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Except that these vaccines have an expiration date. So I imagine as their expiration looms, they will be sent abroad, unless it turns out that they're needed. Or the govt will reduce demand leaving more production available for other nations.

No, I don't need to break it down by actual numbers for it to mean anything. I could have been more specific and researched the numbers. But given that this is the policy in virtually all advanced nations for the reason I've noted, it's ridiculous to contend that there's even a remote possibility of the case being otherwise. Or are you seriously contending that there is something biologically different about the elderly in Thailand that makes them no more susceptible than the average of those Thais aged 18-59?

The consensus is that they're less effective but far from ineffective. Countries like Brazil that benefited from Sinovac's vaccine are no longer ordering it but moving to mRNA vaccines. Thailand badly botched its vaccination program by ordering only 3 million AZ doses per month when it could have had 10 million. Not only is the AZ vaccine more effective, but it is also far cheaper. Doses of the Sinovac vaccine range can cost as much as $17 per dose. AZ vaccine costs at most $4 per dose.

By this time it's well documented that the aged are disproportionately affected by Covid. It's for this reason that virtually all other countries that can purchase these vaccines have prioritized the elderly. Yet in Thailand, those aged 60 and older constitute only 6.7% of the fully vaccinated. Those aged 18-59 constitute 15% of the vaccinated. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/thailand-to-reopen-more-regions-to-tourists-by-oct-1-analysts-say-it-is-risky-but Not only is this morally wrong, but it's also self defeating. Mortality figures would be much lower if the elderly were given priority and Thailand's statistics would appear a lot less threatening to prospective tourists.

So, you cite how effective the vaccine is at reducing cases in Israel, but then you jump to global figures to refer to mortality. How do global figures of vaccination levels compare to those of Israel? Can you share with us the mortality figures of those Israelis who are vaccinated and compare them to those who are not? Do you understand that until a short while ago Israeli vaccinations stalled out thanks to the reluctance of a few sectors of the population to get vaccinated? 4 https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel?country= I used to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you really didn't understand the difference between cases and mortality. But when you blatantly pull a stunt like citing the cases in Israel but then jump to global levels of mortality, that no longer is a viable explanation.

Your comment reflects a typical anti covid vaxxer's misunderstanding of the statistics. "Cases" just refers to those who are infected. It says nothing about the severity of the symptoms. Instead of hospital ICU's being overwhelmed with patients, the consequences of being infected would be similar those of being infected with the flu. When was the last time hospital ICUs were overwhelmed because of the flu? I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to wrap their minds around.

It's been postponed to Oct 15. Just in time to miss China's long holidays.

Just to add a little to what ChomperHiggot wrote. This website is not operated by the CDC/FDA. That is utterly false. What it's doing is reporting raw data from from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System without explaining what the VAERS system is. The VAerS receives reports of any adverse health events subsequent to vaccinations. Patients, caregivers, and doctors can all report to the system. What sites like this want you to construe is that these are Adverse Effects of the vaccines. The reports in no way imply that these events were caused by the vaccinations. Given that over 100 million people in the USA have been vaccinated, it's inevitable that some of them are going to suffer adverse health events including death regardless of whether they were vaccinated or not. The real question is whether these events occurred at a greater rate that they would have otherwise. A question that is in no way addressed by this misleading website.

I don't know if anybody read the whole article but the most horrifying bit of information was that the elderly actually have a much lower rate of vaccination than other age groups. Ages 60 and olderwere only 6.7% fully vaccinated while it was 15% for ages 18 to 59. If vaccinations had prioritized the elderly, the mortality figures would be a lot, lot lower. Instead the powers that be prioritized geography over age and made the situation in Thailand look a lot scarier. Not a great way to appeal to tourists.

