MangoKorat

Well not exactly. I know of a few, including at least one member of this site, that already do exactly as I have suggested. Its not my idea. The UK government make a lot of their own problems - like massive amounts of duty on some things that creates a black market in those products.

For a non biker, a bike and sidecar might be OK. However, as a biker, I just can't get used to the damned things, I try to make them lean around corners which gets me into all sorts of trouble - the passengers get a bit upset when I try that on a right hander.

Regular members here know very well that they should not accept documents from so called lawyers and legal sites in Thailand. I can think of at least one 'legal' company that advertises on Asean Now that doesn't actually employ any Thai lawyers.

OK, unless someone posts an official version that shows that the information I provided earlier has been updated and dual citizenship for children of mixed heritage is now allowed. I will not be posting further. I have read the official version and the copy I posted on here - to the best of my knowledge they are identical. I don't need to see an official version of that law because I've already seen it. If anyone chooses not to believe it.......that's fine. I am yet to see an official version that shows any relevant updates of the law. I have spent far too long already arguing this point. Over and out.

Actually, there are often English translations, especially when new laws relate to immigration matters.

What's the difference - it looks identical to me: From your link: Section 13 Section 14 of the Nationality Act, B.E. 2508 as amended by the Nationality Act (No.3), B.E. 2535 shall be repealed and replaced by the following: “Section 14 A person of Thai nationality, who was born of an alien father or mother and has acquired the nationality of the father or mother according to the law on nationality of the father or mother, or a person who acquired Thai nationality under Section 12 paragraph two or Section 12/1 (2) and (3) is required, if he desires to retain his other nationality, to make a declaration of his intention to renounce his Thai nationality within one year after his attaining the age of 20 years, according to such forms and in the manner as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations. If, after consideration of the said intention, the Minister is of opinion that there is reasonable ground to believe that such person may acquire the nationality of his father, mother, or a foreign nationality, he shall grant permission, except in cases where Thailand is engaged in armed conflict or is in state of war, he may order the dispensation of any renunciation of Thai nationality.”

Thanks for that but again, its not from a Thai government source. There are mistakes all over the place. The UK government's website on travel to Thailand for example, contains several mistakes/out of date items.

I have stated from my first post that I am very aware that there are thousands that hold both passports. I also pointed out exactly why I was warning the OP of this law. However, I still await a copy of the 1992 act where the renunciation requirement was removed. Once I do, I repeat, I'll be happy to accept that my information is out of date.

Oh, so you found a 1992 version that stated much the same? Odd then that there are those here that are claiming that the 1992 version does away with the renunciation of citizenship requirement. Thanks for that information (genuinely).

Thanks for that. It could be though, that a superceded law exists. I'm just waiting for those who say there is to post it.

I posted a link from this website that contained a translation of a law that was initially enacted in 1965. I have no idea if that has been updated. As I have said, if someone is prepared to post an actual revision of that law and the Thai version and that is different, I'll happily accept that. I've seen far to many examples of wrong information over the years to believe anything other than that from an official source.

No, it does not 'allow' - it requires them to renouce their citizenship. That renunciation is then considered by the minister and provided there is no need of them for military service, the citizenship will be ended. It is nothing to do with their father's country not allowing dual nationality. It refers to childern born of a foreign father who hold their father's citizenship because of the laws of that country.

If the official version of that states the same, then the previous act may well have been updated. However, for me, I would have to see the official version. I've seen many occasions where so called Thai legal companies have given wrong information. They also sometimes use information from proposals that were never actually enacted by Royal Decree. Just remember that Thailand is not Farangland and there is very little comeback on lawyers who give wrong information. That said, if the information is correct, I'll be happy to accept it. All I am trying to do is provide correct information.

So post them.

I am entirely confident that the content from the link I posted a few minutes ago from this website, is entirely consistent with the actual law that I read years ago. My then wife, also read the Thai version to be sure the two versions were the same. As a general rule AND as a long standing member here, you should be very aware that you should not believe everything you read on commercial websites. As you will, or should be aware of. There is one Legal Company that is regularly qouted on here and who's website contains several incorrect items on house ownership. Another company uses a name/URL that makes itself sound like an official Thai embassy. That website also regularly has wrong/outdated information on it. On this occasion, I know that the content from the Asean Now thread is the same as that from the official source. I have nothing at all to gain from this and I didn't post it to appear clever. I came across this information many years ago whilst my then wife and I were fighting a custody battle with her child's paternal grandparents.

