Havenstreet1940

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Apparently the Chinese are now vaccinating the over 60's with Sinovac. Why they didn't do so before was to concentrate all their resources on the younger working population, they have like the West, a large older population.

Of course they are.  Only to be expected from a country that has no regard for human life and could never acknowledge that the Western vaccines are superior to their own!

However, lets conclude this conversation as I suspect you have no other option than to accept Sinovac in your particular location and some protection is better than none.

Incidentally i was offered Sinovac recently and turned it down and will wait for AZ to become available.    Having a history of Anaphylaxis, my UK doctor has advised against the likes of Pifzer and Moderna.

Like you I live in the sticks outside a small village so I really only have to concern myself when I go to the city and by choice I do not encourge visitors.

13 hours ago, soalbundy said:

I didn't know about 59 plus, I'm well over that. It doesn't seem to be useless, just the worst one going. I'm not to bothered myself as our area seems to be covid free but I will be making a one day journey to Bangkok in November, straight to the embassy, out and straight back to my village again so any little plus in protection can't be bad however if it is harmful to anyone over 59 then that is a different bag.

I have yet to read why Sinovac has the 59 recommendation other than the trials carried out by the Chinese did not include any people over that age group, so maybe as the effects on over 59 were not avaiilable, that is the reasoning.   

Another question to think about- quite a few countries are thinking/considering about mixing vaccines for greater efficiacy, but apart the Chinese and a few Middle East countries such as Bahrein etc. none of them are considering including Sinovvac orSinopharm, but the likes of AZand MnRA vaccines. 

I wonder why?  Could be the 59 problem raising its head again.

Try https://mydaytrip.com failing that I have a regularTaxi guy who Ihave used for the last 5 years.

I know he might be interested.  Let meknow if I can help.

On 7/17/2021 at 10:51 AM, Havenstreet1940 said:

No misunderstanding, so don't try that to mitigate the complete ineptitude of the British estblishment in Thailand and in the UK.   They now have the opportunity to do something constructive and positive with regards to the Covid pandemic.   Time will tell!  

The continuing 'deafening silence' from British Embassy Bangkok would seem to to prove my point.   But I do understand the Ambassadors delemna, why should a 'career' civil servant prejudice his future upward path, by -'annoying' his masters with such trivia as peoples lives - which most probably has already been worked out by the Oxbridge 'oldboys' network in Whitehall, and who run the UK, in order to placate the concerns and fears of those whose taxes partly fund his salary. 

'Anyone for tennis old chap!'

1 hour ago, grain said:

I'm the sole farang in a very small village in a way-off-the-beaten track rice farming area. I'm not really the village type and previously lived in BKK & Pattaya and a couple of other major cities, but since covid started and I got locked in here I do feel safer. Of course the weak link is someone from outside bringing covid in but there hasn't been any returnees, if in fact there are any locals away in BKK or other provinces. 

Plus one.  Could not agree more!

12 minutes ago, Eff1n2ret said:

I guess it probably won't be, but I saw stories in the UK papers a few days ago of Brit expats complaining that their AstraZeneca doses administered outside the UK weren't acceptable to avoid quarantine. With Sinovac you might not even get on the plane.

I think your input refers to the 'spat' btween the UK and the EU.   The European Medical Agency has not, as yet, approved the AZ vaccine produced by the Serum Institute of India, consequently EU countries are unable to acknowledge the vaccine.    The UK argues that all AZ vaccine wherever it is produced, is no different.

35 minutes ago, jayboy said:

Perhaps there is a limited understanding that there is a major crisis so see useful link below.Let's give the new Ambassador a chance to salvage the situation and end the Embassy's public relations nightmare.

 

https://thaiislandtimes.substack.com/p/thailand-tightens-containment-measures

No misunderstanding, so don't try that to mitigate the complete ineptitude of the British estblishment in Thailand and in the UK.   They now have the opportunity to do something constructive and positive with regards to the Covid pandemic.   Time will tell!  

To the British Embassy Bangkok.   Have you been offered a quota of Astrazeneca from the Thai Goverment, if not what are you going to do to ensure that you will be offred vaccines on behalf of the British Nationals living here in Thailand?

No longer can you hide behind the FCO or that the NHS doesn't provide medical services outside of the UK - they were always disengenuous reasons anyway -  now that Canada and Australian Embassies have been offered vaccines,   and you have to come clean and admit you have no interest in assisting British Nationals in Thailand or the Ambassador has to tell the Thai Government that he would be most grateful to accept an allocation.

Your silence will be damned forever if you do nothing!

On 7/13/2021 at 9:35 AM, Havenstreet1940 said:

Will Thailand be the moved to the UK Red List?   Being optimistic I think there is a good chance it won't

Looks as though my hunch was correct for awhile at least as Thailand remains on the Amber watch list if media outlets to be believed.

Having had the first vaccination, how sure can anyone be that the 2nd dose will be adinistered, since there is a shortage ofvaccine in Thailand.

On 7/12/2021 at 11:17 AM, Jingthing said:

All I can think of is to contact our home country representatives and try to prove to them that the situation for us here is almost impossible and getting our embassies to help at this point is completely justified. 