On the other hand there is this: COVID-19 antibody study shows downside of not receiving second shot Recovering from COVID-19 doesn’t guarantee antibodies or confer immunity to re-infection, study found “Our study shows that prior exposure to SARS-CoV-2 does not guarantee a high level of antibodies, nor does it guarantee a robust antibody response to the first vaccine dose. For people who had mild or asymptomatic infections, their antibody response to vaccination is essentially the same as it is for people who have not been previously exposed https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2021/08/covid-19-antibody-study-shows-downside-of-not-receiving-second-shot/ So just having antibodies acquired through infection, is no guarantee of adequate immunity. For large scale immunization programs, determining the antibody levels for each prospective patient, is just too unwieldy. Better to get a standardized dose.

Well, that's a fair point. Although evidence is limited. But I guess that means that you would support vaccinating those who haven't yet been infected?

Well, for one thing, it promises to stop them from becoming infected in the future from later variants.

This is about how age affects the consequences of being infected. It has nothing to do with superimmunity. And exactly what does it have to do with intensive care units in hospitals being maxxed out due to those with severe symptoms being treated?

Did you read the article? It compares the response of people who have both acquired just natural immunity against those who have acquired both natural immunity and been vaccinated.

First off, you have to not die to benefit from natural acquired immunity. That may be a minor issue to you, but not so much to hospitals where the ICUs are overloaded with the unvaccinated. But isn't it great news that if you do get infected, and then vaccinated, it looks like you will enjoy an extraordinarily high degree of protection? Even against viruses that were created to evade the protections afforded by antibodies. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/09/07/1033677208/new-studies-find-evidence-of-superhuman-immunity-to-covid-19-in-some-individuals

And there is evidence supporting the notion of super-immunity. Immunity so powerful it even extends to other sorts of covid viruses. Like Sars 1. It's found among those who have both been naturally infected and then have been inoculated with a vaccine. New Studies Find Evidence Of 'Superhuman' Immunity To COVID-19 In Some Individuals So who is capable of mounting this "superhuman" or "hybrid" immune response? People who have had a "hybrid" exposure to the virus. Specifically, they were infected with the coronavirus in 2020 and then immunized with mRNA vaccines this year. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/09/07/1033677208/new-studies-find-evidence-of-superhuman-immunity-to-covid-19-in-some-individuals

Yet you failed to note that piece of evidence.

Just because he posted a citation, doesn't mean he read the entire article. Or maybe he read it and omitted it. Whatever the reason, that piece of evidence is certainly favorable towards vaccinations, is it not?

You're the one who claimed that having a strong immune system is the best protection. Clearly the huge discrepancy in mortality results between the vaccinated and unvaccinated show otherwise. If virtually everyone in the USA who could be vaccinated was vaccinated, the Covid pandemic would long be over. It would be great if everyone led healthier lives. And it would greatly reduce covid mortality. But it's a slow solution. Once again, if your house is on fire, that's no time to install a sprinkler system.

You conveniently failed to note this: "Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant." And, of course, the morgues are full of people who counted on acquiring immunity naturally. Comparatively few among the dead were fully vaccinated. What is so difficult to understand about the fact that the vast majority of deaths are among the unvaccinated?

It's an early report. But even if so, it does nothing to explain the huge discrepancy between the mortality rate of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. It's clear that if baseless resistance to being vaccinated hadn't emerged in the USA, and the population was virtually fully vaccinated, Covid would be entirely under control by now. Deaths from Covid would be reduced to a small fraction of where they are now.

You have any evidence to support your contention that having a strong immune system is even as good as, much less better than, being vaccinated? Unless, of course, you rely on circular reasoning. Given that only 3% of deaths were among the vaccinated, I guess you could explain that away by claiming that those who get vaccinated were a lot healthier in the first place. Otherwise, not so much.

Getting people to change their habits is very difficult and requires a prolonged campaign of public health. There is some evidence that increased levels Vitamin D can help protect against Covid. Particularly for Black people. https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/vitamin-d-covid-study But it's still nowhere nearly as effective as vaccines.

Well, I guess if you count twice over a spacce of several weeks as repeatedly. Or a booster ever 6 months. But nothing like the daily or multiple daily doses common to medications.

This post deserves to be published in The Journal of Anonymous Anecdotal Reports.