Excel

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO they have the soil and climate. What they don't have is freedom from smoke taint, and modern technology.

Every Thai wine I have tasted has been out of balance, it seems to me they can't complete fermentation of the sugars.

Never forget who owns the Thai vineyards. Possibly the most well known is Monsoon Valley, owned by the Red Bull heir Chalerm Yoovidhya, so don't blame me if you notice some similarities between their wines and their energy drinks. ???? 

26 minutes ago, plus7 said:

Excel, yes, maybe I have limited horizon, as I don't have relations with Thai women or friendship with Thai men.

That's why I try to find the answer why ppl in this topic have different and sometimes opposite opinion.

If you don't like Bangkok example, insert other city that you like, I hope you didn't expect that I will browse and compare job offers advertising.

So if you do not have relationships with Thai women then you certainly would not know as to whether they do ( Thais ), or do not, lack gratitude in a relationship as simply you have no knowledge of such and hence can not possibly answer the question one way or the other.

29 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

So again I shall ask where did I say the Thai population ?? or do you have reading difficulties ?

Just now, plus7 said:

Guys,

To those of you say about Thai population as "shiftless, rarely sobber, ugly, lazy" .. maybe it is just environment ?

I mean, could you please specify the area where you live ? Maybe all clever and sobber workaholikers moved to Bangkok ?

Maybe the area around you is somewhat recreational that doesn't attract intelligent workforce ?

Who on this thread has said the Thai population are shiftless etc etc ? There are one or two who have stated that many Thai males fit that category but not in the same words.  That is why Thai women are portrayed in the main as the workers, but to state the "Thai population"  is somewhat of a major lateral imagination shift. Also you are aware that there are areas other than Bangkok that provide employment opportunities do you or is it the case you just live there so only have a limited horizon ?

Just now, hotandsticky said:

 

 

If my missus' family had relied on the men (1 father, 4 brothers) it would have been a complete disaster. The men were rarely sober enough to be lazy!!

 

5 of the 6 daughters brought home the bacon, 4 from the entertainment industry.

And that is so often the case.

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

@Lacessit

 

I have some comments I'd like to share about the 40-50 year old masseuses you spoke of earlier.

 

Many of them have or have had exposure to the sex industry, i.e., the occasion 'happy ending'. Some may have been former prostitutes who migrated into massage work as they got older. A large percentage of Thai men would view massage work as a highly undesirable occupation for their wife; the hanky-panky hazard is too high, and they'd endure endless ribbing from their buddies. So the idea that these women would "prefer" a foreign guy is a little bit ludicrous. The truth is that many of those women couldn't find a Thai guy to marry them for all the tea in China.

 

Of course a single 40-50 y/o woman without passive income (land, rental property, major savings) is probably going to be focused on financial security in her senior years, and will likely assume that most foreigners would have more income than the average farmer, day laborer, retiree. These older women are also past their child bearing years so many physical attraction or paternal considerations are less important. In my opinion, the interest level of a 40/50 year old woman in an older foreign man is pretty much based entirely on financial security rather than companionship and compatibility. Just consider the energy that needs to be expended to cross a language barrier at that age. I wouldn't put that much stock in casual overtures you might hear in a massage parlor setting. Many of these older women making overtures to foreign men are doing so for their idle amusement (often in front of other women), and if they ever happened to snag someone's interest, they wouldn't have the foggiest idea about how to be a foreign guy's wife.

 

But where my skepticism really kicks into overdrive is when I hear guys trying to claim that younger Thai woman in the 25-45 y/o range genuinely prefer older foreign men because they're more considerate, caring, dependable, and respectful husbands and fathers. When I hear foreign guys making these sweeping generalizations that Thai men are all lazy, alcoholics, yaa baa addicts and philanderers who abandon their wives at the drop of a hat, I really have to roll my eyes. You read that stereotype constantly on this forum, and in my opinion there's little truth to it. It's little more than a script that bar-girls are trained to deliver in order to gain sympathy and elicit a 'white knight' reaction from older foreign men. That's how the myth of the Thai male's undesirability as a mate has worked its way into the foreign male's psyche. The truth is that prior marriages of Thai women end just as often due to the misbehavior of the woman, i.e., gambling, incurring debts without the knowledge of the husband, untrustworthy behavior, infidelity, argumentativeness, laziness, or unrealistic demands about money, etc.

That's the biggest load of BS so far today. Thai men are in the main dishonest and highly immoral and totally untrustworthy which is some of the reasons many Thai women despise them. Whilst it is their genetic misfortune a further reason is that many of them look pig ugly  which deters many a good looking women.  And finally the only reason Thai men sometimes do not like to partner with a Thai massage lady is that they lose face when their pal turns up the next day and explains that he had an excellent massage and loads of extras, of course from the lady that is fact the blokes partner.

