MangoKorat

Come on....how many Thai's are skilled at Muay Thai? Your average everyday Thai guy? Most westerners would knock 7 bells out of them if they'd fight fair. 15 to 1 is hardly fair.

Don't know, I don't think they do either - its just been going on for years. Mostly retaliation now I think.

Precisely! If they want more tourism and to make travel hassle free - introducing more visas would not be a good idea. If they demanded that visa success depended on being a certain calibre of person - many won't be able to travel and others will just fake the documents. Brawls go on in Thailand regularly - often between Thai's - university and technical college rivalry can be deadly - we just don't see it. If Thailand wants more tourists with easy access - increased bad behaviour goes with the territory.

It wasn't given as an argument by me. I simply said that plenty of teachers work beyond 60.

With many of them its not a matter of maintenance, they carry out modifications to throw more fuel in and obtain more power. They don't seem to have any idea that they are not only damaging the environment, they are also damaging their engine on many occasions.

Oh jeez, another 'Post a Link' member. I really can't be bothered, if it makes you happy to think I just made it up - be happy. In the meantinme - read this. https://asq.in.th/question/is-there-an-age-limit-for-teachers-and-work-visas-in-thailand

If a rich Thai paid someone to arrest her claiming she'd attacked him etc. etc. - it would happen. There is very little that can't be bought in Thailand. Not saying that's what happened, just raising the possibility.

She says she plans to return to the UK so maybe not.

Well, if all she did was try to collect a debt, I doubt she had any idea she could be arrested - would you?

Tetosterone and alcohol. If you target a younger audience to grow your tourist industry, those two ingredients are unavoidable. Its nothing new, young men have been drinking and fighting since forever - including Thai's. I think the difference now is that when many of us first came to Thailand, most tourists were older so less likely to fight. I had (have) other interests 😉, fighting was never on my agenda.

So you believe an education certificate should be provided when applying for a visa?

You would probably get very frustrated in Thailand + the civil court list probably extends into the next century.

I doubt she'll be returning.

How would you go about collecting it?

DNA evidence can be damning but if the police had DNA, they would be asking for his extradition. However, even if hs DNA was found on her remains, how unusual would it be to find her husband's DNA? The police have a very difficult job in this case. Most murders are carried out by a person known/close to the victim and there is a reported history of domestic violence in this case but that is not enough to prove a murder charge. Insufficient evidence has lead to innocent people have been hanged in the past. Thankfully the required evidence standard has been raised in the UK - mainly as a result of such cases and of course, we no longer have the death penalty.

It doesn't matter how low the percentage of wrongful convictions is. Everyone has the right to be presumed innocent until found guilty. It is unfortunate that sometimes a lack of evidence allows the guilty to go free. I'd rather see that than see innocent people languishing in prisons - or worse.

And in several of those posts I have stated that I believe its highly likely that Mr Armitage is guilty. My overarching message is that there must be evidence. My posts have nothing to do with his nationality but the story is of particular interest to me as I live in the Yorkshire Dales.

That's normal - the OP is asking about large amounts - how much did you send?

And the tone of your post shows that you seem to think anyone who the police want to talk to must be guilty. I have also been questioned and eventually charged - the police acting with the flimiest of evidence yet the CPS chose to prosecute. A weaker person may well have been convicted - I fought and was cleared of all charges. More than that, the judge in my case instructed the police to visit his offices the following week and explain just how they had come to their conclusions as there was some serious malpractice on their part. I'm not going to do my dirty washing in public but suffice to say, I had reported a problem no less than 14 times - all recorded and the police failed to take action - the judge also wanted an explanation of that. I defended myself and asked the police to provide their records of my complaint to the court as evidence. They failed to do that on 2 occasions (I wonder why) and the judge told them that if they failed to do so a third time, he would throw the case out. It was quite amusing listening to the police trying to wriggle out of the situation - the judge clearly realised that I had been 'fitted up' and was having none of it. We cannot assume that a person is guilty of anything without good, factual evidence - that has happened too many times. Way too many 'kangaroo court' members on this forum.

And the other examples?

Totally agree. What many people don't realise is that to the police, its just a job. They are given a case to deal with and they don't care who they convict, as long as they can close the case. Evidence for my claims: Andrew Malkinson - 17 years in prison for rape. Many appeals, all refused. Last year DNA evidence surfaced that proved the rapist was a different person. The Post Office Horizon Scandal - hundreds of Post office employees convicted of stealing money that turned out to be a software glitch. The very fact that so many of them were shoutinng their case from the rooftops and the similarities in the circumstances of their 'offences' should have set alarm bells ringing - there was clearly something wong. People have even been executed for crimes they didn't commit. OK, it was many years ago but the man is still dead. Timothy Evans, wrongly convictedof murdering his wife and daughter. During his trial, Evans accused his downstairs neighbour, John Christie, who was the chief prosecution witness in the case against him, of committing the murders. Three years after Evans's execution, Christie was found to be a serial killer who had murdered several other women in the same house, including his own wife Ethel. Christie was himself sentenced to death, and while awaiting execution, he confessed to having murdered Mrs. Evans. An official inquiry concluded in 1966 that Christie had murdered Evans's daughter Geraldine, and Evans was granted a posthumous pardon. The High Court dismissed proceedings to officially quash Evans's murder conviction in 2004 on the grounds of the cost and resources that would be involved, but acknowledged that Evans did not murder his wife or his daughter, 54 years after his wrongful execution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans That's just three, there have been thousands. Between June 2019 and March 2020 there were 1366 successful appeals against conviction in the UK. https://www.law.ac.uk/about/press-releases/wrongful-convictions/

On what charge? His alleged offence was committed in the UK, Thailand has no jurisdiction over crimes committed in the UK.

Plenty of teachers work well beyond the Thai retirement age. They are unlikely to be given a job if they are over 60 before starting work but if they turn 60 during their employment, its up to their employer.

Before making your comments and attempting to be sarcastic, maybe you should have read the entire thread - especially the statement supplied by another member from North Yorkshire Police where it appears they know nothing about any extradition request - despite what is stated in the report. Here, in a post by MicroB yesterday: A North Yorkshire Police spokesperson said: “We are aware of the detention in Thailand of David Armitage, the husband of Lamduan Armitage. We understand it relates to his visa status and residence in Thailand and is entirely a matter for the Immigration Service of the Royal Thai Police. “Should Mr Armitage be deported, we understand that he will have a choice as to where he goes, which will include return to the UK. Should that occur, we will again make every effort to speak to him about the investigation." Noboby is trying to be a defence lawyer in support of a fellow countryman, they are simply pointing out the law and the fact that the UK police have been hampered by a lack of evidence in this case from the beginning. Whilst it seems highly likely that this man killed his Thai wife, there must be evidence and the right person must be convicted. In a case last year, a man spent 17 years in prison for rape based on dodgy evidence. Eventually, DNA evidence proved the rapist was a different person.

Circumstantial evidence does not carry the same weight as direct evidence, especially when there is no direct evidence. For example: you may commit a crime within a building. I may see you walking down the street afterwards and bear witness to that. If there is no evidence that you were actually in the building and no further evidence exists - a conviction would be highly unlikely and almost certainly appealed successfully as unsafe. Circumstantial evidence is mainly used to back up direct evidence. Juries are more likely to take account of circumstantial evidence than judges are - which is why such convictions are often dismissed at appeal. Juries decide most criminal cases, judges rule on appeals.