Forget it!  I have canvassed my local MP (Tory), Angela Rayner (Lab) and 8 different media outlets.   I set out to all in the clearest of terms the problems we are all facing here.   The only response I got was that there was no media interest because the UK general public have their own concerns and (not in somany words) if we were that worried we could always go home to the UK and the NHS would resolve the problem.

So that's what I'm doing.

You are a star!   Thank you for sending this.   As you will appreciate I am 'still alive and kicking'

I had no effect whatsoever from the jab, so make of that what you will.

Maybe this thread is more about Covid and the implications on personal decisions andshouldbe moved,  Nonetheless,

I am planning to return to UK after September when I have completed (Hopefully?)my second vaccination.  I appreciaate I need to wait the appropriate time for the immunity from AZ to kick in.

To the point.   I would like to travel with my favourite airline QATAR, but I am concerned that the aircraft stops in Doha and passeners from that country or elswhere nearby may embark,   Sinopharm and Sinovac appear to be the vaccines favoured in the Middle East, and given the recent experience of Stephanie of the Phuket 'Sandbox' saga, am most reluctant to do so.

Think it will be lufthansa, KLM or Finair where the risk is smaller.

Will Thailand be the moved to the UK Red List?   Being optimistic I think there is a good chance the answer is No!

Let's look at the situation in UK and Thailand.   UK is currently reporting in the region of 30,000 daily cases, mainly of the Delta variant, whilst Thailand is currently reporting 8,000 plus daily.  So ipsofacto Delta is already in UK and is now dominant in nearly every local authority across England.

Covid in Thailand on the other hand is concentrated mainly on Bangkok and surrounding Provinces plus the Southern Provinces.  Central, North and North East Thailand are not a major concern currently.

The Delta variant, whilst gaining momentum, is not the main variant of concern at this time.

Rhetorical question;  Why would UK place another country on the Red LIst?    To mitigate the possibility of a new variant entering the country and infecting the general public, thereby putting pressure on the NHS and causing damage to the UK economy.   Delta is already in UK in a big way, so I would say 'what's the point of Red Listing Thailand?

But what do I know?

10 hours ago, blackcab said:

What is the Lot No?

Lot/Serial No:   A1012/10000000372058

Can anyone direct me to the appropriate internet site that will tell me wheremyAZ vaccine was manufacured. I have the lot/serial number.  so far Ihave been unable to track it down.

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Thanks , but if you were to develop symptoms after two days , you would seek medical assistance if required .

   Even if you did get a positive result , you are advised to stay at home and sit it out , if medical assistance isnt required .

   So, there doesnt seem to be any reason for taking a test on day 2  

Yep - Guess you are right.  However little we can do about it, 'rules is rules' I believe the saying  is! 

For anyone contemplating a return to UK, the following guidemay be helpful:

The UK Government is reviewing the traffic-light system every three weeks.

That means the next announcement should come on Thursday 15 July, with any changes coming into effect the following week, likely on Wednesday 21 July.

How the traffic-light system works

The lists are decided based on the following criteria:

• The percentage of a country’s population that have been vaccinated
• The rate of infection
• The prevalence of variants of concern
• The country’s access to reliable scientific data and genomic sequencing

Here are the rules for each list of the traffic light system:

• Green: Arrivals will need to take a pre-departure test as well as a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test on or before day two of their arrival back into the UK – but will not need to quarantine on return (unless they receive a positive result) or take any additional tests
• Amber: Arrivals will need to quarantine for a period of 10 days and take a pre-departure test, as well as a PCR test on day two and day eight. There will be the option to take an additional test on day five to end self-isolation early
• Red: Arrivals will be subject to restrictions currently in place for “red-list” countries which include a 10-day stay in a managed quarantine hotel, pre-departure testing and mandatory PCR testing on day two and eight

Amber list travel for double-jabbed

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said the Government has plans to open up amber list countries to fully vaccinated people later this summer.

“We’re moving forward with efforts to safely reopen international travel this summer, and thanks to the success of our vaccination programme, we’re now able to consider removing the quarantine period for fully vaccinated UK arrivals from amber countries – showing a real sign of progress,” Mr Shapps said.

This would essentially render amber list countries green for double-jabbed people.

The Times has reported this could be brought in as early as 26 July – in time for the school holidays.

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

How often to the UK Gov review the lists of which Countries are Green/Amber/Red ?

   Is there a set date ?

I understand that Grant Shapps, The Minister of Transport will announcee any changes within the next 10 days and that it could be as early as today (8 july) but I cannot guarantee that.

On 7/6/2021 at 6:23 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

The red zone list of Countries includes U.A.E , Bahrain , Oman and Qatar . 

   So, need to avoid these Countries when going back to the U.K

The next review by UK of the traffic light coutries MAY see Qatar promoted to the amber list I am told because they have been successful in keeping their rate of new infections reasonbly low.

Not long to wait now for the answer

13 minutes ago, Lorry said:

Many people have no side effects at all. Be glad!

have no doubt, I am.

Vaccinated at9.30 a.m Yesterday - No Side Effects 24 hr later.  Is Vaccine working?