JensenZ

Just like plane crashes were crucial in the process of making flying safer, travelators and escalotors will become safer after such accidents. They will be redesigned and maintenance will improve.

One thing is for sure, the amputation would have been rather shocking, but the leg might just have been stuck, and the prevaling "wisdom" in this discussion is to support the amputation. The thought of them amputating a perfectly good stuck leg is hard for people to stomach.

I had the same thoughts (and questions). The woman did seem remarkably calm for a person with a mangled lower leg. In one of the photos it looks like she turned around and asked for help because her leg was stuck. Also note that she asked for a 2nd opinion at Bumrungrad. She asked if they could reattach her leg. They apparently said they could or at least would attempt to, which suggests to me that the lower part of her leg was still in a reasonable condition. If her lower leg was mangled, they would not attempt to reattach it. My answer would be that they wouldn't have amputated her leg in New York, London, Paris or Sydney or any other city with competent rescue services and triage.

No, it's so you can hop over the grid at the end of the rail when your luggage gets caught. Don't use a cell phone so you'll be alert and ready to jump.

I made a comment that they MAY have been too quick to amputate. It didn't look like they could see the damage to the lower leg. You replied basically that I'm an obtuse (slow), idiot and I saw similar comments to other members. Get off your high horse. We're only discussing this with limited information and giving opinions. You've been in Thailand for long enough to know that triage is very primitive here. In Pattaya, when people are on the ground and injured from car and motorcycle crashes, they are often thrown in the back of pick-up trucks and taken to the local hospital. You think they made the right assessment at the airport? Maybe, maybe not. I'm leaning toward not. Yes, the damage to the lower leg is crucial in this decision, and I mentioned that before you called me a fool. If the lower leg was indeed mangled, then amputation was probably the best option as reattachment would be impossible. You might have missed the report that at Bumrungrad they said they can reattach it, which would probably indicate the lower leg was not beyond repair.

You might be more sure about if you investigate the possibilities of limb reattachment. They have successfully managed to reattach limbs since the 1960's. The amputation would provide the clean cut needed to give her more chances of successful surgery.

I was talking about pneumatic tools to prise the plates apart, not just to "open up". I have no idea if they have these tools available in Thailand and how long they would have had to wait to get them. Note we have not received any report about what they did other than turn it off and amputate her leg. Talking about slow (obtuse) - We already know why she fell. Her suitcase got trapped as the plates started to chew it up. This caused the lady to trip over her suitcase and obvioulsy put more pressue on the plates that gave way as she tried to regain her balance. Note: you're insulting a lot of people here who you don't agree with. Cut it out - there's no need for it. You can answer politely or just don't reply.

I think that point is well established, and we call it a "travelator". Does it matter what it is called?

I agree. Surely there are tools like the "Jaws of Life" hydraulic rescue tools that could have spread the plates to take the leg out whole.

Her whole body was dragged under the plate.

According to the report, they said (2nd hospital) they can reattach her leg. Apparently if the leg is cleanly severed (in this case intentially cut) there is a 77% chance of success. The condition of her lower leg will be crucial.

My wife was already paranoid about using escalators after watching a lady swallowed by one in 2015 in China: https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/07/28/china-escalator-mom-death-mall-reaction-family.cnn Now she'll probably be taking the stairs.

You live in Pattaya and you don't know any "pure restaurants" that aren't bars? I've been eating in pure restaurants in Pattaya since I arrived 18 years ago. I've never eaten a meal in a bar as I prefer pure restaurants. You could start your discovery tour in Terminal 21 and Central Mall.

What dramatic questions you ask. No problem, knock yourself out and concern yourself over the world's Generation Z population. When a guy is concerned about meeting "real ladies", it's in a relationship context. That should not be a concern of Baby Boomers 30 to 50 years older.

Few: "a small number of" is a typical definition.

If you're a baby boomer (57 - 75) or beyond, it's of no concern (or should not be) whatsover how Generation Z ladies behave.

I'm not typing about anything (I copied and pasted it - a quote), but the note by the Visa run company is NOT refering to multiple visa-free entry stamps at the airport, but at the land borders. Quote: "however people using OUT/IN method to extend their stay might be questioned after few visa exempt entries. The "OUT/IN method" they are referring to is the land border bounce. Very few people would fly out and back every 30 days. That's a bit extreme. It's a visa run company specializing on van trips to borders. This is not off-topic and is general information - nothing specifically related to Russians.

That was signed in 2005. Are you sure there have been no amendments in the past 18 years?

There didn't seem to be any problems for 2 years, so I suppose 3 years is quite possible, BUT, you need to start the whole process from the beginning for each year. The maximum extension on each Non-O visa is 1 year. That's one year total, not 15 months.

And here's the problem in a nutshell (from the link you provided): ---------------------------------------------------------------- Same old RULES: Travellers, under visa exemption scheme, arriving via an international airport will be given a 30 day visa exempt stamp, however people using OUT/IN method to extend their stay might be questioned after few visa exempt entries. There is no specific period given and there is no rule on how many visa exempt will be issued for one person. An old rule “90 days in a 180 days period” has been cancelled many years ago. As of 31st December 2016 Thailand limit visa exempt entries at land border to TWO per calendar year. The day you arrive is counted as first day. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You never know for sure.

So much messing around. Why not get an Ed visa? The best school in Pattaya (that I know of) will get you one year for 51k (including classes). It might sound expensive, but a lot better than the uncertainty of border hopping etc. At least you know you're going to get a full year, and then you can get a re-entry permit if you want to travel out of Thailand.

There's no need for scare-mongering. Getting back to back visas is not fraud. Fraud is a ciminal offense and if convicted, you'll serve time in prison, then deported. It's only fraud if you're caught using fraudulent documents to obtain a visa. How long you can stay and now many stamps/visas you can get is determined by immigration policy, which constantly changes and is enforced differently depending on which way the wind blows on any given day and which consulates/immigrant offices and border entry points you use. The worst that can happen is they refuse the visa, extension or entry.

I would bet you'll find many investement bankers and politicians with tattoos. They are easy enough to hide in a suit. As for King Charles (where have you been), he's not successful. He inherited the crown.

What are you then? A self righteous bigot? I see very successful people with tattoos, and the list is long.

There is an odd exception though. A lot of successful and famous people are heavily tattooed. Here's just a few examples, but the list is long. These people are role models and will keep the tattoo industry alive. Dwayne Johnson is currently the most highly paid actor in the world, so he's definitly no mug. thug or low-life.