7 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Shiraz's dominate my cellar, and I drink plenty of Australian wines, Chilean wines, and French wines.  My comment was directed at the fact that one needs to go and tour wineries and do some tastings in order to find a wine which is made local that meets their needs and tastes. My wine cellar has many different wineries from around the world which can be bought here.  What I find odd is that wines from the US are priced higher than a French Bordeaux here, and Australian wines run between 600 and 900 baht for the brands I purchase Like Peppercorn, or Zontes Footstep Chocolate Factory Shiraz whose 2017 bottling is among the top 4% of wines in the world. Anything from the Mclaren Vale in Australia is decent wine. Two Hands Lily Garden Shiraz is also decent.

Just a technical clarification please.  To my knowledge no condo in Thailand has a cellar, so as you are discussing the contents of your wine cellar I assume you mean your house in the US ? Or do you have  temp/humidity controlled storage room for your wines in your condo which is technically not a wine cellar ?  A previous house of mine in BKK very many years ago  had one of those, fitted by a previous owner which frankly was a waste of time.

1 minute ago, actonion said:

He's a foreigner  he's in Thailand....  that  in my experiences makes him in the wrong...

Here we go again, the usual stupidity.

15 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

I have driven a 'cut-down' Fortuna (Vigo) for over 10 years and never a hint of an accident.

That's Excellent as it helps to improve the accident statistics

With this idea they must be spaced-out on pot

44 minutes ago, Thechook said:

Taxes are high to protect local producers and Thai wines

Protect them from what ? Allowing Thais to understand what a good wine imported from wherever really is ? rather  than the sh*te vinegar that the local Thais produce and pass off as wine ?

10 hours ago, khaowong1 said:

You must have hung around a whole different temple than me.. I never seen any money when I was a monk.  I must have been staying in the wrong temple.  

I don't hang around temples, too many lady boys pretending to be monks and too many monks pretending to be pious ????

1 minute ago, Pedrogaz said:

Too rich for me. After a life time of paying taxes I'll ignore expensive items where the costliness is caused by taxes, items such as wines. 

After a lifetime of paying an awful lot of taxes I am fortunate I can afford the odd bottle of wine

16 minutes ago, MikeN said:

That depends on who is in government at the time of asking.

Quite correct. Treason is a crime when you over throw a legally elected democratic government by force, until you re-write the constitution so it isn't any more. Allowing the shooting of a nurse helping the wounded in a Wat by 5 naval seals is a crime, until you use section 44 to absolve them of any crime, and then that isn't anymore either.

10 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Are we expected to feel sympathy for this idiot couple? If they couldn't see that enormous hole perhaps they shouldn't be allowed near a vehicle of any sort.
Plus  - The street was reportedly closed to traffic, but a tiny path ... was open to let pedestrians and small vehicles pass.
And - In fact, there was a warning sign for vehicles at the hole.

As I said myself earlier. Its a construction site, its 2 am. Bet they weren't tested for alcohol either. All this outpouring of sympathy for these complete idiots is pathetic. 

6 hours ago, NobbyClarke said:

Why not?

Good luck for her, she works hard, saves money and spends her hard earned money.

I cannot see a problem.

No doubt when this person was a Monk then that is when the money was accumulated.  Not many monks live by Buddhist teachings in Thailand. Then once set up financially for life decided to go back to the real world. The story told about how that money was earned is no doubt BS.

2 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

Never give flowers lol. First time I gave a woman here flowers they were apparently funeral flowers and extremely bad luck. The second I was asked do for what....what you do? I gave up then

Perhaps you should have bought a bouquet of roses rather than a funeral wreath. ????

1 hour ago, Iamfalang said:

"allegedly" isn't good enough here.  It means "sure" in the eyes of Thais.

And unfortunately also for some of the Thai apologists on this forum, or is it they are simply trolling ?

5 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

And hefty compensation.

What for ? driving into a big hole that was on an unfinished construction site that already had a barrier for pedestrians ? 

https://thepattayanews.com/2022/08/18/couple-on-a-motorbike-falls-into-large-construction-hole-in-pattaya-street-and-suffer-injuries/

1 minute ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

1) Only one way to go where I live.

2) No person to be informed. Other than the embassy.

3) No will. All my assets the wife can access without a lawyer.

Exactly. Nothing can be more simpler than that.

1 hour ago, chalawaan said:

We've all done it.

Whether for just an hour, or a relationship, and come away feeling scammed.

 

Speak your yourself sunshine, not all of us