Longwood50

Sometimes refills of coffee are "free" other times they are not. Sometimes a loaner car when your car is in for service is for free. Other times it is not. Sometimes a salad and a side dish come with an entree, and other times they dont' What is "standard" at some companies does not make it universal. At the very least it should be a companies responsibility to make a reasonable disclosure of exactly what the free installation includes and/or put an asterisk and indicate it does not include the removal of the old unit.

I just wondered if this was typical of what others experienced in Thailand. Sell with everything included but suddenly find new charges when it arrives. I went to the Big retailer thinking if I had a problem that I would be better served dealing with them rather than a small Thai installer. I thought wrong.

Yes we were confused to. I agreed to pay the extra charges but I asked for an invoice from the big box store I bought the unit from. The installer explained he buys the unit from the big box store then goes to the customer house to install. He gets the "extra" directly and as such I could get no invoice for the extra's. I refused. I said, I bought from xyz company. If I have to pay for extras I pay them to the xyx company and then if I have an issue with those charges I will discuss it with them. If I pay to you, they will tell me that I just contracted for service with this sub and they were not part of the deal.

Taking off tires when you pay for new tires is "normal" When I buy new tires I don't expect to ask if it includes taking the old ones off. If you advertise free tire installation would you then feel compelled to ask if it included taking the old ones off. Why should it be with an air conditioner. Consider all these big box stores are selling the overwhelming majority of their units not to new home construction but as replacement. I is called "full disclosure" It is not free installation if there is a charge to remove the old one and as such it should be advertised as such. I replaced a unit in the living room a few years ago. The contractor quoted me a price with "installation" He didn't then say, oh you have an old one so I need to charge more. So your comment about it being customary and normal is not accurate.

Bait and switch Free installation does not include removing the old unit from the wall. If you purchased new tires including installation, would you expect that when you went for the install they said, oh there is an extra charge for removing the old tires. How about for a tune up on your car. Would you expect they would say that it did not include taking the old spark plugs out. My copy says "free gift of pipe cover" When installer comes says no but will sell for 1,200 baht. To me sir, that is bait and switch.

I have used Home Pro before and we did not have any problems. This was not with HomePro or any of the Hardware Chains. It appeared to me, that this sub, paid for the unit from the big box store and then was assigned to do free install. Used the opportunity to find "extras" to charge for. I did talk to the customer service person at this Big Box store. I printed a copy of the download showing the "free items" She said, oh they run different promotions every day and on that dat free gift of pipe cover was not included. That "free gift" offer runs every day on almost every AC this company sells. I printed my copy out and they countered well not on the day I bought. The item is sold out, so I still had my copy from when I purchased when the item was in the cart. No, they said, not proof . Last time to buy from them.

Is there a "part" of installation free that you would ask question of. Is there a part of "Pipe cover included as a free gift" that you would ask a question of Now the 4 meter I knew and I agreed to pay the additional for the extra meter. Guess what. He didn't need it. If you hired a company for new tires and installation, would you ask if it included taking the old tires off.

There is a major company with locations throughout Thailand that sells all sorts of appliances, and electronics. They were advertising a new Samsung AC with installation and a free pipe cover. They arrived this morning. First thing was installer said, that the 4 meter power cord wont' reach was 50 centimeters short but only sell in 1 meter length and that extra would be 500 baht. Next the man said "installation" did not include removing the old AC off the wall and the old compressor off the pad. They have a 700 baht disposal fee. We said, we don't want it disposed, we are selling for parts. Still says the fee would be 700 baht. Next says that pipe cover was not included and would be 1,200 baht. I agree but want invoice from the major company not him and I will pay to them. He says that major company has nothing to do with it, that invoice comes from his company. I agree to pay to the major company and tell the installer I will take the issue of the extra charges up with the major company but I did not "hire" his company. I indicated that I needed a receipt from the major company I purchased the AC from. This is what in the USA is termed a bait and switch tactic and using and paying the contractor directly would allow the major company to say you agreed to pay another company for their services and it has nothing to do with us. End of story, installer finally leave and we did not pay. We ended up getting exactly what was promised. I just wonder if this a typical tactic to bait with a price that includes installation then suddenly get installer changes what was agreed to. PS we asked for the extra length from the 5 meter power cord. Installer said, there was no "extra" he buried the extra length. Not possible. No place was dug up.

