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With Israel it is work in progress, Hamas will be destroyed. It is also a work in progress within Israel...

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If Israel (and Palestine) want to safeguard against any future horrific attacks on their citizens, they should get rid of their extremist leaders (Hamas and Zionists), implement a permanent ceasefire and the return of all hostages (conditional on each other), and start negotiating a two-state solution.

@Wobblybob, and every Palestinian civilian (human shield) that the IDF kills creates 10s or even 100s more Palestinians that now hate Israelis. IDF cannot wipe out Hamas. In trying to do so, they will only create future ones.

I've said time and time again that Hamas are terrorists. I'm sure they think of themselves as "freedom fighters." I think Hamas represents a small percentage of the Palestinian people, just like Zionists represent only a small percentage of Israelis. What I've constantly said is I hope Palestinians and Israelis (not Hamas and Zionists) can eventually come together to reach an agreement that would divide the land up so they both could live in peace. But, as long as they are led by these right-wing, nationalistic, militant factions, that will not happen, or be very, very hard to do.

But you didn't say that. You just deflected the question to a statement implying "He hit me first!" I agree Hamas conducted a horrific terrorist attack on Oct 7. But, what I don't agree with is that it gives Israel the right to also commit horrific, terrorist-like attacks on Gaza in retaliation. That's the main difference we have. I guess you could reduce it down to the old adage, "Two wrongs don't make a right."

What makes you think that?

Sorry, I didn't see that as a question but a statement. I don't believe that statement or the link supporting it.

I asked you, "What would you say about the people who kill human shields?" And your answer was, "It's a war that Palestine so brutally instigated." I don't consider that a direct answer. Your answer IMPLIED that you thought killing civilians used as human shields was okay because "He hit me first!" But, it was not a direct answer.

I "hate" just the extreme factions, not those on either side who also hate those factions. Opinion: Many Palestinians in Gaza hate Hamas. My father certainly did | CNN

It's a war that Palestine so brutally instigated. You never answer a direct question. I always do. You always change the subject. I hope you'll consider changing that approach.

What would you say about the people who kill human shields?

I'd go for that, but for the real possibility that if that's done, this conflict will widen and involve more and more states. That, IMO, is the real danger. I'd rather see these two forced to negotiate a two-state solution and then have some kind of armed peacekeeping force put into place to enforce that.

You really hate the Israelis, your mask slips with every post. So, would you say that you "really hate" the Palestinians? I do believe that the extreme, right-wing, militant factions on either side, Hamas and Zionists, are responsible for this continuing conflict. So, yes, I guess you could say I "hate" them.

"...the only answer is to remove the cancerous growth which is Hamas"...and the Zionists in Israel.

I wouldn't be "one of the grunts going from house to house on the ground looking for Hamas." I wouldn't voluntarily participate in anything like that. If I were forced to do that, I would try to make certain I did not kill civilians, or anyone else, for that matter. Instead of being a soldier attacking another country, I would try to concentrate my efforts back at home to find a way to stop this war. That's what I did in my home country in the 1960s.

Hamas wants a one-state solution. So do the Zionists in Israel, who are now in charge of the government (Netanyahu). I believe it will be up to the UN, particularly the allies of both Palestine and Israel, to put enough pressure on them to start negotiating a two-state solution. If they fail to do this, this conflict will probably never end. Even if Israel gains control of all of Palestine and enforces military law, there will be no end to the terrorist attacks.

Yes, and that's the fundamental cause of your bias. You refuse to try to understand what is behind this conflict, so all you think can be done to stop it is to kill more Palestinians until they are eliminated or completely surrender. I, on the other hand, want to see a more equitable solution.

If I were in charge of either side, I'd start seriously negotiating a ceasefire, return of the hostages, and a two-state solution.

I have not been to either Palestine or Israel and certainly wouldn't want to go there now. I have no "first-hand knowledge" of any of this conflict. All my knowledge has been accumulated by reading history books and reports on current events. This is the basis for all the opinions I express here on AseanNow and elsewhere.

Yes! That's my point. The IDF doesn't know and doesn't care. They kill everybody they can.

I have neither anti-Israeli nor anti-Palestinian views. I also am not pro-Israeli or pro-Palistinian. 1. This "war" (I call it a "conflict") started centuries ago, but most recently, in 1947, when the UN gave half of Palestine to the Israelis as a "homeland" and refuge for the Jews who were prosecuted during WWII. There have been militant actions from both sides ever since. 2. The ultimate goal of both Hamas and the Zionist factions in Israel is to completely drive all of the other side out of the land that used to be called "Palestine" and is now called "Israel." 3. Both Israel and Palestine have a duty to protect their citizens. Israel has, by far, the mightiest military force, so the Palestinians have to try to do that by garnering support from other countries. 4. I really want the following: - An agreement from both sides to negotiate a two-state solution. - A return of all hostages and a permanent ceasefire. (These could be conditional on each other.)

That may be true, but it's Hamas, Al Fatah and Hezbollah who are calling the shots, and massaging the message. You forgot Netanyahu and the rest of the Israeli Zionists...

Oh, that's easy. I think the IDF considers any Palestinian male over 15 a Hamas terrorist and a target for elimination, no matter how many civilians they have to kill to get to him.

I agree that sometimes Hamas is hiding behind Palestinian civilians, but who is it that is killing those Palestinian civilians? Do you think it's okay to kill civilians by the tens of thousands to get to the militants by indiscriminately bombing cities, including hospitals? This land has not been the Israelis "for centuries." In fact, it has been the Palestinians up to 1947 when the UN gave half of it to the Israelis. The laws concerning rape and killing differ between Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. I won't go into all that here, but Islam's teachings are the most severe concerning rape, and Judaism is the most lenient. Both Islam and Judaism allow killing in certain circumstances. Christianity is not supposed to, but most Christians don't really follow the teachings of Jesus. They'll find some Old Testament (Judaism) verses that justify what they do. All three of these religions spring from the same place and basically worship the same "God," the god of the desert - Allah/Yahweh/Jehova, and their teachings are all very similar.