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In all reports, from witnesses and responders, it states the fire started in the battery, after a small explosion. The damage looks right, with the battery running into the front and rear compartment, manly down the right hand side of the car. There are no pictures of the battery to assess the damage., but emergency responders were that concerned about it, they had it removed and submerged in water. There also appears little fire damage to the passenger compartment, with that protected with a fire walls between it and the battery. The only other plausible cause, would be a 2 seat fire, which implies arson, which is extremely doubtful in such a public location. The battery removal is an external job, and the Porsche technicians would have advised emergency responders that it was possible. Yes the battery is damaged, but the removal was done under a controlled situation, responders in place, hose-lines ready and SCBA can easily be donned, so a calculated low risk, that allows the battery to be placed in a water dam, to prevent any further ignition, fire spread and damage to anything else. This link is to the emergency response guide, from the NFPA (National Fire Protection Association), to dealing with a Porsche car. https://www.nfpa.org/education-and-research/emergency-response/emergency-response-guides/porsche

It has now been confirmed that the jacks were not the cause of the fire. Emergency responders got the showroom technicians to raise the car to help extinguish the fire, then the battery was removed to be submerged in water to prevent any further possible problems.

This is only my opinion, but looking at pictures from the night and after the fire was out, it seems this may have been a slow burning fire, as the external damage is limited. The roof, clothing hanging outside, plastic chair and matting on the entrance platform shows little damage from flames or radiated heat. Seems some of the structure damage, cutting through the side, was done when removing the bodies. Internally everything is burnt, but carefully removing the burnt remains off the floor, could indicate burn patterns, pointing the area the fire started and any possible flammable liquids if present. The police reported that there was soot in the lungs, so the victims had clearly breathed in lots of smoke, but the autopsy would also have shown heat/burn damage in the windpipe and possibly lungs. Smoke gases have a lot higher temperature at the ceiling level, but if the victims were asleep this would be limited. If the victims have been standing and trying to get out, high temperature fire gases would have been breathed into the lungs and leaving visible evidence/damage. There was very little, reported inside the room to burn, a fan, some bedding and the walls linings, plus sadly the victims and their clothing. The positioning of the victims, would indicate that their were asleep and overcome by smoke, long before being burnt. Body posture is always a poor indicator of what the victim was doing before death, as fire and heat effects on muscles and body tissue, will tend to contract the limbs. I doubt that the final investigation details will be reported, as with the difficulties of identifying individual bodies, it will take weeks to complete and the media will have moved on by then.

Reported update today. “Today, 24 May 2024, Pol. Col. Somphon Wongsrisunthon, deputy commander of Nonthaburi Provincial Police, said he received the autopsy results of all 3 children from the Institute of Forensic Science and they were found to have soot in their lungs. For the detailed results, of the autopsy they will have to wait 1-2 weeks, because identity must be checked against DNA of the parents to confirm identity.” https://www.thaipbs.or.th/news/content/340351

Singapore Airlines update 8.

This seems to be an EV, Porsche Taycan. The car was reported to be awaiting repairs, when a fire started in the battery. A picture of the other side of the vehicle, shows that the car raised on jacks. The question is was this done by responders to aid firefighting, which would be unusual, or was the car being jacked for repairs, in the wrong location and damaged the battery. Battery location on the Taycan shown below. Given the relative ease reported in extinguishing the fire, this would not appear to be a thermal runaway battery event.

This Thai news report video, shows the CCTV of victim climbing into the disused box.

Try this aviation accident site first. https://avherald.com/h?article=518e5d47&opt=0 Then maybe look at the details on this thread, but don’t let the real facts get in the way on a total false, in every detail, conspiracy! i notice you never posted a link the false claim.

Yes agree, I posted this in the other thread, but worth posting again here. Following this incident, Singapore Airlines have now issued a revised policy for cabin crews routines/services. “The first change is that cabin crew must now be seated and belted in whenever the seatbelt sign goes on, as opposed to previously where they would only suspend hot drinks service, but continue with all other activities unless the pilot deemed the turbulence severe enough for the crew to be seated as well. The second change is that the second meal is served at the mid-point, instead of the usual 2.5 hours before landing. The idea behind this is that the weather closer to Singapore can be more unpredictable, and because of the requirement that cabin crew are seated whenever the seatbelt sign goes on, there may not be sufficient time to complete the service otherwise“ https://milelion.com/2024/05/23/singapore-airlines-modifies-cabin-service-routines-following-turbulence-incident/ The airline said it’s taking a “more cautious approach” to managing turbulence, but the policy revision stops short of requiring all passengers to wear seatbelts throughout the flight.

You do know the plane was going to Singapore, it was not starting to make a descend into Bangkok. It hit turbulence, that lasted about 10 seconds, so easy to see why other flights never experienced the same problem, there is a lot of sky up there. After the turbulence event, the pilots made a controlled descend of 6000 feet, either to find better weather or on the instruction of ATC after declaring the emergency and asking to divert to BKK. This is nothing like the 737 Max 8 incidents, as that was a flight control system, which has never been fitted on the 777. I suggest avoid alternative truth websites, that start such conspiracy nonsense like this. Post a credible link to you theory.

Today, all remaining cylinders were removed from the building, under the supervision of the local authorities and fire service. An expert at the scene confirmed that the explosion was from an acetylene cylinder. https://www.thaipbs.or.th/news/content/340344

Fully agree about the poor zoning and lack of regulations, and awareness of safety issues is lacking. Please remember also that this risk can be found worldwide in any home garage or work shop, where someone does a bit of welding. This was a single cylinder that exploded and caused the damage and harm.

