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Because: CN degrades and disintegrates rapidly in the body after death, as this research/publication shows.. https://assets.cureus.com/uploads/case_report/pdf/260214/20240711-16844-14fn1pv.pdf But, frankly, I am just a bit disappointed that the poisoner, as far as we can tell, so far, chose to not use Fentanyl, which, from my perspective, might have been a far better choice, and more fun for the victims, too, for the moments before their deaths. CN can be painful, both psychologically and physically painful, in that it causes feelings of fear, apprehension, and other unpleasantness, including seizures, or what have you. But, with Fentanyl, the victim is in a state of bliss and pleasure, and just wants more, until unconsciousness overtakes the victim's brain. Therefore, if I ever become a victim of an intentional poisoning, where a murderer has planned to kill me, then.... Please, let it be Fentanyl. Thank you. Note: Even after just 24 hours, as far as I know, the CN has already disintegrated to levels that begin to make detection more difficult.

Yes. I do agree, absolutely. Two of the individuals are from the US, and are citizens. In the US, I think that very few fairly well-to-do Asians would commit a crime such as this for only a USD286,000.00 debt. This would be a loss of face, BIG TIME, for their families. And then, why fly over here to commit the crime? Surely, for a lot less than this amount of money, one could hire several hit-men in Vietnam, to rub out five middle-aged people. And, if the supposed/alleged poisoner had hired a hit man in Vietnam, then culpability would have been very hard to prove.

Yes. Very good information. AND, as you see, the article states: Therefore, I really DO question the assertion that they had been able to match DNA found on the drinking glasses to the victims, in less than 24 hours. I REALLY DO doubt that they could have. And, this chip technology that can do the workup in 4 hours is still in development, and not available here, I would expect.

You are correct that the toast could have been with the sports drink, or a cola, for example. There were traces found of white powder in all of the tea cups. And, I guess you are correct that this white powder has not yet been definitively analysed and identified. So, a toast with some other drink is possible.

I guess this is a kind of zen.

Another thing: Just how fast are they able to sequence DNA, these days, in Thailand???? I am not up to speed on this, regarding the speed that this is possible. Anyone know?

Yes. You are correct. But, I am not sure how this negates anything else that I have posted. Or, maybe I do not see what you are driving at. There were six tea cups there. One on the food table, and 5, as I recall, grouped together in another area. So this does support that 5 drank, together, first. Then, the lone poisoner, after having poisoned the first 5, sat down at the food table, and drank the the final solution of tea. But, another oddity... All plates of food were still covered in plastic wrap, except for one plate! So, there again, you have 5 plates covered. And you have one plate with the plastic wrap removed. I find this fact interesting, as well. Also, the seaweed dish was half-uncovered of its plastic wrap! So, maybe the 6th person, Chong, maybe, had a taste of seaweed or kelp, before downing her cup of poison?

I said from the beginning that there was NO 7th Man involved. The facts of the case did not support the hypothesis that there was an involved 7th individual.

Sure, and I realize that this might be possible. But usually, when drinking tea, we do not "toast" with it. We do not say, when consuming tea, in any way......: One, Two, Three......GAN BEI!!!!!!! (bottoms up in Chinese) And, nobody drinks hot tea quickly! We drink it slowly, during a period of about 20 minutes, while chatting with others, before we finish the contents of our tea cup. Alternatively, with beer or white Chinese liquor, we often say..... Gan Bei, Gan Bei..... GAN BEI! And, this behavior is normal. But even then, some refuse to finish what is in their beer glasses or Chinese shot glasses. Therefore, I still find this behavior a bit odd.

We usually do not drink a toast to someone using hot tea!, I think. Also, as to the idea that someone might have said....Let's all taste this new tea.... Was it not reported that some drank coffee and some drank tea? Therefore, it's unlikely that anyone was able to coax them to their deaths using the words: "Hey. Let's all try this new blend of coffee and, or, tea."

You are absolutely correct about this. I know that this is true, just from my own experience, as well. This is still something that I would consider odd about the findings in this case.

I think that it's incredible and admirable just how fast this case was accurately solved with validated data after good research and investigation. My only wish is that someone would discover and tell us why the honey became such an important part of the reportage of this loan-investment-based tragedy.

Yes. And you are correct. And this is because the vast majority of those Americans who had been living in America for thousands of years died due to illness after being exposed to disease/diseases carried by the "pilgrims", from their origins in Europe. Or, at least, this is my limited understanding of history.

That's not a lawn. That's AstroTurf!

Same as this day in August of 2023. 5-egg omelette 1.5 bowls of steamed jasmine rice large-tall 660 ml glass of iced Green Tea from Sichuan China Soy sauce, White pepper, Chili powder on the eggs, but not on the rice!

