smoke even wearing a facemask outdoors (which means I am also inhaling it) so let's not pretend your poor health choices do not affect others.

You would be less scared of covid if you stopped smoking and then you wouldn’t need to worry so much about other peoples medical choices that do not have anything to do with you.