It is relevant. He has two chanotes inside the company and I only want one of them. He has a vacant piece of land, and a chanote that has a home on it. I only want the land. I can't buy his company because that means I would own both Chanotes.

A person has a home and extra lot. The two are on separate chanotes. I am interested in purchasing the vacant lot to build on. I know I can't buy the company since that would include both properties. What is the procedure for a company to sell just one Chanote. Is it easier if the person purchasing goes into Thai name or another company name or does that not make a difference.

Yes fan still spins

Mine says 1 year 10 years on compressor

Have had a LG Dual Inverter that is only 3 1/2 years old and it failed. For those of you with some experience with air conditioners, is this issue repairable. I had one repairman say he thought cost might be 7,000 to 8,000 baht. Which sounded high. This is a picture that he said showed the oil had leaked. Do you know of any good AC guys that might be able to repair. Live in Pattaya

called out your Strawman argument regarding FOX and the statement “The election was rigged”. Ask and you shall receive. Now your arguement that the Again you are misquoting me. I did not say it was impossible. I said it was an anomaly. That means when tested it was out of the normal range. As said, you can flip a coin 100 times and get all heads. Can that result, yes. Is that normal. No. and neither is winning 477 counties 30% less than the all time low recorded by Obama and getting 11% more vote. That sir is an anomaly. His voting pattern did not pass Benfords law which statisticians use to determine when statistics are out of the normal range. Benfords law is used to determine when things like spending, tax deductions, insurance claims etc are out of statistical and therefore SUSPECT. It does not prove fraud. It merely says the numbers presented are significantly out of the range of normal. CNBC - President-elect Joe Biden won 477 counties that... I did say he won 477 counties I also said that was 30% lower than Obama who previously held the record at 689. So if you subtract 477 from 689 he won 212 FEWER counties. 212/689 = a decrease of 30.7%. However he reportedly won 81,284,000 votes compared to Obama at 69,498,516 That is 16% increase over the previous Obama record. Winning fewer counties and getting more votes are incongruent. Particular when one considers that Obama was a rock star candidate and Biden was so mediocre he could not win his own parties nomination two previous times. Now perhaps you think that is "normal" But then again you may believe in Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny.

No you are as said never backing up anything you say. The Biden vote failed the statistical modeling by Benfords Law methodology. That meant it was "suspect" The modeling does not prove fraud, it proves that the results were so far out of norm that they deserved investigation., As said now for the third time. Show me just one time, that Fox said the election results were fraud and that the Dominion systems were altered. If you can't then stop repeating the assertion that you can not back up. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339615418_Benford's_Law_As_a_Useful_Tool_to_Determine_Fraud_in_Financial_Statements#:~:text=Benford's law is a mathematical,than valid or random samples.

Your article backs up my comments does not refute them. It states and I quote. On Nov. 10, the Brookings Institution published a report on county-level results. The report showed that Biden won 477 counties, But according to the updated data, Biden won 16.7% of counties with finalized results. That represents a record-low proportion for a winning presidential candidate. Now is that an abberation, a statistical anomaly. Perhaps. but as said when you have Obama who won 689 counties the lowest on record of a winning presidential candidate and it drops by 30% but the vote count goes up by 11% is enough to raise eyebrows. Are those counties large. Of course. However for him to win by such a large margin those counties would have had to vote in such a huge disproportion that as mentioned, it failed statistical modeling meaning it was "suspect" Hence Fox was well within bounds to call into question how such a statistical anomaly could occur.