YES. I have been saying, and almost screaming this, since yesterday evening! This MUST have been an act of 6 individuals that happened ALL at the SAME TIME. And, the poison must have been extremely fast acting because: Only two had the ability to try to escape, by making it only half-way to the door. So, right! Very fast acting poison. And, at least two, had, seemingly, tried to escape! Very strange!

Yes, but the NYT prints ALL the news that is fit to print. And, they do a better job at checking and corroborating sources that they either quote, or use as back sources, one hopes.

What about the Americans who have been living in America for many millennia? Are they not more REAL than the Real Americans who have only lived in America for centuries? (So, my point: The two Vietnamese who had citizenship were REAL Americans, too! Who knows, maybe they were boat people, too.)

So, if this is true, then it will be like.... Don't drink the Koolade, all over again. I tend to agree that this was intentional on the part of most/all of the six...only because of the white powder that was clearly visible in/around the cups. Nobody would willingly drink tea with conspicuous white powder, unless they knew what the powder was. And, also, they might have gotten rid of evidence using the bathroom toilets. Note: Fentanyl intoxication DOES cause MUCH foaming at the mouth, too!

Yes, I noticed those vacuum bottles yesterday. BUT, if it was the vacuum bottled liquid that killed them, then WHY is there that metal box of Chinese tea sitting there? Why have a tin of loose tea sitting there if they were drinking tea from the vacuum bottle. And, how could the 7th man be sure that all the drinkers would drink from the vacuum bottle, and not drink something else, instead, after the 7th individual had left? And, then, why lock the door from the inside, unless they were retiring for the evening? The problem is that this must have been fast-acting poison, since two of the six were unable to even make it to the exit door.

Sure, but Asians, or Chinese, and probably Vietnamese, typically have their tea with or after meals, not just before a meal. And, we DO know that they called for room service at 1:55 PM. Therefore, the meal untouched on the table was probably not lunch, but ordered for an early dinner. Therefore, why not eat it? And, why drink tea before the meal, as the caffeine would tend to decrease appetite. If they drank poisoned tea, then they must have drunk the tea in the later afternoon hours. It cannot have been that they ordered a meal, and then they saw the meal, and then they drank their tea? Also, they had ordered fried rice with a fried egg, it seems. Nobody likes fried rice served cold! Why did they not eat it as soon as the food arrived? In addition, even if they had a microwave oven in their "suite", one microwave oven is NOT enough to heat up 6 large plates of food, and 4 bowls of TomYomGong, while keeping the food warm, so that all could sit down and enjoy a nice meal together. This is what really seems most bizarre to me: 1. I would rather die than eat cold food if the food was intended, by the chef, to be eaten hot. 2. So, maybe the food got cold, and then they said.... "Mai Ben Rai", and then they all drank the poisoned tea, in unison. If so, this would be the MOST bizarre ending to one of these investigations that most of us have heard, to date, .... maybe...

I am sure of NOTHING, .....FACT! To paraphrase Inspector Sellers.

I have been in Asia, full time, since 1979. I traveled to Thailand several times, non-military, in 1971. I have seen some squabbles, and have been an onlooker, many times, in court cases. All the Farang I have known over the years are no longer with us here in Asia. I am the Last Farang Standing! The very best policy one must adhere to in Asia is this: Avoid direct confrontation. Also, avoid passive-aggressive confrontation. Both direct-confrontation and indirect-confrontation in East Asia and SE Asia inevitably boomerang on the Farang. Maybe this is why having a lot of land is so important here in Asia. Find a way to obtain land, and then build a small house in the middle of it. Commune with the birds, especially the Thai Myna bird who is our friend, and never causes us heartache, but only provides us with joy and happiness. I am not tired of the Human Race. I have two friends, one here and one in Japan. Two is the right number. I am much happier now that I have made the move to not move out of my house, or beyond the gate of my wall. I dearly hope that I never need return to the noisy condo life. That would be disastrous for my health and mental wellbeing. Note: When I stated that I am now the Last Farang Standing... I really meant that I feel like.... The Last of the Mohicans.... An outcast in his own land... But in my case, I am welcome in a foreign land, or feel so, anyway.

Yes. And, entirely possible for the two to be among the children in the boats of the boat people who had been rescued and welcomed to the United States. They ARE Americans,too, of course. And, most are very hard workers. I had not intended to imply otherwise. It is just their ages that made me think they might have been among the rescued boat people.

They seem to have, on Monday, checked out of several smaller rooms, in favor of this one large villa. Then, they move their luggage in the villa, sometime Monday. And, at 1:55 PM, Monday, they order room service. This is the last contact made from the villa, to the outside world. Tuesday evening, the maid discovers the unbeaten food, and contacts the constabulary.