Liverpool Lou

5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

19 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

In fact it was one of those, it was a "gathering" and, so far, there has been no confirmation that all those involved were one family staying together.

 

Which video, where?

The video is on social media.  As one of your Thai friends to look it up for you.

Some reason you can't link to it?    What do you know about the nationality of my friends, anyway?

3 hours ago, sencelebi said:

On 4/20/2021 at 1:33 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

"On the 2 way road to pass a car with hybrid car is not a smart way with only gasoline mode since there will be not enough horsepower for quick speed up..."

What?  Doesn't that depend entirely on the power of the IC engine?   They're not all the same!  How does a "2 way road" [sic] affect anything?

 

"...today's high tech cars will perform better on high octane gasoline..."

Using higher octane fuel than is recommended does not affect a cars performance in any significant way at all, regardless of whether the car has a modern engine or an older engine.

How did you come up with all these? Did you do research or are you an engineer?  I made those comments as a retired proffesional driver for 10 years . I live the professional driver part for you to figure out.

"All these"?   I asked one (slightly facetious) question and made one point!

A "two-way road", or any other type of road, is irrelevant to the power an engine can produce.   That was my (slightly) facetious response to your claim.

Using a higher octane fuel than is recommended does not affect the power an engine produces in any significant way.

Your being a "professional driver" does not mean that my comments were incorrect, they were not.  

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

23 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

That argument may have some merit if the definition of "party" was known, so what is the definition of "party" in this Covid-restricted context?

 

That the people involved in this may not have regarded it as a party does not mean that they can participate in a private social gathering during Covid restrictions that is not allowed, either.

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Thats just where you are wrong, its only not allowed if its classified as a celebration or party

Why do you keep ignoring the word "gathering"?

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

18 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Where did it say that "two separate families rented a villa together" where they all stay?    Apparently, the villa was owned by one couple.

That was a hypothetical example I gave you, still relevant don't you think?

My opinion of your hypothetical example would be just as irrelevant as your hypothetical example!   

19 minutes ago, BestB said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

...confirming the current Covid restrictions transgression?   Not really a smart move.

If you think 6 people sitting in a private house with kids swimming a transgression then I would say you are beyond any help I can offer

I didn't make the laws and it doesn't matter what I think of the regulations during Covid restrictions (I don't agree with most of them but I comply) and I sure don't need any help from you, thanks.

20 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

51 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others..."

Agreed!  Watch the video. It was none of these. Just a family swimming in their private pool.

In fact it was one of those, it was a "gathering" and, so far, there has been no confirmation that all those involved were one family staying together.

Which video, where?

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

27 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

From a police spokesman regarding this specific occasion...

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

 

If you dispute that, argue with the police about their statement, not me, I don't agree with it, either.    The word "party" does not come into it.

The word "party" was empathized by the police on entry, I'm disputing the definition of "party/celebration" a family gathering is not one of those.

"Gatherings" are specifically mentioned and not allowed.   

This wasn't a single family, apparently.   

"The word "party" was empathized [sic]by the police on entry"

Where did you get the transcript of the polices' words on entry?

17 minutes ago, pagallim said:

The naivety is borne through not understanding the ability of the Thai police to charge you with whatever they wish, whether it is actually the correct law or not.   In this case, a lack of clear definition of restrictions within a home is not stated, thus the Police adopt their own definition.

 

From your answer, I guess that you are not resident.

But what about your naivety that assumes that the people involved were not breaking Covid restrictions that forbid social gatherings such as reported in the OP?    This villa was not a home to all those involved, apparently.

Your guess is wrong but what difference would it have made even if you had guessed correctly?

18 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

If two separate small families rent a holiday villa together for the weekend which they are perfectly able to do. Do you really think they are breaking the law by eating together in the villa?

Where did it say that "two separate families rented a villa together" where they all stay?    Apparently, the villa was owned by one couple.

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There is no law against it unless it is a party. That is the definition.

That argument may have some merit if the definition of "party" was known, so what is the definition of "party" in this Covid-restricted context?

That the people involved in this may not have regarded it as a party does not mean that they can participate in a private social gathering during Covid restrictions that is not allowed, either.

19 minutes ago, pagallim said:

 

Which is why bars are closed in Phuket, and restaurants cannot sell alcohol.   Home consumption is permitted.

No one has disputed that.

16 minutes ago, pagallim said:

23 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

They weren't at a restaurant and restaurant regulations do not apply to home gatherings that contravene current restrictions!   I know that you don't like it but the restrictions are there, regardless.

 

The list of Phuket current restrictions.

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/full-phuket-covid-restrictions-order-published-79749.php

 

With respect to this definition:

 

“People should refrain from organising social events in the form of parties, banquets or festivities during this time unless it is a traditional ceremony such as a funeral, ordination or wedding. If the activity cannot be postponed, then it is to be held in accordance with all COVID protection measures,” the order notes.

 

So, as witnessed in the video, the police definition of a simple family lunch was a 'party'.   This is where your defence of what took place falls apart, and to be honest is quite sad.

None of my comments ahve fallen "apart" and I'm not defending the police, I think that the restrictions are just as daft as everyone else. 