As I CLEARLY stated, I'm not going to waste my time. Clear enough? Up to you whether you want to believe it or not. If I spent hours finding the official location, you'd still argue with it. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

Actually, I'm not going to spend hours looking for the law from an official source with an official translation, simply because the last time I did just that, there were still those who said its not true. You can either believe it or not - personally I couldn't give a monkey's toss. From our own website: Section 14 A person of Thai nationality, who was born of an alien father and has acquired the nationality of his father according to the law on nationality of his father, or a person who acquires Thai nationality under Section 12 paragraph 2 is required, if he desires to retain his other nationality, to make a declaration of his intention to renounce his Thai nationality within one year after his attaining the age of twenty years, according to such form and in the manner as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations. If, after consideration of the said intention, the Minister is of opinion that there is reasonable ground to believe that such person may acquire the nationality of his father or a foreign nationality, he shall grant permission, except in cases where Thailand is being engaged in armed conflict, or is in state of war, he may order the dispensation of any renunciation of Thai nationality. https://asean.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Thailand185.pdf

Again you post information from a commrecial website.

I knew it. There are always some doubters. If I have time over the next few days I will find the information - the actual official source. However, I have absolutely no doubt that you'll also argue with that.

I stand by what I've written. I spent a long time reasearching this for a friend a few years back. If you can point to the law that states you are correct, I'll be happy to read it and be corrected if I'm wrong.

I have been through all of this before - several times. Last time I checked, the law was still in place though it was also being ignored. The URL you provided is a commercial website - please check the official Thai government documents if you want to know the law. You cannot rely on commercial websites for official rules.

You clearly failed to read my post detailing the 'back door'. You also failed to spot, im several posts, that I have not retired yet and therefore haven't broken any rules. Further, I am aware of the powers available to HMRC, I also had a tax investigation a few years back - which resulted in no further action.

OK, I'm going to open a can of worms here and no, I'm not going to spend hours looking for the English version of this but....... I am very aware that there are literally thousands of kids/women that hold both British and Thai passports. I believe women married to a foreigner can keep both nationalities but according to the law, which is ignored but to the best of my knowledge has not been changed, a child of mixed parents (foreign father) who reaches a certain age, and from memory I think its 20, must choose which citizenship they wish to keep. If they wish to keep their foreign father's nationality, they must renounce their Thai one. I repeat, I know very well that thousands keep both. I'm just raising this to advise the OP to tread carefully if he comes up against any further resistance to renew his kid's Thai passports. Any over zealous official involved who knows the actual law and wants to 'win' - could quote the law, providing of course that the kids have reached the required age.

Guys, its not a secret. A British Citizen can travel to Northern Ireland without a passport. Some airlines want a passport - some will accept another form of photo ID. I travelled there in 2015 by car/ferry and wasn't asked for any ID at all. From Northern Ireland you can then travel to the South and not pass through a border. There is no requirement for a British Citizen to use a passport to travel to Ireland (Eire) as its part of the Commom Travel Area. Onwards to your destination through Dublin Airport where the passport authority is Irish and not UK. Note that if you travel directly (as in not through Northern Ireland) between the UK and Ireland by air or sea, if you are a British Citizen your carrier will require photo ID - what that is is up to them and I believe that most WILL require a passport. Both UK and Irish passport authorities maintain border control through their external borders - external to The Common Travel Area. You cannot travel into either the UK or Ireland from outside the Common Travel Area without a passport. So its not a route that illegal immigrants can use. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government-in-ireland/ireland-and-the-uk/common-travel-area-between-ireland-and-the-uk/

Why? You don't bypass Passport Control, provided you don't travel by air, there isn't one - not as such. That does not mean there are no checks whatsoever. The last time I travelled, I simply drove off the ferry. There were people standing around with uniforms on who might have checked the odd car or passenger but there is no requirement for a British Citizen to use their passport to travel there. Crossing the next border into the EU is a simple drive down a motorway. I have heard that in the past, there have been checks on the roads due to security alerts.