JensenZ

There were a lot of different conclusions possible from all the reports I've read: 1. She had lacerations on her lower leg 2. Her leg was amputated by the travelator plates 3. Her leg was amputated by the rescue team 4. Bumrungrad said they could reattach the leg, suggesting her lower leg was still in serviceable condition. I'm no expert, but it would be difficult to believe she was being taught to walk again in most of these scenarios. If she was a candidate for a prosthetic leg, the amputation wound would take at least 6 weeks to heal. If her leg was reattached, it would take months and that would only be possible if the lower leg was still in good condition after they amputated it.

The way the story is told here it suggests that the moving steps of the travelator amputated her leg and that it was not amputated by rescuers. The story continues about her recovery and that she is learning to walk again: "mentioned that she was currently undergoing physical rehabilitation, learning to walk again with a walker". Would a person who just had a leg amputated above the knee be undergoing physical rehab in one week and learning to walk again? It was mentioned in one report that the hospital would be attempting to reattach her leg. Maybe she didn't lose her leg at all. The stories don't add up.

No, it was a very good idea. The last thing you need to do is stress out about your diet in a depressed mental state. Comfort food will help you.

They will now as the practice started after you last made a deposit and I think that was more than 2 years ago. I think 3 - 4 years ago it started.

Anyone who thinks Brisbane is boring with Melbourne on his top most exciting cities list doesn't have a clue. He hasn't even mentioned Manila as one of the ugliest cities.

Most councellors would understand that pushing a child too hard is counterproductive and will produce the opposite result. They will soon start to resent school and learning. I remember when I was under 10 years old my mother forced me to take piano lessons. I absolutely hated every moment of it. It was torture. For many years I hated Thursdays as that was the day of my lessons. I never discussed this with my mother - just suffered in silence as any obedient child would.

Sure, but the vast majority of members here are expats and paying similar range bills every month... and pay about the same or identical FT. I don't consider expats where 100 baht on an expat's bill is a problem... sorry about that, but those people can't afford to live here and should be back in their home countries. How much FT does a person pay for electric bills in the 500 - 1000 baht range.

It might also be worth noting that my FT was exactly the same as the member I replied to who indicated it's current rate, 0.9119, so we are both on the same subset of uers. The differences of subsets are probably insignificant.

It might have something to do with your connection. I've never experienced "timed out", but I type quicky and post. Maybe I beat the timer...

It might be worth noting that the FT jumped from 0.247 to 0.934 in Sep 2022.

There's nothing fishy about 5 "emerges", assuming that's 5 baht per KWh. My last 3 bills average out to 5.33 baht per KWh when including tax and surcharges, with bills averaging 572 KWh consumption. If you're already complaining about your consumption before you move in I would suggest you don't turn on the 36 BTU air con units. I have some big units in my lounge area, but I never turn them on.

Just like plane crashes were crucial in the process of making flying safer, travelators and escalotors will become safer after such accidents. They will be redesigned and maintenance will improve.

One thing is for sure, the amputation would have been rather shocking, but the leg might just have been stuck, and the prevaling "wisdom" in this discussion is to support the amputation. The thought of them amputating a perfectly good stuck leg is hard for people to stomach.

I had the same thoughts (and questions). The woman did seem remarkably calm for a person with a mangled lower leg. In one of the photos it looks like she turned around and asked for help because her leg was stuck. Also note that she asked for a 2nd opinion at Bumrungrad. She asked if they could reattach her leg. They apparently said they could or at least would attempt to, which suggests to me that the lower part of her leg was still in a reasonable condition. If her lower leg was mangled, they would not attempt to reattach it. My answer would be that they wouldn't have amputated her leg in New York, London, Paris or Sydney or any other city with competent rescue services and triage.

No, it's so you can hop over the grid at the end of the rail when your luggage gets caught. Don't use a cell phone so you'll be alert and ready to jump.

I made a comment that they MAY have been too quick to amputate. It didn't look like they could see the damage to the lower leg. You replied basically that I'm an obtuse (slow), idiot and I saw similar comments to other members. Get off your high horse. We're only discussing this with limited information and giving opinions. You've been in Thailand for long enough to know that triage is very primitive here. In Pattaya, when people are on the ground and injured from car and motorcycle crashes, they are often thrown in the back of pick-up trucks and taken to the local hospital. You think they made the right assessment at the airport? Maybe, maybe not. I'm leaning toward not. Yes, the damage to the lower leg is crucial in this decision, and I mentioned that before you called me a fool. If the lower leg was indeed mangled, then amputation was probably the best option as reattachment would be impossible. You might have missed the report that at Bumrungrad they said they can reattach it, which would probably indicate the lower leg was not beyond repair.

You might be more sure about if you investigate the possibilities of limb reattachment. They have successfully managed to reattach limbs since the 1960's. The amputation would provide the clean cut needed to give her more chances of successful surgery.

I was talking about pneumatic tools to prise the plates apart, not just to "open up". I have no idea if they have these tools available in Thailand and how long they would have had to wait to get them. Note we have not received any report about what they did other than turn it off and amputate her leg. Talking about slow (obtuse) - We already know why she fell. Her suitcase got trapped as the plates started to chew it up. This caused the lady to trip over her suitcase and obvioulsy put more pressue on the plates that gave way as she tried to regain her balance. Note: you're insulting a lot of people here who you don't agree with. Cut it out - there's no need for it. You can answer politely or just don't reply.

I think that point is well established, and we call it a "travelator". Does it matter what it is called?

I agree. Surely there are tools like the "Jaws of Life" hydraulic rescue tools that could have spread the plates to take the leg out whole.

Her whole body was dragged under the plate.

According to the report, they said (2nd hospital) they can reattach her leg. Apparently if the leg is cleanly severed (in this case intentially cut) there is a 77% chance of success. The condition of her lower leg will be crucial.

My wife was already paranoid about using escalators after watching a lady swallowed by one in 2015 in China: https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/07/28/china-escalator-mom-death-mall-reaction-family.cnn Now she'll probably be taking the stairs.

You live in Pattaya and you don't know any "pure restaurants" that aren't bars? I've been eating in pure restaurants in Pattaya since I arrived 18 years ago. I've never eaten a meal in a bar as I prefer pure restaurants. You could start your discovery tour in Terminal 21 and Central Mall.

What dramatic questions you ask. No problem, knock yourself out and concern yourself over the world's Generation Z population. When a guy is concerned about meeting "real ladies", it's in a relationship context. That should not be a concern of Baby Boomers 30 to 50 years older.