As I said, you always think you know but you never show any evidence to back up what you say. This is from Cornell University regarding the statistical modeling called Benfords Law. It is used to identify statistical numbers that are statistically out of the norm. Note, Cornell states that Benfords law is uncanningly accurate. The Biden vote was out of the norm according to Benfords law. That does not prove fraud. It points out that it was statistically so out of the norm that it warranted investigation. If you don't find it strange that a candidate could win 30% fewer counties than ever recorded but somehow get 8 million more votes, then I suspect you would not find the need to investigate the weighting of a coin that if flipped 100 times comes up a statistically improbable amount of times heads. The Dominion systems may be ok and perhaps no fraud. However given the statistical abberation and anomoly Fox was totally correct in questioning it. Again, you "say" Fox said that the Dominion Systems were manipulated. I say you are wrong. Try backing something up just once with a valid source. Not just your rhetoric. Forensic accountants, fraud examiners, accountants, and auditors use Benford's law to detect anomalies that require investigation. https://arxiv.org/abs/1907.08894

As always Chomper you reply, but of course you don't back it up with anything. Show just one time that Fox actually stated the election was rigged. You are inferring something that just was not done. Did they question the safety and security of the Dominion voting systems - yes. Was that reasonable given that Biden won 30% fewer counties than the lowest ever recorded yet somehow managed to get 8 million more votes than any other candidate in history. Of course that was cause to question if there were bugs in the system. As said numerous times now. I believe Dominion is foolish to bring this action. They are opening their entire company up to a corporate colonoscopy where every email, memo, and error noted in one of their machines will be scrutinzed by an army of investigators and computer experts. They may find that process is not pleasant and may have the unintended result of pointing to deficiencies in the Dominion system. Will it? Who knows. I am pointing out the risks associated with going to trial and exposing all your companies secrets.

As said you can flip a coin 100 times and can it always come up heads. Yes. Can you can have Joe Biden win only 477 counties and get 8 million more votes than Obama did when he won 679 counties which was the lowest in recorded history. Yes, but statistically improbable. I don't believe Fox ever stated the Dominion machines were in fact reporting incorrect totals. However the fact that several statisticians reported that the results stretched statistical norms made the subject of the security of the Dominion voting machines fair commentary. When you had a presidential candiate who was so unpopular he failed to garner even enough support inside his party to win the nomination and then suddenly get more votes in history despite winning 30% fewer counties than any candidate in history could make a story on "untold mysteries"

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/currencyfuture.asp You can trade in currency futures. Many companies do that when dealing with foreign purchases or sales to prevent loss from currency fluctuations.

I "think" you are wrong. Quote a link to where Fox has said that elections were rigged. Their attorney's have publicly stated, that at no time did Fox make any such statement.

This is a result of lack of enforcement of the laws here in Thailand. I see every time I go out, drivers going the wrong way, even cars. I see cars and motorcycles deliberately run through red lights. The motorcycles drive recklessly and often without helmets, loaded with three of more people. You do not see this behavior in other countries. They enforce the laws on the books and people knowing they will get stopped obey the law. Here, I have been in Thailand now for 4 years and I have yet to see a driver pulled over by the police for a traffic violation. Even when fined, the drivers ignore the fine knowing the courts do nothing to force the payment.

This is not Thailand. In the USA truth is a complete and affirmative defense. I have no idea what you say the judge ruled on. However if Fox stated the Dominion Voting System could be hacked and in fact that proves to be true. Now Fox makes the claim that it never claimed that Dominion rigged the election which if false is defamation. They did claim the Dominion had security issues. I am of the opinion that you have a liberal judge who is biased making a ruling that even if upheld will be overturned on appeal. The only way that by US law Fox could be held to be defaming is if it knew its claims that the Dominion systems were vulnerable were false and chose to present them as true. Kind of like on the opposite side, that the media knew there was no Russian collusion and that there was the fake dossier but kept pushing the story as if it was true. Fox News has never argued in court that Dominion rigged the 2020 election, but its lawyers have repeatedly made the point that there are longstanding and bipartisan security concerns about its voting machines.

I gave up on Nord. It did raise its cost but also whenever I was using it, the internet speed slowed down to a crawl.

You could have stopped this sentence at Better Wake Up.