What is in dispute here is that the restrictions exist, they do, and that people can be charged for transgressions, they can as evidenced by this OP!

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thats the whole point, it was not a "party" it was a family gathering, its the police on who classified it as a party with no justification just because of a lonely disgruntled Thai neighbor informed them

From a police spokesman regarding this specific occasion...

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

If you dispute that, argue with the police about their statement, not me, I don't agree with it, either.    The word "party" does not come into it.

10 minutes ago, pagallim said:

14 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I don't need to link to anything, you're the one disputing the Covid restrictions that do not allow parties.   

 

There is no speculation, whatsoever, in my comments.  If what I post is "speculation" then perhaps you can explain why the owners were arrested and fined for contravening current C-19 laws and the police want to do the same with the other visitors?

 

I must admit, posts demonstrating naivety like this make me call into question whether the poster is actually resident in Thailand or not.

What's so "naïve" about my posts in this context and, even if I was not a Thailand resident, what difference would that make to my observations about this thread?     

Are you disputing that the current Covid restriction regarding home gatherings is in force?

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

16 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

But, clearly, they weren't all the same family, that's why the owners were charged and the police also want to charge the other visitors!

 

How come you didn't read this part of your own link?...

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

 

"Besides which this whole thread is about why the police classified this as a party..."

The whole thread is actually about the OP, which is about a group of people who flouted the current Covid restrictions.    

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The OP is a translated piece from a Thai news outlet, I am quoting directly from a source English media in Phuket.

 

So are you really trying to tell me that in my family of 3 at home, myself, my wife and my daughter that if we then invite my son, his girlfriend and their young daughter whose birthday it is over for a Sunday lunch next week by the pool we are breaking the law?

It's not me that's telling you that, it's the police, and yes, that does seem to be the case.    I don't agree with it, same as many people, but not agreeing with it doesn't give anyone carte blanche to break the current restrictions, does it?

16 minutes ago, pagallim said:

I will post this again, very same evening and day in Wichit.   Anyone want to bet that there is no SangSom/Hong Thong/Regency under the table?

 

 

That appears to be 14 people in a restaurant, which doesn't contravene current restrictions..   The OP is about private social gatherings that do!

14 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Agreed. But it was none of those you listed. Just a few together for a swim in the pool. No organization required.  LOL

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others..."

12 minutes ago, pagallim said:

I don't believe that a Sunday lunch at the home of a long term Phuket resident, with his wife's sister and husband, and another couple, fall under the category of 'party'.   I've already posted this, but all Phuket restaurants remain open currently (at least those who choose to do so) but with no alcohol sales, though opening hours are restricted (no late evening).   Those that are open can be quite crowded, especially at weekends.   There is no restriction on alchol sales from shops, as there is no restriction on alcohol consumption in the home.

They weren't at a restaurant and restaurant regulations do not apply to home gatherings that contravene current restrictions!   I know that you don't like it but the restrictions are there, regardless.

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Please link to the exact ruling where it states that the 20 rule is only for public events and not for private gatherings be that at a home or hotel, venue or other.

 

If you can't do that then your whole argument is built on speculation

I don't need to link to anything, you're the one disputing the Covid restrictions that do not allow parties.   

There is no speculation, whatsoever, in my comments.  If what I post is "speculation" then perhaps you can explain why the owners were arrested and fined for contravening current C-19 laws and the police want to do the same with the other visitors?

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I did, thats why you read the article I linked to which also says:

 

"total of only six people at a family gathering at a private home in Baan Layan" from the article.

 

Besides which this whole thread is about why the police classified this as a party which it clearly was not, that was their accusation and basis for the charges.

But, clearly, they weren't all the same family, that's why the owners were charged and the police also want to charge the other visitors!

How come you didn't read this part of your own link?...

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

"Besides which this whole thread is about why the police classified this as a party..."

The whole thread is actually about the OP, which is about a group of people who flouted the current Covid restrictions.    

15 minutes ago, BestB said:

There is. Full video on Facebook . 

...confirming the current Covid restrictions transgression?   Not really a smart move.

6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

But under 20 people so within the law.

...for public events!

“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Maybe you are.   Where in the OP, or the link, did it state that they were all one family?

You could try some research aside from one OP article 

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/brits-fined-b6-000-in-phuket-for-illegal-family-gathering-of-six-79970.php

The comments here are based on the Thaivisa OP, there's no link to the one you posted.

However, the link that you did post does not say that all those present were all family members.  It does say, though...

"“For social activities, all people must refrain gathering for celebration, such as birthday parties, welcome or farewell parties, or others, except traditional events, such as funerals, weddings, or ordination. If the event cannot be postponed, the organiser must strictly follow the disease control measure to reduce the risk to spread the disease.” 

To use your own words, maybe "you could try some more research" into the linked articles you post.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Perhaps not all six of them live there and some were visitors.

 You're scraping the barrel now

Maybe you are.   Where in the OP, or the link, did it state that they were all one family?

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They were family

 

"total of only six people at a family gathering at a private home in Baan Layan"

Perhaps not all six of them live there and some were visitors.