I would suggest 4 possible ways; 1. Was only collecting empty cylinder, taking to supplier and returning full cyinders. 2. Oxygen booster pump, decanting from larger cylinders to small. 3. Oxygen compressor, making the O2 from the air, but thst would seem unsuitable for this business, due to time taken and costs. 4. Large oxygen tank, liquid or gas, but there is no evidence in the pictures or videos of this. The only reasons I can think that a oxygen cylinder would explode like this, is long exposure to fire, very badly corroded/damaged cylinder or contamination with oil and grease.The second news report suggested it was an acetylene cylinder, which would seem a lot more feasible..

Fully agree, but the problem is the acetylene is one of the most widely used gases worldwide, for welding and cutting. Acetylene is highly flammable and unstable, with the cylinders having acetone added to help stabilise the gas. The cylinders need to be stored correctly, as it is sensitive to heat, including direct sun light, and mechanical shock, such as being dropped or hit. If exposed to heat or mechanical shock, the acetylene can start to decompose and self heat. Once decomposition has started it is near impossible to stop without taking emergency actions, and will continue until the high pressures produced will cause the cylinder to explode. Emergency responders procedures are to submerse the cylinder fully in water to cool it and evacuate the area, then checking the temperature of the cylinder, which is best done using TIC (thermal imaging camera), until is cooled down, showing the decomposition had been stopped.

Following this incident, Singapore Airlines have now issued a revised policy for cabin crews routines/services. “The first change is that cabin crew must now be seated and belted in whenever the seatbelt sign goes on, as opposed to previously where they would only suspend hot drinks service, but continue with all other activities unless the pilot deemed the turbulence severe enough for the crew to be seated as well. The second change — which may be particular to my flight — is that the second meal was served at the mid-point, instead of the usual 2.5 hours before landing. The idea behind this is that the weather closer to Singapore can be more unpredictable, and because of the requirement that cabin crew are seated whenever the seatbelt sign goes on, there may not be sufficient time to complete the service otherwise“ https://milelion.com/2024/05/23/singapore-airlines-modifies-cabin-service-routines-following-turbulence-incident/ The airline said it’s taking a “more cautious approach” to managing turbulence, but the policy revision stops short of requiring all passengers to wear seatbelts throughout the flight.

Fully agree, below is the ERG (emergency response book), for hazmat response. In the Uk procedures in the past was to evacuate the area for 24 hours if any acetylene cylinder had been exposed to fire. Dangerous and very volatile.

I was one of the first post that offered my apologies, but when you post false information I reply. It is not about agreeing to disagree, you are wrong. Go there on your bike and have a look. Yes move on, stop proving your as sharp as a marble.

The worker had his legs and other parts blown apart by the cylinder, he is seen just breathing as rescue workers attempt to help him, The picture below shows covered body parts, white sheets and where responders attempted to save him is under the orange umbrella It is now also been reported that this involved an acetylene cylinder, which seems more likely as acetylene is a lot more unstable and the area was closed down for most of the day. This had the potential for a lot more damage and think the neighbouring properties were lucky, as the building had no permission to operate and 71 cylinders were found. 37 oxygen, 16 carbon dioxide and 18 acetylene. https://www.thaipbs.or.th/news/content/340314 Apologies if anyone finds the pictures upsetting.

Here is the proof for you, This is the video of the rescue foundation ambulance, responding on the night. I have edited the video, so it starts at the Pussycat Bar and stops as it arrives at the scene, opposite the beer wholesaler, as I do not want to cause grief to anyone by showing the crash and casualty. So maybe before you start abusing me, you should look in the mirror. I provided all the evidence you need, but you lack the ability to understand. I suggested you drive that way and see for yourself. I look forward to you apology! RPReplay_Final1716517558.mov

Maybe, but surely there are many others, children, parents and temple visitors, who can confirm the details. The investigation is going to be difficult, but not impossible., given the small size of the building, construction and amount of damage. The pictures of the poor children, does indicate that there were unaware/asleep when the fire happened. Autopsy may also help to show how the fire developed, from the amount of smoke in the lungs and windpipe.

Really what reality are you on. My posts are based on the full facts and reviewing the responders videos from the night. This accident happened outside the beer wholesaler, the ambulance dash cam at the scene and the google maps image, clearly show the same signage. Images posted again to try to educate you. I know what I am talking about, you definitely do not.

Sorry my post was not aimed at your comment, which I fully agree with. Was just posting an analyses of some data posted in an aviation forum.

This picture of the aircraft’s flight data, clearly shows that media reports of a massive drop are wrong, the aircraft hit some short violent turbulence, which throw the unbelted passengers/crew around and then the aircraft did a controlled descent, from 37,000 feet to 31,000 feet, at a steady rate of about 2000 feet per minute, which is normal pilot technique to escape bad weather or maybe Air Traffic Control (ATC) required it after the pilot requested the divert to BKK. Turbulence will cause the height of the airplane to fluctuate +/- no more than 100-500 feet. The higher value being considered very severe.

Given the age of this aircraft, it is not clear what type of switch is fitted on this 777, but if fitted the automatic switch will have 3 settings; Seat belt sign switch ON: the “fasten seat belt” and the “return to seat” signs come on in the cabin. Seat belt sign switch AUTO the signs automatically come on in the cabin when; the slats are extended, or the landing gear is extended, or the link to the aircraft systems detects something like turbulence. Seat belt sign switch OFF, the signs are off. The switch is operated manually from the cockpit, but the sign can also be turned on from the cabin crew panel. Full details will be in the investigation report. This is taken from a previous report, into a similar turbulence event involving a Singapore Airlines aircraft, which recommended improving their turbulence management guidelines.

Singapore Airlines update 7